Have you not seen the recent thing (mentioned in the thread here) at the National Theatre where a drag person spoke about children "opening their legs"? https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.htmlSurely they don't do a typical drag show that you'd get at a gay club, though?I thought they just read childrens stories, presumably those with a slant on acceptance.
I'd like to know more really, as I feel most of the coverage and opinions are so reactionary/polarised and rarely give the full facts. So a lot of people react to what they think is going on, based on tabloid headlines or tweets.
I'd support the protestors if this kind of thing was being forced on children without parental consent (for example, if they came into a school without telling parents), but if parents are choosing to take their children there and have to remain with them at all times - then banning such things makes me uncomfortable as it's removing freedom of choice. Maybe I'm a bit biased, as I'm gay and I'd be willing to bet good money that a lot of those protestors would baulk at parents who teach their children that being gay is OK as well.
I feel the same about Julie Bindel (and others) being no-platformed as well, as I think people should be allowed to have their say - given people have to choose to be at these events. Consistency is key. I doubt many parents would like strangers telling them they know what's best for their children more than they do anyway.
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Why do men in drag need to be accepted? they are paid entertainers who dress up while working, they don't strut about like that during the day. Better to have stories with characters that happen to be gay.Surely they don't do a typical drag show that you'd get at a gay club, though?
I'd like to know more really, as I feel most of the coverage and opinions are so reactionary/polarised and rarely give the full facts. So a lot of people react to what they think is going on, based on tabloid headlines or tweets.
I'd support the protestors if this kind of thing was being forced on children without parental consent (for example, if they came into a school without telling parents), but if parents are choosing to take their children there and have to remain with them at all times - then banning such things makes me uncomfortable as it's removing freedom of choice. Maybe I'm a bit biased, as I'm gay and I'd be willing to bet good money that a lot of those protestors would baulk at parents who teach their children that being gay is OK as well.
I feel the same about Julie Bindel (and others) being no-platformed as well, as I think people should be allowed to have their say - given people have to choose to be at these events. Consistency is key. I doubt many parents would like strangers telling them they know what's best for their children more than they do anyway.
My toes are honestly curling with embarrassment at a chambers being found to have discriminated against one of its members! The reputational damage that will do as well, I wouldn't want to be part of GCC right now
It’s the fact that Drag Queen Storytime is billed as “inclusive” that gets my back up. The drag Queen in the recent case is called “Aida H Dee.” I can’t imagine having to explain to a child who lives and struggles with ADHD why the “lady” telling them a story has a name that takes the piss out of their disability. So inclusive…Surely they don't do a typical drag show that you'd get at a gay club, though?
I'd like to know more really, as I feel most of the coverage and opinions are so reactionary/polarised and rarely give the full facts. So a lot of people react to what they think is going on, based on tabloid headlines or tweets.
I'd support the protestors if this kind of thing was being forced on children without parental consent (for example, if they came into a school without telling parents), but if parents are choosing to take their children there and have to remain with them at all times - then banning such things makes me uncomfortable as it's removing freedom of choice. Maybe I'm a bit biased, as I'm gay and I'd be willing to bet good money that a lot of those protestors would baulk at parents who teach their children that being gay is OK as well.
I feel the same about Julie Bindel (and others) being no-platformed as well, as I think people should be allowed to have their say - given people have to choose to be at these events. Consistency is key. I doubt many parents would like strangers telling them they know what's best for their children more than they do anyway.
Likewise, queens named stuff like Ana Bortion and Miss Carriage. Just inappropriate all round.
Drag is a subversive adult form of entertainment based on exaggerated stereotypes of women. Children need examples of LGB people who are going about their lives and being happy and successful, not that.
Yes I had heard about that and agreed with it being banned. But I think it's dangerous to assume all these events are identical.
Parents rightly complained about the content at that event, but if no one complains about this event at the library and the library itself is happy with the content, then who are the protestors to say it shouldn't happen?
I dunno, they just come across a bit like villagers with pitchforks to me - and I think it's wrong to stop something that all attendees are happy with.
I agree with the last sentence. For example, I'm hoping more footballers will follow the example of Jake Daniels - as I think positive role models like that are so important - especially in the macho world of sport that hasn't exactly been inclusive to LGB people in the past.
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The parents don't have the critical thinking skills to see that this is fundamentally wrong. They won't know about the AGP and queer subculture that underpins these drag acts and makes them offensive and unsuitable for children. Ignorant, woke parents and library staff don't know the full story. The protesters are serving a useful function by bringing these issues to people's attention.
I agree with the poster above who said that not wanting drag queens performing for children is no more exclusionary than not wanting a stripper or burlesque dancer performing for them. The issue isn't that these men are gay, it's that they are a form of adult entertainment. There are better ways to expose kids to positive images of LGB people (yes, including campy / effeminate gay men) without drag
Well a library thought this guy was the person to hire to encourage children to read, so critical thinking may be rather lacking in some places sadly. (Yes that is a fake pen dangling from his monkey suit, I guess we should be grateful that it is fake)
Someone on a Facebook thread recently tried to convince me that drag artists are a ‘minority’ group. Drag is neither a sexuality or a protected gender but a lot of people are acting like that’s the case.
