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They say we are literally killing trans people etc etc. I absolutely want no trans person to die. Just as I don't generally wish death on men or on right-wingers or on any other demographic with which I have disagreements. They on the other hand seem full of the most violent and women-hating rhetoric.
No one is killing TiM's. 0 murdered in almost 4 years, whereas women are murdered at a rate of 3-4 per week. They talk tit, as all men do.
 
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It is a complete Anti-Women Hate Movement and nothing more.

Images from today. Why are the police not investigating these threats? Could you imagine women walking round with a TiM being hung on her t-shirt? Or kill trans - woman power - being graffitied on windows?

They just want to pee? USE THE BLOODY MEN'S!

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God, the emphasis on the sexually defining elements of a woman in the hanging picture: breast and fan sketched out in white, looking like a sad face, now I look at it again and extra emphasis on feet, not in shoes, which is where women's feet belong, of course, but the depicted woman is worthless, it says everything they hate about us. Even the dots in the lettering look like nipples. The TRAs really hate women, don't they?
 
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what the duck is wrong with Labour? They are so out of touch with the public, no wonder they unelectable. They pander all the bloody time, but ignore their core voters.
 
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Was so happy to see an advert from the Scottish government urging pregnant women to get vaccinated. There was no shying away from the use of the word women. Shame they couldn’t do the same with the one about period shaming though. That’s still annoying me!
I read a query on a different forum designed for teachers who have questions about their job.. The poster questioned when there would be legislation around maternity and paternity leave for trans people.... They want paternity leave for transmen (who would potentially be carrying the baby) and maternity leave for transwomen (who won't carry the baby). It was very frustrating to read. Totally undervalues a woman and the stress their body goes through during pregnancy, as the leave would not be connected to whether or not they carried a child, just what they identify as. An absolute joke!

I use to work in a nursery. We had a baby who was 6months at the time and their parents wanted them to be non- binary. We had to refer to them as them and were not allowed to mention their gender at all. The parents would always say "it's up to them to choose their gender when they are old enough". I feel this is taking it too far. I have no problems with trans and am very much, live and let live.
However this attitude is going to cause so many issues and confusion for the child. I often think about them and wonder how they are navigating school life.
This is what I don't understand. This is just pushing old generation stereotypes we've fought hard to get rid. Will the child at 7 or 8 be like "OK well I like pink and dolls so I must be a girl" or "I like football so I must be a boy". What an absolute joke! It's gone to far!!!
 
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If we had a general election tomorrow I wouldn't know who to vote for. I can't in good conscience vote Labour given their stance on this issue but I'm not sure anyone else is a viable alternative.
 
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If we had a general election tomorrow I wouldn't know who to vote for. I can't in good conscience vote Labour given their stance on this issue but I'm not sure anyone else is a viable alternative.
I've been a life long Labour voter but I cannot vote to be erased.
Tory it would have to be and I hate Boris but at least they know what a woman is.
I could not vote for any party wishing to erase the sex class of women by forcing women to accept men.
 
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It is a complete Anti-Women Hate Movement and nothing more.

Images from today. Why are the police not investigating these threats? Could you imagine women walking round with a TiM being hung on her t-shirt? Or kill trans - woman power - being graffitied on windows?

They just want to pee? USE THE BLOODY MEN'S!

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A bit off topic but still related there was an investigation and arrests when football fans of the team I support hung effigies with the opposing teams scarfs on them. However when its woman its all fine sadly.

They say we are literally killing trans people etc etc. I absolutely want no trans person to die. Just as I don't generally wish death on men or on right-wingers or on any other demographic with which I have disagreements. They on the other hand seem full of the most violent and women-hating rhetoric.
Doing a rit job of it as no trans person has been killed for 3-4 years in the UK. That sentence was complete irony before any TRA;s get on their high horse.
 
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I've been a life long Labour voter but I cannot vote to be erased.
Tory it would have to be and I hate Boris but at least they know what a woman is.
I could not vote for any party wishing to erase the sex class of women by forcing women to accept men.
This. There's something very smarmy about Starmer. A party that erases women and safety can Eff Off with any expectation of my vote. The Tories aren't great either so who the eff do we vote for? Definitely not Labour.
 
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This. There's something very smarmy about Starmer. A party that erases women and safety can Eff Off with any expectation of my vote. The Tories aren't great either so who the eff do we vote for? Definitely not Labour.
Starmer just agrees with whoever is in front of him at the time. When he's being questioned on TV he's like the boggart in Harry Potter when it gets confused and doesn't know what to turn into because then he's trying to placate everyone.

The Labour Party has gone from one leader who had principles that were so inflexible he was incapable of compromise or practicality to someone who is constantly shape shifting.
 
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Starmer just agrees with whoever is in front of him at the time. When he's being questioned on TV he's like the boggart in Harry Potter when it gets confused and doesn't know what to turn into because then he's trying to placate everyone.

