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I don’t think I have ever seen a trans person (at least the ones that are on social media, ofcourse not ALL trans people are like this) that hasn’t said something incredibly misogynistic
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Oh duck off all of you. Transitioning is not a replacement for a personality, you are still going to be inadequate whatever gender you identify with. Get a hobby.

not aimed at people here obvs
 
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Saw this on twitter

“Between 2016 and 2019, 97 sexual assaults were recorded in women's prisons, the judgement said. Of these, it appears that seven were committed by transgender prisoners without a GRC. It is not known whether any were committed by transgender women with a GRC.”
 
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I get the impression from this news story that the non-binary AMAB queer identifying person was almost disappointed that no one at the England match really gave a F 😄


Joe came out as non-binary in January last year and since then has become increasingly comfortable expressing their identity.

But the decision to wear makeup to Tuesday's match (a first for them) was not a conscious one.

"I didn't really think about it until meeting my friend at mine so we could travel up to Wembley together and I was like 'ah, this could cause some issues'.

"If you're just LGB you are able to almost straight-wash yourself, and 'butch-up' so to speak. Whereas if you're in a face of makeup that gets a little bit harder to do if something happens."


So NB people in make up have it harder than people who are “just LGB”… right 🙃

Joe didn’t wear make up for the Sky News interview, but did wear pink glasses and a t shirt saying “sushi rolls not gender roles”. Because of course. Joe had also mastered that selfie face that all NBs seem to love.

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"If you're just LGB you are able to almost straight-wash yourself, and 'butch-up' so to speak.”

What in the bleeping duck is this nonsense? You see all sorts of people at football games these days it’s not all just ‘straight middle aged men down the pub’ types. You even see women there, fancy that??

There are still places in the world where women aren’t even allowed to attend sports events. And then you’ve got this guy bleating on about being non binary at a football match. Just watch the game and shut up, no one cares.
 
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"If you're just LGB you are able to almost straight-wash yourself, and 'butch-up' so to speak.”

What in the bleeping duck is this nonsense? You see all sorts of people at football games these days it’s not all just ‘straight middle aged men down the pub’ types. You even see women there, fancy that??

There are still places in the world where women aren’t even allowed to attend sports events. And then you’ve got this guy bleating on about being non binary at a football match. Just watch the game and shut up, no one cares.
The desperation of average white men to find literally any possible way to position themselves as the 'most oppressed' group absolutely stinks. I really cannot believe anyone falls for this.

Short version: the current situation is legal, but it's the first time, I think, that a judge has stated there is a conflict between the rights of women and transwomen.
This is true but I don't think it's a good thing for us. They've accepted there is a conflict of rights, but they've resolved it in a way that prioritises transwomen prisoners over female prisoners, even those who have been victims of sexual assault. I'm worried about the legal precedent this is going to set for any future cases that examine this clash. I'm also worried that recording transwomen's sexually violent crimes as 'female crimes' means in the future there will be less and less data showing it's overwhelmingly biological males who carry out sexually violent crime, and we need this to demonstrate why we need female prisons to be only biologically female. I think it's pretty bleak to be honest.
 
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I also agree it's pretty bleak. Once the genie is out of the bottle it's hard to get it back in
 
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I get the impression from this news story that the non-binary AMAB queer identifying person was almost disappointed that no one at the England match really gave a F 😄


Joe came out as non-binary in January last year and since then has become increasingly comfortable expressing their identity.

But the decision to wear makeup to Tuesday's match (a first for them) was not a conscious one.

"I didn't really think about it until meeting my friend at mine so we could travel up to Wembley together and I was like 'ah, this could cause some issues'.

"If you're just LGB you are able to almost straight-wash yourself, and 'butch-up' so to speak. Whereas if you're in a face of makeup that gets a little bit harder to do if something happens."


So NB people in make up have it harder than people who are “just LGB”… right 🙃

Joe didn’t wear make up for the Sky News interview, but did wear pink glasses and a t shirt saying “sushi rolls not gender roles”. Because of course. Joe had also mastered that selfie face that all NBs seem to love.

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Nothing against men wearing makeup, couldn’t care less (although I’d rather my boyfriend didn’t wear it 🤷🏼‍♀️ ) but why is it that when a man wears makeup, it’s a ‘victory for inclusion’ yet, when women wear makeup, we hear the following things:

1. you’re wearing too much makeup
2. Women who wear makeup are deceitful and liars/catfishers
3. Women wear so much makeup you should take them on a first date to a swimming pool
4. Women who like makeup are dumb/bimbos/airheads
5. Women only wear makeup for men

And then ofcourse..

6. women who don’t wear makeup are so weird, oh my god look at the monster without makeup.. but hold on.. don’t put too much on though ..


………….. 🤦🏼‍♀️
 
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I get the impression from this news story that the non-binary AMAB queer identifying person was almost disappointed that no one at the England match really gave a F 😄


Joe came out as non-binary in January last year and since then has become increasingly comfortable expressing their identity.