I’d like to know what people who are promoting Drag Queens reading to children really hope to achieve by it and what the rationale behind it is. If its about the woolly term ‘inclusivity’ - inclusive of what? Drag is a form of comedy and entertainment so are they planning to have stand-up comedians, circus clowns or trapeze artists coming in as well?
If they want to be ‘inclusive’ in the broader sense are they going to have readings by disabled people, elderly people, people from ethnic minorities, firemen, emergency workers etc.?
It seems to me that a lot of these events are more about the adults and the parents and have bugger all to do with what will benefit the children. Personally I’d have hated it, I was scared of anyone in outlandish costumes and with masks or face paint.
I’d like to know what people who are promoting Drag Queens reading to children really hope to achieve by it and what the rationale behind it is. If its about the woolly term ‘inclusivity’ - inclusive of what? Drag is a form of comedy and entertainment so are they planning to have stand-up comedians, circus clowns or trapeze artists coming in as well?
If they want to be ‘inclusive’ in the broader sense are they going to have readings by disabled people, elderly people, people from ethnic minorities, firemen, emergency workers etc.?
It seems to me that a lot of these events are more about the adults and the parents and have bugger all to do with what will benefit the children. Personally I’d have hated it, I was scared of anyone in outlandish costumes and with masks or face paint.
I have idiopathic hirsutism, might as well join you in being a fella too!Obviously our high levels of testosterone makes us male
The TRAs on Twitter have interpreted all of the above as a criticism of Allison Bailey, because they all inhabit backwards-land permanently.
How do you feel about the drag queen who taught young children to twerk? Do you think that's ok?
Like I say, I just cannot agree with "it's my way or no way".
No. Do you?
This is so woke that it's painful
A lot of the people who turned up to protest the Drag Queen Story hour are bad people. I wouldn't want to be associated with them any more than I would want to take a young child to the event.
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Just saw this on Facebook. Note the missing words - no 'girl' no 'young woman'...
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Just saw this on Facebook. Note the missing words - no 'girl' no 'young woman'...
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They absolutely can't help but compare men in lipstick to black women, can they? I'm surprised they're able to function amidst the cognitive dissonance.
Why do drag queens WANT to read stories to children? I can’t quite fathom what would make someone who has performed and honed their craft in late night venues, in front of an adult (in some cases predominantly male) audience want to read stories to children in a library. What crossover skills do they possess that will make it beneficial to the children?
In the 80’s and early ‘90’s I used to go to a few drag nights in the Canal street area of Manchester with mates. I stopped going in the end because I was often one of only a few women in there and was quite distinctive looking so I obviously became a target. Lots of onstage comments about ‘there’s a smell of fish in ‘ere’. Fair enough, I guess, it wasn’t really FOR me and I didn’t belong. That aside, I don’t recall anything in any drag act I’ve ever seen that particularly lends itself to children's entertainment - so what’s it all about? And why?
In the 80’s and early ‘90’s I used to go to a few drag nights in the Canal street area of Manchester with mates. I stopped going in the end because I was often one of only a few women in there and was quite distinctive looking so I obviously became a target. Lots of onstage comments about ‘there’s a smell of fish in ‘ere’. Fair enough, I guess, it wasn’t really FOR me and I didn’t belong. That aside, I don’t recall anything in any drag act I’ve ever seen that particularly lends itself to children's entertainment - so what’s it all about? And why?
Exactly! Why has no one engaged their critical faculties to really get to the bottom of this? What’s in it for the drag queens? They’re hardly increasing their profile, it’s not like little kids will be turning up to their next gig at a gay bar or a bottomless brunch.
Why aren’t the libraries thinking “Hang on a minute, why can only drag queens promote diversity to kids, instead of a nice Caribbean grandma or a middle aged gay uncle?”
Drag acts reading to kids in libraries is just one of many ways some men are chipping away at our boundaries. Little by little, the natural horror of men being sexual around children will be inched away until some of the 'minor attracted people' (ie. raging pedalos) are accepted. These are joined by a group of men that hate women to make quite a formidable bunch.
Aided and abetted by the handmaids of course.
Aided and abetted by the handmaids of course.
This man is a bleeping psychopath
The women fawning over transwomen has got me thinking recently.
I am on quite a few Facebook groups for cross stich. Someone posted their first freehand design the other day. And to say it was tit is an understatement. It was a few words stitched with no consistency to the size or shape and a few random squares of colour all over the place. A child could do better.
Anyway, the comments full of women saying how wonderful it was!!!
I, like many, was bought up on "if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything at all" but that doesn't mean you HAVE to say anything at all. Instead of lying to this person saying it's fabulous etc. just scroll past without commenting!!!
Same as with TiMs if more women just said nothing to them rather than fawning all over them and saying how lovely their skirt is etc. It might make some of them crawl back in their holes and keep their fetish to themselves
I am on quite a few Facebook groups for cross stich. Someone posted their first freehand design the other day. And to say it was tit is an understatement. It was a few words stitched with no consistency to the size or shape and a few random squares of colour all over the place. A child could do better.
Anyway, the comments full of women saying how wonderful it was!!!
I, like many, was bought up on "if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything at all" but that doesn't mean you HAVE to say anything at all. Instead of lying to this person saying it's fabulous etc. just scroll past without commenting!!!
Same as with TiMs if more women just said nothing to them rather than fawning all over them and saying how lovely their skirt is etc. It might make some of them crawl back in their holes and keep their fetish to themselves
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