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I’m anti trans and I see no shame in it at all. I’m all for challenging gender norms and expectations but just do it, it doesn’t need a name, a cause or a celebration. What does it actually mean anyway? Transitioning from one gender norm to another? The whole topic should be erased. You’re a man or a woman and get on with it.
I'm anti kids being trans. Very, very, very anti. There was no such thing as trans kids until it became fashionable, the people who insist there were are talking rubbish or live in a completely different reality from me.

Adults, I generally don't care but I find it appalling that many of them seem to think nothing of hiding their real gender from sex partners. That's grape and they can go to jail if it were up to me. When that marine in the US murdered someone who did this to him, while I will never condone murder I can't say I wouldn't be enraged to a scary degree if I were grape like that.
 
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Whether biology or socialisation or some cosmic reason beyond my understanding, male-at-birth people are so much more dangerous to female-at-birth people than female-at-birth people are.

No need to gaze into the cosmos, fren, the answer is...testosterone.

Men are more violent than women because testosterone. Men are bigger and stronger than women because testosterone. Men are more predisposed to take risks and compete aggressively because testosterone. Men have a MUCH higher sex drive than women because testosterone.

Men aren't just more dangerous to women than women are. Men are super dangerous to other men. Men kill and maim other men all the time.

So, you say 'gender' shouldn't be relevant, I don't really care about that because the term is has been meaningless ever since the Eng Lit scholar and general midwit Judith Butler got her grubby hands on it. But sex is important, sex drives behaviours, and should always be taken into account in civil society, lawmaking and everything else.
Many men, not all, have the capacity to "de humanize" other people. That's why the concentration camps and genocides from time immemorial have happened - they can just switch off a part of their own humanity (if they have it to begin with). Their treatment of women is another manifestation - they don't see them as fellow human beings with their own, often fascinating, life stories - just objects of gratification.
I'd never really linked it with testosterone before - interesting.
 
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Perhaps we should have a tattle day out.

And if we hear anyone asking
'Why is there a rainbow coloured zebra crossing?'

Then we can loudly reply something similar to
I don't know because they have been shown to be dangerous for blind people and dangerous for animals
 
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Many men, not all, have the capacity to "de humanize" other people. That's why the concentration camps and genocides from time immemorial have happened - they can just switch off a part of their own humanity (if they have it to begin with). Their treatment of women is another manifestation - they don't see them as fellow human beings with their own, often fascinating, life stories - just objects of gratification.
I'd never really linked it with testosterone before - interesting.
I'm not sure that's a specifically male trait tbh - I think the capacity to dehumanise is more of an in-group out-group thing and both sexes can be encouraged to adopt it - the atrocities incited and committed by the female Maoists during the Great Leap Forward for example.

Also don't get me wrong, testosterone-fuelled aggression is absolutely necessary for the survival and development of ANY species. tesosterone predisposes its owner to take big risks, which is vital for development. Would we have harnessed the power of fire if some cro-magnon mad lad hadn't looked wistfully at a forest fire and wondered if the orange hot stuff could potentially be tamed and put to better use (roasting a mammoth steak, for example)? Would we have the wheel if some absolute boys in ancient egypt hadn't decided they were ducked with hauling pyramid stones on ropes and tried to figure out a way which left more physical energy for beer and wrestling in the evenings? Would we have explored the world if some bleeping legend hadn't gazed out upon the watery horizon and wondered what might happen if he balanced himself on a raft and just....pushed off?

Aggression, like most human traits, is good and bad. But we need to accept it before we can put it to productive use.
 
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That's really off, what about some exhibits regarding how people with disabilities can now travel in comfort with less faffing about? Thats just for starters, loons aren't the only people who use public transport. Whoever did this should be embarrassed.
As a history buff, well interested party rather than knowledgeable about it, I love visiting museums wherever I go and I've definitely noticed changes...
I call it the Troonification of history 🙁😡
 
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Saw this on Facebook . Now boys being asked by medical professionals if they are pregnant...

