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I do think the media needs to change, not in terms of some ridiculous arbitrary rule where if someone has X articles then no more are allowed until Y days have elapsed.

But in how they report a suicide. The current rules aren't up to scratch and it's so damaging to see the praise and gofund money pouring in when this isn't the reality for most cases.

Take the case of Princess Dickson, a child who had been exploited by TV companies and her mother since she was 4. The IPSO regulated press ran wild with blaming tattle before a coroner's investigation was opened and while it was an active police investigation. The rhetoric in the media was totally inaccurate and pushed by that awful person not a doctor Jessica Taylor who has her own selfish motives to silence valid criticism and sell books. Influencers all have PR and press contacts so getting hit pieces on tattle is easy. Tattle was the only place actually raising safeguarding concerns that no one else cared about.

IPSO said it would be too traumatic for the family to investigate, which I totally understand. But also the stuff in the press is traumatic for the family as all the articles were just her mothers opinion spurred on by awful people possibly convincing her she'll get a payday. At the heart of this case there looks to be a family dispute. If it's too traumatic for IPSO to look into then it shouldn't be reported on other than the known facts. The media all broke the Samaritans advice and IPSO do nothing.

If the IPSO regulated press can't even adhere to the very basic standards on reporting that the Samaritans set out, what hope is there?
 
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He did the same in his acceptance speech at st Mary’s (when he was given an honorary doctorate )

There‘s a page now set up for good memories. The overwhelming thing that people say is that he was kind.

I was lucky enough to be taught by some absolutely brilliant lecturers and academics. Some were kinder to me than others. The ones who really made a difference were the ones who pushed me to push myself harder though. Kindness is not the key quality you need in education.
He just talks utter pap, doesn’t he? Long winded platitudes about himself with the odd bit of flattery thrown to the audience.
 
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He did the same in his acceptance speech at st Mary’s (when he was given an honorary doctorate )

There‘s a page now set up for good memories. The overwhelming thing that people say is that he was kind.

I was lucky enough to be taught by some absolutely brilliant lecturers and academics. Some were kinder to me than others. The ones who really made a difference were the ones who pushed me to push myself harder though. Kindness is not the key quality you need in education.
Not that I want to encourage a witch hunt here, but watching him make this rather ineloquent speech - [graduation day] is definitely one of the most best days of your life - I wonder how many people teaching in universities, calling themselves ‘doctor’ or ‘Professor’ are really qualified for their position.
PhD’s are not marked. ‘Expert examiners read the written work and test the candidate in an oral exam called a viva voce. The final result is a pass or fail decision.’ If the ‘expert examiner/s’ at Liverpool John Moores University took such a lackadaisical approach to passing Arday’s thesis, which not only looked to be plagiarised but also was full of spelling and grammatical errors, including in the title of the thesis, then how many other ‘doctors’ and ‘professors’ out there also got a pass they didn’t deserve?!
 
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Not that I want to encourage a witch hunt here, but watching him make this rather ineloquent speech - [graduation day] is definitely one of the most best days of your life - I wonder how many people teaching in universities, calling themselves ‘doctor’ or ‘Professor’ are really qualified for their position.
PhD’s are not marked. ‘Expert examiners read the written work and test the candidate in an oral exam called a viva voce. The final result is a pass or fail decision.’ If the ‘expert examiner/s’ at Liverpool John Moores University took such a lackadaisical approach to passing Arday’s thesis, which not only looked to be plagiarised but also was full of spelling and grammatical errors, including in the title of the thesis, then how many other ‘doctors’ and ‘professors’ out there also got a pass they didn’t deserve?!
Yes and as for LJMU clearing JA of plagiarism allegations; well, they’re marking their own homework, aren’t they?
 
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A journalist of my acquaintance is absolutely beside herself with how damaging the narrative around Arday’s suicide is, and I have to agree.

The key points when talking publicly about suicide are that you never glamourise it, you never suggest that it’s a realistic solution to someone’s problems, you avoid dramatic headlines (like “lynching” and “being hounded to death”), you always make it clear that people contemplating suicide should seek help and that help is available and, well, helpful. And most of all, most of bleeping all, you never presume that you know what caused someone to take their own life, and you never suggest that there was a single trigger.

I am very sensitive to how we talk about suicide, as I have lost someone to it. The way it’s being talked about now in this case absolutely sickens me, and the more so because it’s by people who genuinely think they are empathetic, progressive, on the right side etc etc.

