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!noseyparker!

!noseyparker!

Ensay said:
Thanks. A bizarre and worrying amendment then!

This probably isn't very PC to say, but I think it's more likely to affect straight/bisexual women and gay/bisexual men, as I personally think trans men are usually more convincing.

That said, I had a trans man contact me on a dating app and I could tell something wasn't quite right. But they didn't volunteer any information. I get that some would say they'd only tell if you met in person but I'd still rather know before that, as I would choose not to meet a trans man. Not to sound cruel, but I wouldn't be interested.
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I've really never understood the trans rhetoric that you need to wait to be comfortable with someone before "outing" yourself as trans. Usually being comfortable with someone means you're in your own home or theirs, not a public place, which is much more dangerous! Or, worse, I've seen trans people say they've had sex with people and not told them. So sure, either the person knew and was fine with it, didn't know and would not be fine with it, but WORST CASE SCENARIO the person finds out while you're vulnerable and hurts you or you hurt them. How is this safe??

A long time ago, when I was on dating apps, being able to say I was bi on the app led to a lot of annoying messages which I ignored BUT more importantly meant that I didn't have to have that conversation! I didn't have to "come out" - I was already out. The few people I met in person knew it upfront and had at least not put me out of their dating pool because of that (yes, it was a bit sad when I'd see cute, nerdy, lesbians on there who said no bisexuals in their profile but they had EVERY RIGHT to say that).
 
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katyazamo

holliebollie said:
@CEB1980 Yes I totally see your point with pronouns, if we use ‘she’ for some males then why not all? I didn’t think about the effect on non conforming women so thank you. I guess I mean if I knew this person, I would feel okay to use ‘she’ while talking about them with others. I didn’t say ‘she’ in my post though as I know that getting a boob job and having jawline surgery does not make one female.

Recently with the two trans females I’ve come across, I used ‘they’ for each. I felt like I would be judged at work if I stuck with ‘she’ but couldn’t use ‘he’ because… well, see all threads. Has anyone stuck to sex based pronouns and been called out or questioned at work? I think sticking to ‘they’ is safest for me, sadly.
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Probably doesn't help but I tend to approach it on a person by person basis. I know of classic AGP males, will never refer to them as "she" but within the workplace or around people I don't really know, I would use "they" or just their name. We've spoken about how you can never really be sure if someone is genuinely transsexual but i know a couple of people who I would say fit the description, so I don't really have an issue in using their pronouns. I wouldn't be deliberately cruel to someone who has lived their entire adult life as the opposite gender and is just trying to deal with life.
 
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holliebollie

holliebollie

I keep getting that Stonewall advert on FB too, I report it every time but it keeps popping back up. I did have a read through the comments first though… lots of ‘there are so many terfs and transphobes here in the comments’, I couldn’t see any so SW had obv been on a delete spree. If I comes up again I will comment before reporting and ask if anyone has an opinion on having a fully out pdo on the team 😑 I do wonder how many celebs will say anything about it? Emma Watson, now is your time to shine! gob.
 
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Tui

Tui

The True Venus ♀ said:
Not rights, privileges.


What did I just watch?💀 How you gonna attack someone first, get your a beat then scream that YOU'RE pressing charges? The entitlement of these people.
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Sorry but him bum shuffling around shouting “Come and git it” hahaha 😝
 
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NeverEnough

NeverEnough

Notworthy said:
His legs wok fine when it comes to kicking out!
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Yeah. I picked up on that as well. Shuffled forward using his legs as well. I suppose they could have been temporarily in the chair after surgery or an accident, we just don’t know. But if I was an investigator with the American equivalent of disability benefits I would be watching that with interest…
 
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Notworthy

Notworthy

NeverEnough said:
Yeah. I picked up on that as well. Shuffled forward using his legs as well. I suppose they could have been temporarily in the chair after surgery or an accident, we just don’t know. But if I was an investigator with the American equivalent of disability benefits I would be watching that with interest…
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If I see a physically disabled trans person, I automatically assume they are faking it. Our ex gym ****** was allegedly blind, white stick, black glasses etc when someone asked me if I realised he was blind, I retorted that he thought he was a woman so it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility that he might 'think' he is blind!
 
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Luisa18

Luisa18

Phil Anne Throw Pee said:
Which is about as logical as a man raping a woman but then being found not guilty because he doesn't identify as a rapist and/or he identifies as a woman and so he cannot be a rapist.
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This is how we win. Reframe the ridiculous argument with a more unfavourable response.
 
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maytoseptember

maytoseptember

⬆ I read that story yesterday I couldn’t believe what I was reading. Further proof that grape has been completely decriminalised.
 
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HockyRorror

HockyRorror

Notworthy said:
If I see a physically disabled trans person, I automatically assume they are faking it. Our ex gym ****** was allegedly blind, white stick, black glasses etc when someone asked me if I realised he was blind, I retorted that he thought he was a woman so it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility that he might 'think' he is blind!
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And Meatloaf (aka WETCH WETCH WETCH!) as well, apparently needing a Zimmer frame but able to run up to women when it suits

Also picked up on the homophobic slur in that video that seem to come so easily to these people, and yet they have the nerve to whine and cry when we LGB are trying to detach ourselves from them
 
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Northern northener

Northern northener

I need to get some thoughts off my chest hope you don't mind.

Mermaids and their supporters

Social media types and self- promoters latching onto the new in thing that will make them look good. Probably never looked beyond the front cover as to what they are associated with, probably don't care, definitely the narcissistic type

The blind faith people, not very bright, #bekind, let's make the world a better place. Genuinely good people but prone to cultism and group think. Also not looked beyond the front page

Staff, trustees, CEO, etc. Sociopathic vultures. All have something to gain, they are totally aware of what they are doing and do not care. What they gain from being involved in this so called charity I will leave to your imaginations.

Why are they not closed now? Even as a temporary thing whilst the ptb investigate child safe guarding. Do we need to rethink the CC. It's depressing as I trust no one anymore. 😟
 
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maytoseptember

maytoseptember

There is definitely, DEFINITELY a lot of self-diagnosed physical disability - and malingering - in the trans community. When in fact they mostly just have a constellation of mental health problems.
 
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HockyRorror

HockyRorror

Northern northener said:
I need to get some thoughts off my chest hope you don't mind.

Mermaids and their supporters

Social media types and self- promoters latching onto the new in thing that will make them look good. Probably never looked beyond the front cover as to what they are associated with, probably don't care, definitely the narcissistic type

The blind faith people, not very bright, #bekind, let's make the world a better place. Genuinely good people but prone to cultism and group think. Also not looked beyond the front page

Staff, trustees, CEO, etc. Sociopathic vultures. All have something to gain, they are totally aware of what they are doing and do not care. What they gain from being involved in this so called charity I will leave to your imaginations.

Why are they not closed now? Even as a temporary thing whilst the ptb investigate child safe guarding. Do we need to rethink the CC. It's depressing as I trust no one anymore. 😟
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The CC needs a complete overhaul. From Mermaids, to the NSPCC, to Kidz Incorporated, to Barnardos, to Oxfam, they’ve all been involved in all sorts of scandals, and even when it’s proven and published in the news, nothing seems to happen which begs the question: what is the point of the CC exactly?
 
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