Gender Discussion #19

[Ekathrina]

It’s baffling to me that people are quite willing to say they find practices like breast ‘ironing’ and the various forms of female genital mutilation to be horrifyingly barbaric and misogynistic when carried out in other cultures but virtually identical practices are gender affirming and life saving when carried out on someone with severe dysphoria or mental illness in a ‘civilised’ country.

 

[Ispyabudgetbeanblogger]

But we are a capitalist country and we don’t have these weird obsession with sexualising dolls like this. I mean I hope we don’t have a factory that produces these.

Our men buy them. Our men go over to South East Asia to rape women and girls. We don't produce this stuff here because there'd be an outcry, but we create the demand. No different from outsourcing all the other shit we outsource (our mountains of rubbish, our desire for cheap clothes and toys, etc).

China isn't blameless but neither is the West.

 

[Satisfying Click]

BBC's 100 women of 2021 includes a trans-identified male, as per previous years.

The whole point of these lists is to lift up and recognise women who are often overlooked because of their biological sex. How about Kathleen Stock, or JK Rowling for the torrential abuse and threats they received? A woman lost out on recognition because of this.

I of course complained, please consider doing the same. They may have left Stonewall, but it will take years to untangle themselves from its grip.

 

[Vanelope]

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Ukrainian surrogacy clinic advertising services for black Friday

Link: https://4w.pub/ukrainian-surrogacy-black-friday/

There was just a story in BBC about an Italian couple who bought a surrogate baby but for some reason left the newborn girl with a nanny and left the country and never returned. The nanny cared for the baby for 10 months then worried she would be in trouble contacted the authorities. The parents unbelievably said they didn’t want the child but the Italian govt has decreed the baby should be moved to Italy and placed in foster care there. So the nanny has had to give her up. The volunteer who took her to Italy said they were worried about what they would find but she had been very well cared for. So this baby has lost her birth mother, her adoptive parents and her first foster mother because these selfish arseholes tried to buy a baby and changed their mind.

Due to covid parents have not been able to retrieve their children so there are dozens waiting in centres. It’s Romanian orphanages again but to make money. I’m so upset about this. They are children for sale.

 

[witchofwestbyfleet]

I belong to a community group for women of my ethnic background and they have been circulating an invitation to a party for "queer" people from our culture. (Note: we're not hosting the party, the invitation came from someone else.) The flyer contained a list of rules which included "don't assume pronouns: if someone doesn't volunteer their pronouns, just use their name." It's supposed to be a party. You are there to have fun not worry about being penalised over someone's pronouns.

There were also rules about what you could and could not do if you are "white-adjacent" i.e. mixed white or deemed to look too white. That would include me as I am half-white, so basically I wouldn't be allowed to wear things from my own culture that I was born into and raised in. But yeah, it doesn't sound like much of a party. I don't think I'll be going ...

 

[SqualorVictoria]

We will look back on this time in years to come with astonishment "Hey, remember when it was considered hate speech to say women don't have penises? And remember how that was enabled by both vile TRAs and wishy washy be kind wannabe progressive types? Insane, wasn't it!"

 

[2020two]

Had to listen to my senior at work banging on about how not being attracted to trans people is valid - but still transphobic and we should take a look at our internal biases. I'm sorry but most trans people never have full surgery and if you don't like cock you don't like cock? Do they expect people to just ignore genitalia or do they seriously think we have to start acting like a penis is a vagina and vice versa.

I really don't understand the audacity of people thinking they have a right to be dated by people.

 

[CariettaWhite]

I’ve found my people!

*opens arms wide and revolves slowly, beaming happily*

 

[2020two]

My work senior who forced us all to do the woke pronouns thing just got my trans colleagues pronouns wrong while talking about them in a Zoom meeting. I'm internally screaming

 

[judgejohndeed]