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They did this to my husband twice. First time was when he had to accompany our daughter for an X ray. They asked if he was born female in case he was pregnant.
He is rugged, has a big beard, is 6 foot, has a square jaw and a deep voice. He is as manly as you can get and very Scottish. Doesn't take any nonsense and calls a spade a spade. Second time was for a suspected broken foot, needed an X ray and was asked if he was pregnant. He was bewildered and then laughed. I asked the nurse why she asked him when he is obviously male and she responded with 'he could have been assigned female at birth'. bleeping lunacy.
 
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I'm anti kids being trans. Very, very, very anti. There was no such thing as trans kids until it became fashionable, the people who insist there were are talking rubbish or live in a completely different reality from me.

Adults, I generally don't care but I find it appalling that many of them seem to think nothing of hiding their real gender from sex partners. That's grape and they can go to jail if it were up to me. When that marine in the US murdered someone who did this to him, while I will never condone murder I can't say I wouldn't be enraged to a scary degree if I were grape like that.
See Naomi Watts's son Samuel/Kai is now a model. Naomi quoted as "being so proud of her daughter". Trans nepo baby at 17.
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"Watts also poked fun at the fact that Kai towered over her. "The height difference...it's just the heels!," she clarified on her Instagram Story."

No, it's not the heels Naomi, it's because your child is male and had a growth spurt at puberty due to his male hormones!
 
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They did this to my husband twice. First time was when he had to accompany our daughter for an X ray. They asked if he was born female in case he was pregnant.
He is rugged, has a big beard, is 6 foot, has a square jaw and a deep voice. He is as manly as you can get and very Scottish. Doesn't take any nonsense and calls a spade a spade. Second time was for a suspected broken foot, needed an X ray and was asked if he was pregnant. He was bewildered and then laughed. I asked the nurse why she asked him when he is obviously male and she responded with 'he could have been assigned female at birth'. bleeping lunacy.
I just can’t get my head around the nhs being captured it’s crazy
 
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Thank you all for the thoughtful responses, I'm going to learn more about "sex realism" as I had not encountered that term before.

Hello to our new poster. Hope you don’t mind me saying that I’ll reserve my judgement over your intentions in this thread until I’m convinced that your “Hello I’m a manly man here to give you all my manly and worldly perspective” looks a bit more… genuine. Likewise to your screed about men and sex in the Dating thread.
If you're familiar with my posts in that thread, you'll be glad to know I have a relevant peep show clip for this situation too.

Transcript of clip from Peep Show Season 9 Episode 4 said:
You are unmanly. And you are basically uninteresting. And you hide behind this mask of, like, slacker bull, like the fact you've never done anything with your life is some kind of Gen X lifestyle choice, when really... it's just because you're a small, talentless worm. And you don't deserve Joe, I've been with him, and he ducks like a dinosaur. You duck like a little child. Like an eight-year-old that's just been told off for sucking its thumb.
I am neither manly nor worldly, just an uneducated man with too much time and a desperate need to understand everything. I've been reading tattle for years and years, and GuruGossiper before that, and I know that the person who invited me here is on the hook for my conduct, everything I post is genuine, it is sincerely held beliefs, and my understanding of the world is constantly evolving based on what I learn.

I expected the dating thread comment about sex to be read as pathetic, not positive, I described what I think of as such a pathetic existence, that I thought everyone else would read that way too. A man who spends literally 12 hours a day hunched over a phone swiping on Tinder desperate to have sex with people he doesn't even like is really really pathetic. There's not a single redeeming part of how I chose to be (now I just spend 12 hours a day posting on the internet instead, much better). I didn't even scratch the surface, but figured much of it was better left unsaid. In hindsight I should have realised that it is difficult for a man to talk about sex without all men's sex = conquest = victory = heroic = manly baggage, I should have accounted for that. I can also see how it could also read like I'm trying to be a hero and saviour of women by revealing men's secrets as recompense for all the pathetic things I did but sadly there's no moral impetus, no (misguided) desire to right my wrongs, I am just compelled to participate in the exchange of information at any opportunity.