When you say things like “this black academic was lynched by racists who hated his success”, what message are you sending? You’re telling young black people that they are unwelcome in academia, and that if they are successful, they’ll be hated so much they’ll end up being hounded out and taking their own lives. Vulnerable people are seeing this right now and thinking “well, he’s escaped his critics, hasn’t he?”, and what are they doing with that information??

But because I called him out for being a fabulist, I’m the racist and his suicide can be laid at my door? No.

Guidelines here: https://media.samaritans.org/documents/Media_Guidelines_2026_DIGITAL.pdf

And hugs here for anyone who is struggling with this foul narrative 🫂 You matter, the people you lost to suicide mattered and all of this two dimensional sanctimony online is not how normal, compassionate people in the real world behave.
 
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Has Kathy Burke said anything? Since she's on the front of the book review?
Kathy Burke - she’s another one along with Carole Vorderman, Gary Lineker, Nadia Sawala, and Dawn French who seem to have lost the plot. They all seem to try and out do each other in the worthy Olympics. There is no sense or proportionality. It’s mainly performative. A shame as they were all people I generally quite liked when they were being normal… well, not such much Nadia the husband bullier.

Kathy Burke has a podcast where she is joined by a guest on each episode. I was very disappointed to see she had on Dr shouty Shola, who hides behind academia but regularly incites hate and is in my view, a bigot. A very dangerous woman who i’ve noticed appears a lot less frequently on TV these days. I deduct from this that producers have probably wisened up to her and don’t wish to affiliate with her. Good.

I know Kathy is an auntie to biracial nephews, so her position on this is admirable, but I think she throws her weight behind some very unsavoury individuals in this discussion. Again, it’s a pity.
 
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A good looking guy (at least before the eyeliner and perpetual shine), he absolutely was. But listening to him speak... I'm not charmed so much as I want to crawl up my own hoop to escape the sensation of watching someone humiliate themselves.
Left liberal types hate the bold and brash obnoxious man with his unearned confidence. A humble, quiet, understated man is the antidote, and so, they are disarmed by a soft spoken man. Suddenly, the left liberal type is not the quietest voice in the room jostling for a crumb of attention, now they're the loudest voice, dominating the conversation, speaking over Jason. They over correct, they invest everything in making sure this humble, quiet, understated man is heard. After all, the left liberal has so much valuable to say that is never heard, this soft spoken man must have valuable things to say, too, and finally, they can be the one to let him be heard, a hero.

I think that he was Black mattered a lot less, that how soft spoken and humble he was mattered a lot more. I'm a soft spoken white man and the amount of consideration I get is ridiculous. I appreciate it of course, I benefit from it, but it is ridiculous. Also, I'll caveat this, I am a left liberal type, I don't say any of this as an indictment of left liberals, I don't think it is bad for someone to be too considerate, to give Arday the opportunity to be heard, but that it wasn't followed up by background checks is where it all fell apart. Let him be heard spinning his yarn, then check the veracity of it, and kick him to the curb because it was a bunch of bunk... don't hire him!
 
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A journalist of my acquaintance is absolutely beside herself with how damaging the narrative around Arday’s suicide is, and I have to agree.

The key points when talking publicly about suicide are that you never glamourise it, you never suggest that it’s a realistic solution to someone’s problems, you avoid dramatic headlines (like “lynching” and “being hounded to death”), you always make it clear that people contemplating suicide should seek help and that help is available and, well, helpful. And most of all, most of bleeping all, you never presume that you know what caused someone to take their own life, and you never suggest that there was a single trigger.

I am very sensitive to how we talk about suicide, as I have lost someone to it. The way it’s being talked about now in this case absolutely sickens me, and the more so because it’s by people who genuinely think they are empathetic, progressive, on the right side etc etc.

When you say things like “this black academic was lynched by racists who hated his success”, what message are you sending? You’re telling young black people that they are unwelcome in academia, and that if they are successful, they’ll be hated so much they’ll end up being hounded out and taking their own lives. Vulnerable people are seeing this right now and thinking “well, he’s escaped his critics, hasn’t he?”, and what are they doing with that information??

But because I called him out for being a fabulist, I’m the racist and his suicide can be laid at my door? No.