What I find really horrid about surrogacy is that it's another topic like general trans stuff where the power of biology is wilfully ignored. Everything in a birthing woman's body wants her to bond with and care for her baby once he/she has arrived. Even if it's not mentally traumatic for some women to have their babies immediately taken away at birth, it is physically traumatic. But as with sex, this biological fact is now viewed as some kind of mild inconvenience. This is also why I regard some of English/Welsh family law with intense disgust. I completely understand the need to put the best interests of a baby or child first, but we do absolutely nothing here to stop single mothers getting into a cycle of having several babies, all of which are removed. They're not considering the trauma that causes to often young and vulnerable women when they do this. I'd like to see some redirection of funds away from things like paying foster carers essentially a salary to look after children in care, towards some kind of support for mothers who need help. They're not all mad or bad, some of them only just fall short of the threshold to parent and there just aren't the resources in place to assist them to parent. It's cheaper and easier to just take the babies away and give them to someone else, which I think is draconian and in most cases, just wrong for both the baby and the parent. I don't see how the law can divorce child welfare from mother welfare in such a cold way either, I think it's more likely to be symbiotic in a lot of cases.

 

[jolly_parsley]

Men who trans when they have a wife and or kids are the ultimate narcissistic bastards. They don't care about the impact on their wife or children just their own right to be who they want.

One of my friends has a dad who's transitioned to a woman and when I found out I just felt so bad for my friend and his sibling and mum. Like that's their whole lives that have just been turned upside down. I don't know how they manage to cope to be honest. The parents are still together, somehow.

I've only seen his dad once since the transition and it was just so uncomfortable and they complimented my handbag and then were like "We can never have too many handbags, can we?" and it just felt like such stereotyping of women (even though I am one who does love a good handbag, but like there's more to being a woman than that). Just was insanely uncomfortable and awkward.

 

[nothanksbabes]

It's incomprehensible. And people will argue for disgusting sex offenders like him to be in women's prisons, and somehow we're the bad guys for questioning it?!

The fact that so many people think progressive, left wing women like me are all suddenly "bigots" on this issue, rather than there being something seriously fucking wrong, is shocking.

 

[Cocobaby09]

I finally received a reply from Pauline McNeill MSP (Labour) on GRA reform. I've included my reply.

 

[weeweegie]

You know what I’ve been noticing? The way some women embrace trans women and are full of compliments like oh you look stunning and I love your hair etc. You be almost never see men embracing trans men? It’s like there’s this pressure for women to welcome trans women in to the sisterhood but men just do not seem to look at trans men the same. I’m probably not making sense but just an observation. Men seem to be let off the hook too, no one is pressuring them to let trans men be ‘one of the lads’.

 

[appleskin]

I think what is worrying is that something (or numerous really serious events) in which women/children are killed/harmed by things like a man being able to supervise girl guide groups etc for anything to be done to reverse this madness. It is a ticking time bomb

There needs to be a wake up on kids needing their childhood.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Translation: we bullied and tormented this woman for months and tried to destroy her career but we should be allowed to do that in private!

 

[petitspois]

No one is born in the wrong body. Gender dysphoria does exist but it affects far far fewer people than claimed. It's also one of the only mental illnesses I think of where there seems to be no attempt to treat it (i.e attempt to make it go away via therapy etc.) but to offer surgery to affirm.

 

[maytoseptember]

Well this has ruined my Sunday



Their life’s work has been exploiting women and pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable when it comes to the ethics of creating babies to order. “Twins” with different fathers, using egg donors, implanted into “gestational carriers” etc. They could not have done more to normalise the concept of fucking around with a child’s genetic links (I mean, it’s easier to tell a child with two fathers that they don’t have a mother when they were created from the egg of one woman and grown inside a second, right?)

Tony and Barrie have five kids together, then Barrie commissioned another baby with his new boyfriend Scott (his eldest daughter’s ex boyfriend) and now all three of them are having ménage a trois triplets, and demanding to have three people on the birth certificate? Is it too early to drink?!

 

[nothanksbabes]

Yes, JK Rowling has literally said, "trans people want to rape women in bathrooms".

Next up on todays episode of Shit TRAs Fabricate In Their Own Heads...

 

[Vanelope]

oh also (because you guys are the only people I can really vent to about this) at the event I was at today, for the first time we were asked to introduce pronouns "if we wanted", I didn;t, was the only one who didn't. I don't know if I am overly sensitive about ti, but I do felt like I was judged for not doing so

Have quiet satisfaction in that you are making a stand for womens rights and will be proved right.