Anyway, I am not looking to be judged in any specific way, I disclaim that I'm a man when I think it matters in understanding my comment as most users here are assumed to be women (if registration was open, I'm sure there'd be a much higher number of men, lots of men love mess too, the chaos of Jack Monroe can be enjoyed by all) but otherwise I don't mention it, like when commenting about Chris Ingham's liquidation, or negotiating salary or Jason Arday killing himself or academia vs. business. I worry if my posts are disruptive because disruption means less information being shared (which is why I had hoped to delete my post in the dating thread after the comment suggesting it was bad (the shame of my post not being deleted and the ask for it to be deleted staying in the thread is pretty funny in hindsight)) but as long as they're useful in some way, I'm happy to be perceived as stupid or pathetic or foolish or naive or even a genius (not happened yet but maybe someday if I read enough I'll be smart).

Anyway anyway, words words words blah blah blah, in conclusion, I appreciate any time anyone takes to share their perspective on the internet because I crave insight. I'm not trolling over hot button issues, I really have spent dozens maybe even hundreds of hours trying to reconcile my knowledge that men are a danger to women while believing that trans people should have rights. Information is what I live for. I probably write tens of thousands of words per day on the internet, these posts on Tattle barely scratch the surface of my screed (although outside Tattle I'm usually screeding about business instead of things that matter).
 
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See Naomi Watts's son Samuel/Kai is now a model. Naomi quoted as "being so proud of her daughter". Trans nepo baby at 17.
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"Watts also poked fun at the fact that Kai towered over her. "The height difference...it's just the heels!," she clarified on her Instagram Story."

No, it's not the heels Naomi, it's because your child is male and had a growth spurt at puberty due to his male hormones!
Honestly the amount of celebs transing their kids is crazy and needs to be properly studied
 
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See Naomi Watts's son Samuel/Kai is now a model. Naomi quoted as "being so proud of her daughter". Trans nepo baby at 17.
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"Watts also poked fun at the fact that Kai towered over her. "The height difference...it's just the heels!," she clarified on her Instagram Story."

No, it's not the heels Naomi, it's because your child is male and had a growth spurt at puberty due to his male hormones!
These women - it's almost always the mums who are the loudest champions of trans kids - have something deeply wrong with their psyche. To have that much need to be special and different you let your underage child mutilate themselves and take all sorts of drugs is beyond comprehension to me.
 
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In the 90s they did similar except it was adopting babies of colour.

Celebs have been like this for a while with one cause or another.
I'm thinking of it more from the kid's perspective. Like, all kids like to rebel, right? But how do you meaningfully rebel if your parent is already too cool for school, ultra Progressive, relaxed around drugs, fully welcoming of all different types of lifestyle, yada yada all the stuff Hollywood stars are these days.

Maybe trans is the only way to actually rebel these days if you're a super duper privileged nepo baby
 
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It seems to me that common sense and a good moral fibre are traits that are dying out in younger generations. I sound like a granny but I think the lack of those traits play a role in some of what we are seeing today. Mary Whitehouse was right about a lot of things including trying to keep sex out of childhood, let children be children. The disgusting SNP are obsessed with teaching very young children all about the alphabet mafia. They had a sex ed manual out a few years ago with an image of a banana dipped in chocolate spread for the section on anal sex. This was for 14 year olds. There was also a survey for 14 year old girls about hardcover sex. I think internet porn has helped to accelerate knowledge about this and it is important for children to be informed, but at an appropriate age.
 
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These women - it's almost always the mums who are the loudest champions of trans kids - have something deeply wrong with their psyche. To have that much need to be special and different you let your underage child mutilate themselves and take all sorts of drugs is beyond comprehension to me.
It's like Munchhausen's by proxy. You get nutjob parents who want their kids to be ill. The parent thrives on the attention and sympathy and some are more cynical with it because charities will organise money, donated goods or experiences. Gypsy Rose Lee's mother was one of them. I think the parents of trans kids are the same.
 