But the decision to wear makeup to Tuesday's match (a first for them) was not a conscious one.

"I didn't really think about it until meeting my friend at mine so we could travel up to Wembley together and I was like 'ah, this could cause some issues'.

"If you're just LGB you are able to almost straight-wash yourself, and 'butch-up' so to speak. Whereas if you're in a face of makeup that gets a little bit harder to do if something happens."


So NB people in make up have it harder than people who are “just LGB”… right 🙃

Joe didn’t wear make up for the Sky News interview, but did wear pink glasses and a t shirt saying “sushi rolls not gender roles”. Because of course. Joe had also mastered that selfie face that all NBs seem to love.

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So non-binary = bit of foundation and lipstick. Riiiight...

I highly doubt anyone "complimented" them on their makeup. Doubt most people gave a shiny rit :rolleyes:
 
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I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion on here or not but I really think that this 'gender non binary' thing is basically a fashion trend.

My daughter had some friends over the other day and one was a girl who we've known for years who now identifies as 'they' and one of the others was a guy wearing a dress. Don't know him but he seemed pleasant enough.

I am of the opinion that this is a fad rather like everyone having a tattoo and piercings was some years back.
 
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I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion on here or not but I really think that this 'gender non binary' thing is basically a fashion trend.

My daughter had some friends over the other day and one was a girl who we've known for years who now identifies as 'they' and one of the others was a guy wearing a dress. Don't know him but he seemed pleasant enough.

I am of the opinion that this is a fad rather like everyone having a tattoo and piercings was some years back.
No I fully agree, it is a fashion trend. But unlike goths or punks or whatever, it sometimes involves harmful practices like binding, hormones, etc
 
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I also agree it's pretty bleak. Once the genie is out of the bottle it's hard to get it back in
I'm getting really annoyed that everyone's happy to throw money at the trans causes - who is funding all this healthcare? PBs, HRT, any of it? - but conflicts of rights won't be resolved in a way that serves everyone because it will cost money. What is clearly needed is e.g. a transgender prison wing (admittedly I don't have the first clue precisely how many trans prisoners there are, but given how many prisons there are, they could surely set up one/two just for them) and similarly with the toilets I would be happy with facilities that are lockable self contained units with sinks and ceiling to floor walls. But this costs too much and only protects women here, so duck the lot of us and keep paying for hormones I guess.

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion on here or not but I really think that this 'gender non binary' thing is basically a fashion trend.

My daughter had some friends over the other day and one was a girl who we've known for years who now identifies as 'they' and one of the others was a guy wearing a dress. Don't know him but he seemed pleasant enough.

I am of the opinion that this is a fad rather like everyone having a tattoo and piercings was some years back.
It's just androgyny really, isn't it? Certainly nothing new in fashion at least, wasn't it The Big Thing in the 80s?
 
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So non-binary = bit of foundation and lipstick. Riiiight...

I highly doubt anyone "complimented" them on their makeup. Doubt most people gave a shiny rit :rolleyes:
If makeup makes you non binary almost all of the emo guys I hung out with as a teenager covered in eyeliner must be I guess? Men across history have worn makeup, get over it 😒
 
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I can barely tell they’re wearing eye make up and I’d assume the foundation was part of the England face paint, no hate wear what you like but I’m not sure it was the social experiment they think it was.
 
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They’re all so desperate for an identity they claim they don’t have a “gender identity” (which they don’t…because none of us do really).
 
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The desperation of average white men to find literally any possible way to position themselves as the 'most oppressed' group absolutely stinks. I really cannot believe anyone falls for this.


This is true but I don't think it's a good thing for us. They've accepted there is a conflict of rights, but they've resolved it in a way that prioritises transwomen prisoners over female prisoners, even those who have been victims of sexual assault. I'm worried about the legal precedent this is going to set for any future cases that examine this clash. I'm also worried that recording transwomen's sexually violent crimes as 'female crimes' means in the future there will be less and less data showing it's overwhelmingly biological males who carry out sexually violent crime, and we need this to demonstrate why we need female prisons to be only biologically female. I think it's pretty bleak to be honest.
I think its going to cause and create more problems within prisons, not less.
I'm not an expert on prisons at all, but if the authorities aren't able to control the situation appropriately, which they can't be if at least 7 trans women have sexually assaulted other prisoners, then prisoner will be forced to take matters into their own hands and its likely there will be a violent and unpleasant reaction.
 
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I think its going to cause and create more problems within prisons, not less.
I'm not an expert on prisons at all, but if the authorities aren't able to control the situation appropriately, which they can't be if at least 7 trans women have sexually assaulted other prisoners, then prisoner will be forced to take matters into their own hands and its likely there will be a violent and unpleasant reaction.
Yes I think you're right, I expect there will come a point when there's a kind of inmate vigilante justice going on. Thing is that will make it even worse for women yet again because it will be painted as 'horrible transphobic female prisoner attacking a transwoman' or something. I really do despair at it all.



More abusive emails Rosa is receiving, I hope her university is doing something about it
 
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