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All I see when I look at this is incel

Roughly a year ago I went down the Amy Challenor (or how ever it’s spelt) rabbit hole via Reddit.

Up until that point I genuinely hadn’t realised how perverted and incideous it all was.

Then they went full on out, proud, loud, we can’t have you on our terms so we will take over on our terms.

Like all of you in here I genuinely couldn’t care less about orientation, or how someone presents.

Just stop trying to gaslight women and some men into accepting your kink makes us abnormal for not playing along.

Fetishes have been well known since before the bloody Romans.

The poor boys who became castrati didn’t have a choice.

This is a mental illness as everyone is saying.

Who is making money out of this? Someone is, and until those shadows in the healthcare system globally are revealed we are struggling although I’m heartened reading how the groundswell of the silent majority who have had enough are starting to speak out.

Back to lurking 😂
 
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Linehan doesn't always get things right, and I think he has a character where he gets very passionate about things. I can see why the 'TRA's took my wife away' line looks off but basically he explains in the article about how they tried to get to her because bullying him didn't work enough.
His former brother in law isn’t a fan of his
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I had to unsubscribe from him, too many vitriolic emails.
What were his emails that made them vitriolic?
 
Putting Stonewall under scrutiny? I think I might have to donate.



Interested to see the people shouting in the comments that they’re donating to Stonewall instead. Er, OK then?
 
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I know that when I first realised the emperor had no clothes that I became very passionate, very quickly, and I couldn't understand why other people weren't also realising the issues at hand. Luckily I managed to reign it in, but I think that Linehan was stuck in that stage for a long while, especially when he was still on Twitter.

He's calmed down in recent years, and is better than he used to be at letting women speak, especially on The Mess We're In.
 
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Can anyone better informed than me explain why Alison Bailey needs quite so much money for a court case? I already donated to the first crowdfunder - this is now setting my grift-dar pinging.
 
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There was a couple of TWAW comments before this as well, soI wasn’t even surprised but that unfair comment gave me a pause…like how can they even say something like that and believe it.
I used to think this before I got peaked. My reasoning was, the hormone treatment would make them weaker than other men so it wouldn't be fair to make them compete in the men's category, and ideally there would be a transgender category but there weren't enough trans athletes to make that feasible, so the women's was the best available option. I don't remember how I squared that with fairness to female athletes as this is going back a few years, but I think I didn't realise just how much of a physical advantage they still had even with lower testosterone than other men, nor how little commitment was actually required to be classed as transgender.

You have to remember as well that the people who hold these views, at least the ones without an agenda, genuinely believe that being trans is a fundamental part of people's identity that they have no control over. Imagine if, say, male Native American athletes naturally had a huge drop in testosterone levels in their early 20s, which meant they suddenly became much weaker than men of other races. There aren't enough Native American athletes to have their own league, so what do you do? Say "guess people of your race can't compete professionally anymore, sucks to be you"? Put them in the women's category when they reach the relevant age, even though on average they're still stronger than women? There isn't really a good solution. Obviously having hormone treatment is a choice even if people are born trans, but if you truly believe in the innate gender identity stuff, expecting people not to have it is like the equivalent of expecting people to completely renounce their ethnicity and live as a different race to the one they really are - it would be a huge thing to ask of people just to allow them to continue as professional sports people, so also not an ideal solution.

These aren't my views anymore btw, just trying to explain where I think the non-agenda-driven people who say these things are coming from. I think it's a combination of ignorance of the facts and wanting easy answers to complicated problems.
 
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Did anyone see this tweet other day? Emily Bridges courting sympathy and proving her laydee credentials with a heavily made up, heavily filtered photo… when statements like this in sports are never accompanied by photos.

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What this makes me think of is a toddler boy who goes and grabs his friends (little girls) toy and shouts ‘MINE!’ And the parents get embarrassed and say don’t be silly darling, that’s not yours, give it back. The kid persists and stamps his little feet. Other adults around get a bit panicky and just want the kid to stop shouting so they say oh let him have it! It’s fine! Even though it’s not fine. He’s grabbed a toy that’s not his and he’s not giving it back and everyone just relents and lets him.

Emily Bridges is that toddler boy stamping his little feet. And those adults around him are happy to let him take that girls toy and not give it back. Simply because he WANTS it, not because it is his.

Just thought I’d share my little analogy with you all (I might have had a wine but it makes sense to me).
 
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But of course they are the kind and tolerant ones.

People reported this and Twitter said it didn’t go against any guidelines. I’m the past few days I’ve reported a incel saying he wanted to kill women but wouldn’t and a very offensive anti semitic image. Both times Twitter said it didn’t go against their guidelines.
 
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People reported this and Twitter said it didn’t go against any guidelines. I’m the past few days I’ve reported a incel saying he wanted to kill women but wouldn’t and a very offensive anti semitic image. Both times Twitter said it didn’t go against their guidelines.
But if you tweeted trans women are trans women you’d have the police at your door and lose your job.
 
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Can anyone better informed than me explain why Alison Bailey needs quite so much money for a court case? I already donated to the first crowdfunder - this is now setting my grift-dar pinging.
Because the hearing is scheduled for 20 working days, with more than 30 witnesses being called, and as she's a criminal barrister she needs to have an employment specialist representing her, it's not her area of expertise. She has the same team as Maya Forstater - Ben Cooper and Anya Palmer - who are brilliant, but not cheap. Stonewall is trying to make this go away by making it too expensive for her to continue the case, Bristol University is doing the same thing to Raquel Rosario Sanchez, who is having to find another £75,000 in 5 days because the university has introduced a substantial piece of late evidence.
 
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I don’t know exactly, I read an article of his and it asked me to subscribe to his newsletter. Had a quick search of my emails - look, 5 in one day. Just seemed a bit intense / unhinged.
That’s why I unsubscribed ages ago. It was as though every time he had really strong feelings he couldn’t control, out would come another rant. It got really draining.
 
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Is it because I’m middle-aged that I think the whole world has gone mad. I believe that being trans is something a person doesn’t have control over, but to me a trans woman is a trans woman, seems beyond debate to me that they are not a biological woman.
Maybe I’m one of those “TERFs” because I’m so angry. I’m angry at the “pregnant people”, and trans men in women’s sports. Women’s rights were hard fought for why are we prepared to give them up so easily.
 
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Is it because I’m middle-aged that I think the whole world has gone mad. I believe that being trans is something a person doesn’t have control over, but to me a trans woman is a trans woman, seems beyond debate to me that they are not a biological woman.
Maybe I’m one of those “TERFs” because I’m so angry. I’m angry at the “pregnant people”, and trans men in women’s sports. Women’s rights were hard fought for why are we prepared to give them up so easily.
I’m with ya. Seriously question my own sanity sometimes. Everything in this world has gone mad. Every article is like a permanent April fools. Thing is, I’d say a high percentage of the people saying all this TWAW crap do not actually believe it themselves. They are saying it because they are worried they’ll be judged badly if they go against this mantra. It’s a cult. I was watching a programme about religion the other day and there were so many parallels from biblical times. Being burned at the stake kind of thing. That’s what’s happening. If you go against the mantra you are thrown to the lions and not even seen as human anymore (see JKR). It’s absolutely insane.
 
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People reported this and Twitter said it didn’t go against any guidelines. I’m the past few days I’ve reported a incel saying he wanted to kill women but wouldn’t and a very offensive anti semitic image. Both times Twitter said it didn’t go against their guidelines.
Twitter really is a cesspool. People report 'MAP' (aka Paedophilic) comments all the time, and Twitter says it doesn't go against their guidelines because they're talking about / drawing hypothetical children
 
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