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These women - it's almost always the mums who are the loudest champions of trans kids - have something deeply wrong with their psyche. To have that much need to be special and different you let your underage child mutilate themselves and take all sorts of drugs is beyond comprehension to me.
I think I must be so old fashioned because for me if I signal acceptance of gender ideology even with pronouns and my support sets someone on the path to mutilation and sterilisation then I feel I would be morally culpable.

The fact that many others think this is a wonderful thing to do with affirmation seems evil in a horrific way.
 
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Thank you all for the thoughtful responses, I'm going to learn more about "sex realism" as I had not encountered that term before.



If you're familiar with my posts in that thread, you'll be glad to know I have a relevant peep show clip for this situation too.



I am neither manly nor worldly, just an uneducated man with too much time and a desperate need to understand everything. I've been reading tattle for years and years, and GuruGossiper before that, and I know that the person who invited me here is on the hook for my conduct, everything I post is genuine, it is sincerely held beliefs, and my understanding of the world is constantly evolving based on what I learn.

I expected the dating thread comment about sex to be read as pathetic, not positive, I described what I think of as such a pathetic existence, that I thought everyone else would read that way too. A man who spends literally 12 hours a day hunched over a phone swiping on Tinder desperate to have sex with people he doesn't even like is really really pathetic. There's not a single redeeming part of how I chose to be (now I just spend 12 hours a day posting on the internet instead, much better). I didn't even scratch the surface, but figured much of it was better left unsaid. In hindsight I should have realised that it is difficult for a man to talk about sex without all men's sex = conquest = victory = heroic = manly baggage, I should have accounted for that. I can also see how it could also read like I'm trying to be a hero and saviour of women by revealing men's secrets as recompense for all the pathetic things I did but sadly there's no moral impetus, no (misguided) desire to right my wrongs, I am just compelled to participate in the exchange of information at any opportunity.

Anyway, I am not looking to be judged in any specific way, I disclaim that I'm a man when I think it matters in understanding my comment as most users here are assumed to be women (if registration was open, I'm sure there'd be a much higher number of men, lots of men love mess too, the chaos of Jack Monroe can be enjoyed by all) but otherwise I don't mention it, like when commenting about Chris Ingham's liquidation, or negotiating salary or Jason Arday killing himself or academia vs. business. I worry if my posts are disruptive because disruption means less information being shared (which is why I had hoped to delete my post in the dating thread after the comment suggesting it was bad (the shame of my post not being deleted and the ask for it to be deleted staying in the thread is pretty funny in hindsight)) but as long as they're useful in some way, I'm happy to be perceived as stupid or pathetic or foolish or naive or even a genius (not happened yet but maybe someday if I read enough I'll be smart).

Anyway anyway, words words words blah blah blah, in conclusion, I appreciate any time anyone takes to share their perspective on the internet because I crave insight. I'm not trolling over hot button issues, I really have spent dozens maybe even hundreds of hours trying to reconcile my knowledge that men are a danger to women while believing that trans people should have rights. Information is what I live for. I probably write tens of thousands of words per day on the internet, these posts on Tattle barely scratch the surface of my screed (although outside Tattle I'm usually screeding about business instead of things that matter).
If you’re genuine and want to post in good faith, that’s great. I just found your opening gambit about having spent your life surrounded by trans women rather suss (unless your parents ran a transvestite club at the latter end of the 20th century, I’m not sure how that’s possible) and your claim to being open to dating a trans woman equally implausible, since you say you were quite the swordsman prior to swearing off dating.

What I’m saying is, if you think wandering into this thread to educate us - because you know and love so many trans people - and help us learn the error of our ways, well you’re not the first. Just so you know ✌
 
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