The Labour Party has gone from one leader who had principles that were so inflexible he was incapable of compromise or practicality to someone who is constantly shape shifting.
The Boggart is a perfect analogy. 😂 The guy has no backbone. As terribly as Boris and the government has done Starmer doesn't seem to have anything to bring to the table instead. A man who doesn't know that sex is real should not be trusted with leading the country. Come next election we need new strong candidates from all parties so that the public actually get a proper choice rather than "the least bad option". 😬 It's very much us being between a rock and a hard place ☹ There's corruption on one side and lunacy science denialism on the other. What a choice ☹

We need more women (and men) to come out to speak like JKR. She shouldn't have to fight on her own. The celebs of this country need to break out of their fear of cancellation and advocate for sex based rights and rip the culture of cancellation to shreds. Talks show hosts, podcasts, radio presenters etc need to be less scared of platforming speakers who don't toe the Stonewall TRA line. Womens Hour needs to be pro-women again. TV show host need to stop pandering to the "stunning and brave" movement.
 
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I think we’re all politically adrift at the moment. I’m in Scotland and have voted SNP for years but feel so let down by Nicola Sturgeon over all the gender stuff. I thought she was on the side of women. I was wrong.

Just been thinking about non binary (females) and how self hating you must have to be to pretend you are not what you body tells you are. I feel like with trans there is gender dysphoria, a real condition that requires therapy and in some cases transition to ease the mental distress. But females who say they are neither female or male…what?? You don’t want to be treated like a female, because of sexism and misogyny. I’m a woman and I can’t opt out of these things. No matter if I call myself they/them. It just feels like such a cop out and a betrayal to all women that they would think they are so much better than the rest of us and deserve to be treated differently because you wear a beanie hat everywhere and insist on they/them pronouns?? 🤔🤔

Don’t get me started on the bearded hipster men who identify as they/them. Ugh.
 
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I think we’re all politically adrift at the moment. I’m in Scotland and have voted SNP for years but feel so let down by Nicola Sturgeon over all the gender stuff. I thought she was on the side of women. I was wrong.

Just been thinking about non binary (females) and how self hating you must have to be to pretend you are not what you body tells you are. I feel like with trans there is gender dysphoria, a real condition that requires therapy and in some cases transition to ease the mental distress. But females who say they are neither female or male…what?? You don’t want to be treated like a female, because of sexism and misogyny. I’m a woman and I can’t opt out of these things. No matter if I call myself they/them. It just feels like such a cop out and a betrayal to all women that they would think they are so much better than the rest of us and deserve to be treated differently because you wear a beanie hat everywhere and insist on they/them pronouns?? 🤔🤔
I agree. I can imagine younger girls think identify ing as nonbinary might help them try to disassociate from trauma and societal pressures, but then you surely end up disassociating yourself from your body? Many of us have bodies that let us down from various conditions and illnesses and vulnerabilities but we cannot deny our bodies, because we are in them. They are us, whether we like them or not, whether we look after them or not. I worry about the mental health of "non binary" people because surely they are setting themselves up for issues in future.
 
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Instead of asking Kier Starmer, David Lanny etc to define a woman, maybe they should ask them to define what a man is.
 
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I've been a life long Labour voter but I cannot vote to be erased.
Tory it would have to be and I hate Boris but at least they know what a woman is.
I could not vote for any party wishing to erase the sex class of women by forcing women to accept men.
This is the irony of Labour being the supposed party of the people and the Tories being for certain types.
Love them or loathe them the Tories have produced the only female prime ministers we have ever had, one of whom really was ahead of her time in terms of women being in leadership jobs (whatever one thinks of her), AND the only ethnic minority prime minister (going back a looooong time but Benjamin Disraeli was very obviously and proudly an ethnic Jew in Victorian times when anti-semitism was far more heightened than today).
I used to vote Green but now will only vote strategically, and if that means Tories so be it, to make sure women are not erased because it is so fundamental, and we will only realise how fundamental if we give away our existence to men.
 
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what the duck is wrong with Labour? They are so out of touch with the public, no wonder they unelectable. They pander all the bloody time, but ignore their core voters.
Couldn’t agree more. Does he honestly think the average labour voter on the street gives a tit about any of this? They’re worried about fuel prices, pensions, rises in cost of living, the list goes on. So out of touch!
 
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This. There's something very smarmy about Starmer. A party that erases women and safety can Eff Off with any expectation of my vote. The Tories aren't great either so who the eff do we vote for? Definitely not Labour.
All the others are captured. So Tory it is. I'd rather send the message that woman can't be erased than, abstain (which makes us complicit in the outcome) or vote for a party who lives in fantasy land.
 
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All the others are captured. So Tory it is. I'd rather send the message that woman can't be erased than, abstain (which makes us complicit in the outcome) or vote for a party who lives in fantasy land.
I couldn't vote tory except as a protest vote in a safe seat. I deplore everything else about them, especially as they are with their current leader.

I don't know what I'll do in the next election. Spoil my ballot with an adult human female sticker?



A gay man is pleased he wasn't born in a western country as he has avoided being medically fixed.
 
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