Guidelines here: https://media.samaritans.org/documents/Media_Guidelines_2026_DIGITAL.pdf

And hugs here for anyone who is struggling with this foul narrative 🫂 You matter, the people you lost to suicide mattered and all of this two dimensional sanctimony online is not how normal, compassionate people in the real world behave.
Thank you for your post. It really resonated with me. I am sorry for your loss.xx

I’ve highlighted the passage above as I was trying to say this on the previous thread, and probably very inarticulately.
This is why, in my opinion, DEI is so unhelpful. What it really does is pander to opportunistic people who abuse it, and do a disservice to people who already posses the ability to pursue their area of study or vocation, and gain entry on merit.
My point about some of the voices we heard from at the vigil on Monday, they were propagating the message of ‘you’ll never be accepted’, ‘you’re never going to win’ and ‘you’re never going to be able to assimilate with white people’ - it’s a message that encourages division, holds people back, its pessimistic, I used the word ‘oppressive’ as I think it makes people feel burdened and hopeless. It’s an irresponsible message being put out by people who really should know better.
 
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Not that I want to encourage a witch hunt here, but watching him make this rather ineloquent speech - [graduation day] is definitely one of the most best days of your life - I wonder how many people teaching in universities, calling themselves ‘doctor’ or ‘Professor’ are really qualified for their position.
PhD’s are not marked. ‘Expert examiners read the written work and test the candidate in an oral exam called a viva voce. The final result is a pass or fail decision.’ If the ‘expert examiner/s’ at Liverpool John Moores University took such a lackadaisical approach to passing Arday’s thesis, which not only looked to be plagiarised but also was full of spelling and grammatical errors, including in the title of the thesis, then how many other ‘doctors’ and ‘professors’ out there also got a pass they didn’t deserve?!
That description makes it sound like you just have a chat about your work.
Vivas are a very rigorous examination process. I know several people who despite knowing their subject really bloody well - obviously, having done (in these cases) their B.Sc and M.Sc first, and they *all* felt they like they were back in primary school. It was a real sphincter work out.
This situation is unlike anything I've ever heard. The last thing we need now is suspicion or mistrust of higher education.
 
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That description makes it sound like you just have a chat about your work.
Vivas are a very rigorous examination process. I know several people who despite knowing their subject really bloody well - obviously, having done (in these cases) their B.Sc and M.Sc first, and they *all* felt they like they were back in primary school. It was a real sphincter work out.
This situation is unlike anything I've ever heard. The last thing we need now is suspicion or mistrust of higher education.
FYI - It was highlighted and punctuated in my comment as I copied and pasted it from Google AI Overview. I had to look it up as I have no idea how a PhD is marked, I don’t have one.
 
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The last thing we need now is suspicion or mistrust of higher education.
I fully agree but this whole debacle is bound to raise many questions as to who else, apart from him, may have been given a post they did not deserve and were not qualified to hold.
 
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Left liberal types hate the bold and brash obnoxious man with his unearned confidence. A humble, quiet, understated man is the antidote, and so, they are disarmed by a soft spoken man. Suddenly, the left liberal type is not the quietest voice in the room jostling for a crumb of attention, now they're the loudest voice, dominating the conversation, speaking over Jason. They over correct, they invest everything in making sure this humble, quiet, understated man is heard. After all, the left liberal has so much valuable to say that is never heard, this soft spoken man must have valuable things to say, too, and finally, they can be the one to let him be heard, a hero.

I think that he was Black mattered a lot less, that how soft spoken and humble he was mattered a lot more. I'm a soft spoken white man and the amount of consideration I get is ridiculous. I appreciate it of course, I benefit from it, but it is ridiculous. Also, I'll caveat this, I am a left liberal type, I don't say any of this as an indictment of left liberals, I don't think it is bad for someone to be too considerate, to give Arday the opportunity to be heard, but that it wasn't followed up by background checks is where it all fell apart. Let him be heard spinning his yarn, then check the veracity of it, and kick him to the curb because it was a bunch of bunk... don't hire him!
I agree with you, and yet I'm still relentlessly baffled. I like a thoughtful, sort of self-contained, gentle natured and self aware sort of man, but humility is not something I get from a single word out of Arday's mouth. He's neither use nor ornament.

I'm a big lefty too (or was, if the current self-identified left are what the left now is then perhaps I'm something else), but I'm just continually baffled about why the left doesn't value competence.

