Gender Discussion #19

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Saw this on woke misogyny on Twitter. I hope it’s fake but it sounds very real. It’s so sad.
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Edited to add that I googled their Reddit username and got this: https://www.reddit.com/u/UselessAltThing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It could be trolling but also if someone gets this surgery at 19 they could very easily be massively messed up in the head. Even so, I believe this surgery is done in the US (not sure if here) and women who have been sexually assaulted could very well go down this path.
Some on this Reddit are suss but it’s scary how many people are happy about this?
But apparently sex and gender are not the same thing? If that were true then why the need to butcher their bodies like this?
 
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I was watching a game show called The Tournament earlier and there was a TIM on there. They ended up winning and were obviously very intelligent so good for them. But they sounded and looked like a bloke. I struggle to pretend that referring to someone who looks and sounds like a man as ‘she’ is in any way normal. Maybe I’m a terrible person.
 
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I was watching a game show called The Tournament earlier and there was a TIM on there. They ended up winning and were obviously very intelligent so good for them. But they sounded and looked like a bloke. I struggle to pretend that referring to someone who looks and sounds like a man as ‘she’ is in any way normal. Maybe I’m a terrible person.
it was the same in that pottery show on channel 4
 
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I don’t believe this is a joke. Even if I agreed with this being taught, how bloody awkward would it be to watch porn in class with everyone? And then study it? Do you cite porn hub? Do you need to screenshot a threesome?
 
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I don’t believe this is a joke. Even if I agreed with this being taught, how bloody awkward would it be to watch porn in class with everyone? And then study it? Do you cite porn hub? Do you need to screenshot a threesome?
Imagine applying for an office job and telling them you majored in porn studies
 
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There's a young Black American dancer who was taking up Irish dancing and is absolutely brilliant at it. Do I see this as 'cultural appropriation' and an outrage and an affront? No I think it's absolutely brilliant and is appreciation more than anything. Cultural appropriation seems like another way of keeping people divided and telling them they can't do this or that

Cultures evolve and grow. I can understand some cases where cultural appropriation might apply but in a lot of cases it's an overused term
I said this on the unpopular opinions thread 😀😀😀

My heritage is Scots/Irish. I loved the lassie with Irish Dancing and loads of folk wear a kilt.
 
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There's a young Black American dancer who was taking up Irish dancing and is absolutely brilliant at it. Do I see this as 'cultural appropriation' and an outrage and an affront? No I think it's absolutely brilliant and is appreciation more than anything. Cultural appropriation seems like another way of keeping people divided and telling them they can't do this or that

Cultures evolve and grow. I can understand some cases where cultural appropriation might apply but in a lot of cases it's an overused term
Thank you I totally agree and got shot down on another thread here for saying cultural appropration is absolute balls. It's just claiming bleeping victimhood. Why do people want to be victims these days?

Why should a black person care if a white person has a cornrow hairstyle? Or dresses in a certain way? Apparently it's called 'black fishing' now 🙄 I always thought imitation was a form of flattery.
Live and let live. I couldn't care less what other people wear it's all personal choice.
 
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I went to West Side Story at the cinema, spoilers ahead:

The trans character's major scene is when the Jets have been taken to the police station to be questioned about their plan to fight the Sharks. The police sit the male Jets on a bench and Anybodys on another bench with a random woman. One of the Jets teases her about being "a dickless wonder" and treated as a female suspect, she throws a tantrum and starts screaming that she isn't a girl. Then she attacks the cops and runs away, they chase after her leaving the other Jets alone in the station to sing the "Officer Krupke" number (it's moved to earlier in the film like the original, in the stage show it's in Act 2.) Well at least throwing a tantrum is consistent with TRA behaviour.

She then gets a minor moment late in the movie where her previous tormentor is all "thanks, buddy boy" when she goes to watch for police - this scene is actually as it is in the stage version but in that, of course, she's being accepted as a Jet despite being a girl. Rather than suggesting she has to be a boy to fit in. She therefore isn't around when the others attempt to grape Anita, instead they have someone's girlfriend there crying and screaming over it. I think the movie was very good in many ways, but that wasn't one of them. Similarly, before it was released there was much talk about including a Black character. Well he does exist - in one scene, as a gangster who sells the Jets a gun. This undermines the several lines of dialogue about Puerto Rican people being unfairly assumed to be criminals because of their skin colour! Do the movie's creative team think that gender non-conforming women did not exist in the 1950s?
 