On the right we've got a shower of incompetent bleeps often in their position thanks to a name and a family tree, and on the left we've got incompetent embarrassments who can't construct a coherent thought, and somehow this is seen as a move towards equality. And those of us who criticise the latter group are accused of being the former rather than having a separate standard of behaviour (moored to reality!) for everyone.

I expect a higher standard of conduct from the people on "my side". It's such a race to the bottom to say well, loads of people tart up their CV and embellish their accomplishments and loads of white axedemics are probably promoted beyond their capabilities in response to Arday's bull. And yeah, those things are absolutely true in some cases, but why is that the standard we're aiming for?
 
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I was very disappointed to see she had on Dr shouty Shola, who hides behind academia but regularly incites hate and is in my view, a bigot. A very dangerous woman who i’ve noticed appears a lot less frequently on TV these days. I deduct from this that producers have probably wisened up to her and don’t wish to affiliate with her. Good.
Thank fcuk for that!

'Dr' (in what exactly?) Shola is a race bating Witch (putting it politely) with a massive chip on her shoulder.

Always coming out with the white Vs black arguments whatever the subject, and shouting over those who disagree with her.

I would charge her as being an inverted racist - because she clearly hates people of white origin. She also pushing the 'White Privilege' nonsense, and making out the Royal Family are white supremacists. 🤦‍♂️

I have no doubt Shola is pushing her race bating narrative regarding J.A on social media, to those whom are stupid enough to take her seriously.

The way she carries on with her nonsense, the UK is the most racist country ever. When nothing is futher from the truth!
 
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Thank fcuk for that!

'Dr' (in what exactly) Shola is a race bating witch (putting it politely) with a massive chip on her shoulder.

Always pitting white Vs black arguments and shouting over those who disagree with her.

I would charge her as being an inverted racist - because she clearly hates people of white origin.

I have no doubt Shola is pushing her race bating narrative on social media, to those whom are stupid enough to listen to her guff.

The way she carries on with her nonsense, the UK is the most racist country ever, when nothing is futher from the truth.
She spends a lot of time berating and undermining the UK, which is her birthplace but her parents are Nigerian.

Little is made of the atrocities in Nigeria - the mass killings of Christians, the brutality and sexual violence, the corruption of the Nigerian government and the way they abuse their people. You don’t hear so much from her about that.
 
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I'm just continually baffled about why the left doesn't value competence.
No group of people really value competence because evaluating competence is hard, time consuming, confronting. Nepotism, achievements, connections, the world runs on credibility. The right and left are just as ready to ostracise the people who ask the difficult questions which confront someone or something. The furore over Tattle is a great example of this. Tattle is an affront to humanity because people don't want the grizzly innards of their lives to be discussed. Whether Tattle really does all the terrible things that the fantasists argue is irrelevant to most people, that people would even have the gall to discuss other people's lives is beyond the pale.

The difference between the left and right is that the right believe in the myth of meritocracy. The left readily acknowledges it doesn't exist and tries to correct for it, often with disastrous results. The right has just as many Jason Ardays, look at George Santos, who got the same treatment as Arday, but the right just don't care that much about what it means for the right, they know he's just another grifter trying to make it in America, just like they are, he took a shot and missed, c'est la vie, better luck next time.

Jason Arday wasn't valued in spite of his competence because he was Black. People were told he was competent, explicitly and implicitly through his role at Cambridge and PhDs, and so, to the people, Jason Arday is a competent man. That he published garbage, plagiarised, couldn't communicate a coherent thought, that doesn't matter, they were told he was competent, he was the youngest Black professor at Cambridge for goodness sake!

Academia is a good target for a lot of the anger people have towards the woke left because academia is professional thought-having, it is so often a joke, but business is no better, in fact, much worse. The most conservative businesses are worse than academic. The incompetence in academia cannot even compare to the incompetence in business. Left-leaning academia, for all its deeply embarrassing faults, is far more meritocratic than right-leaning business. Unfortunately for academia, academics happens in the open, the professional thought-havers love to air their dirty laundry. If business was conducted by publishing, people would wish the real world was more like academia.
 
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I see a lot of ‘things you can do to support JA’s memory’ and one of them is pre-ordering his book. I wonder if the mainstream mood will change after it is read by so many of his supporters?
I can confirm that buying it is one thing. Actually reading it is something quite different, going by the state of my To Be Read pile..
 
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