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Thank you I totally agree and got shot down on another thread here for saying cultural appropration is absolute balls. It's just claiming bleeping victimhood. Why do people want to be victims these days?

Why should a black person care if a white person has a cornrow hairstyle? Or dresses in a certain way? Apparently it's called 'black fishing' now 🙄 I always thought imitation was a form of flattery.
Live and let live. I couldn't care less what other people wear it's all personal choice.
I think cultural appropriation is real but the debate gets derailed too much by irritable white people saying “I can’t TAN or PLAIT MY HAIR now?” It’s really not about that and it’s wilfully obtuse to say that it is.

One good example is the Hindu festival of Holi, one of the customs being powder paint being thrown around to celebrate the arrival of Spring, which has been appropriated by white people into music festivals and fun runs, with absolutely zero concern around how distasteful it is to demean a religion like that (and I’m an atheist who thinks all religions are nonsense). I just can’t imagine any other religious festival being appropriated in that way.

Black fishing is real too and Jesy Nelson, Ariana Grande etc are guilty as charged, but that’s not my area of expertise as a 40yo white woman so I won’t get into it 😄
 
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Had a look on the Prostate cancer UK page on Instagram and not one mention of ‘people with prostates’. Everything is men.

Contrast that with a local council page that is advertising free period products on social media. Not one mention of women or girls. It’s for ‘people who menstruate’.

Tell me again we’re not being erased.
 
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Don't really know this belongs here or the unpopular opinion thread but Fairytale of New York has been amended to drop a homophobic term. But it still contains a derogatory term for women and nobody gives a host!!!
 
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‘Gender affirming surgery’
But… I thought women could have penises now?
orrrrrr are you still going to go on the beg for strangers to donate via gofundme for your ‘essential surgery’?
seriously, which one is it?
 
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I think cultural appropriation is real but the debate gets derailed too much by irritable white people saying “I can’t TAN or PLAIT MY HAIR now?” It’s really not about that and it’s wilfully obtuse to say that it is.

One good example is the Hindu festival of Holi, one of the customs being powder paint being thrown around to celebrate the arrival of Spring, which has been appropriated by white people into music festivals and fun runs, with absolutely zero concern around how distasteful it is to demean a religion like that (and I’m an atheist who thinks all religions are nonsense). I just can’t imagine any other religious festival being appropriated in that way.

Black fishing is real too and Jesy Nelson, Ariana Grande etc are guilty as charged, but that’s not my area of expertise as a 40yo white woman so I won’t get into it 😄
The whole thing of practically apologising for being white is very tiresome

I hate these 'rules'. Cultural appropriation had a specific definition in a specific context. It now has become virtually meaningless, because cooking spaghetti as a Brit would be cultural appropriation by this new (and insane) definition.

Clothes are clothes. Let people wear what they want. It's obvious when it's disrespectful. I'm from an area that has a very distinctive national dress. It's often worn as a costume over here in the UK. No one cares, because no one feels worried about offending Germans. I don't care much either. It's very easy for me to see when it's worn as a piss-take and is an easy signal for me to avoid those people. I've also seen hen parties or similar have a good old time dressing up in the dresses and I say, go for it.

I know there's an argument about profiting from cultures (when companies cheaply produce stuff that has value in a certain culture, etc.), but I honestly think that's a problem caused by capitalism. If you wanted to wear my traditional dress bought from a traditional dressmaker or company, it would easily set you back hundreds of pounds. Get a horrible knock-off made of polyester from China and it's #20.

Ultimately, all of this leads to more division. I have various traditional outfits from countries I have no familial ties to, that were given to me by people I worked with in those countries. I couldn't wear them now here, because I'd get attacked for it by a bunch of 'right-on' friends I have. It's so beyond stupid. We should be happy to share our cultures.
@maytoseptember this is an excellent post and sums up the problem with 'cultural appropriation' and it's overuse. So it's not just 'irritable white people'
 
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What's really chilling about that story is thag she's being cancelled for views expressed in her own home
 
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The way the dancers say they never wanted to cancel Rosie….! Of course they did! Rosie’s apology letter wasn’t enough of course, they expected her grovel and repent for her “transphobic views”. It’s never enough with these people.
 
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