Florence Given

[Tintin93]

This! Pretending to play the drums...

She’s a fuckin terrible dancer.

 

[soph30]

The Top Critical Review on Amazon sums it up perfectly:
"This book has been somewhat empowering. Florence Given has made some feminist ideas digestible. However, it is digestible for white, middle-class, pretty women whilst disguising itself as being intersectional. Florence has taken it upon herself to be the voice of many and speak up on issues that she has never experienced herself such as disability and fatphobia. Her approach and the words she uses to define these experiences can be extremely damaging to people who live the reality of what she is merely theorising. In one section, she has created "privilege checklists" which are too overly simplified. The disability checklist only looks at disability from a visible perspective and completely ignores those who suffer with invisible disabilities which is invalidating and trivialising for those with hidden disabilities. I really wish that Florence Given would learn to pass the mic. If you want to feel really, truly empowered then I recommend What a Time to Be Alone by Chidera Eggerue."

That’s her Women don’t owe you pretty book. We’re talking about her new novel which seems a bit of a money grab

 

[champagnemami99]

it’s like Chidera is gambling for the big prize (of florences profits), and she keeps doing more and more to get it.
Blocking people who have supported her is insane.

i really do not agree with calling someone a “rapist”, its a HUGE disrespect for genuine victims of sexual abuse and rape.

I don’t agree with “all white people are racist”, you want people to not marginalise you for your skin colour? Please don’t do it to others.

Her language about this whole situation has really upset me and disappointed me. Do better

 

[oczymlody]

I have replied to this thread ages ago with criticisms of her. Doesn’t mean that I can’t reply to yours?? I’m hardly her biggest fan but what you said wasn’t really a sound or fair criticism of her ideas.

It is when she’s telling people who are perfectly happy to dump their husbands. I mean what planet does she live on???
Didn’t say you can’t reply. I don’t agree with you that’s all. I said if you like her a lot then create a rave thread.

 

[Pixienuts1975]

From what I gather it's her favourite chapters and an additional chapter

What a money grab!

 

[HaveSomeMilk]

https://tattle.life/threads/chidera-eggerue-aka-the-slumflower.13296/

I made one hope thats okay

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Chidera's first few stories about everything seemed quite informative and to the point, but now she's just going after everyone who dares object against her. Florence hasn't been on Instagram in days, Diving Bell was quiet until their statement release, Gina Martin was bullied off and now Munroe Bergdorf. It's mental to me that Chidera thinks this is really going to solve the problem. I'm not advocating for either side in this equation, but surely she recognises that this is an issue that should be dealt with offline, either with management or lawyers, not your Instagram audience? If she wants to make them aware of any racial inequalities (which probably do play a part, let's be honest) then she can do so without dragging everyone through the mud

Im confused at why she’s going so hard at munroe bergdorf?
That’s someone who publically shamed one of the biggest cosmetic companies in the world even losing a contract with them about white supremacy.

I think whoever Chidera’s mate who she reposted isn’t quite right saying that Munro’s is waiting for permission for white people to speak, she seems to have no issue speaking up on the truth. there is very clearly Chidera’s side, Florences Side and the truth which is a mix of both I presume.

 

[PineappleQueen19]

Seven figures

 

[urghmummybloggers]

The dancing and pretention - she needs to leave his out of her vibe for 2021 on insta

 

[stopthescams]

Interesting! From loudbossygross insta.

 

[korma]

I know no one asked and now you want paying???? Madness!

Strong Slumflower vibes lol. Pay! Black! Women! first, ask questions later.

It's like when someone randomly starts cleaning your car at a red light and then intimdates you into giving them money for it.

 

[GossipLady]

Yes! You would expect them to say something, but then? Behind the scenes, who knows if they want to get involved/are waiting for things to clear.

I guess they might not want to feel like they HAVE to pick 'a side'?

Yes but when it hasn't involved their agent or Florence they have all been people who have been so quick to criticise others publicly. Just makes you feel they care more about their contract with their agency than doing the right thing.

 

[korma]

I'm glad florence is back to posting on instagram and didn't get CANCELLED. She's annoying af but all this fuss was over nothing. seem slike a bunch of hypocrites all sniping at each other for clout. ridiculous that grown women are going after each other like this for what?

Me too. I'm glad she's just carrying on, she must have a good support network around her - or a really good therapist lol.

Now that it's become abundantly clear that Chidera doesn't have any sort of intellectual property case against Florence... I wonder if Florence or Diving Bell will instigate any legal action against Chidera (or, come to think of it, loudbossygross)? Both FG and DB have suffered considerable detriment to their reputations (and damages to their bottom lines, I should imagine) as a result of the false allegations of plagiarism. It could be quite an interesting defamation claim and there's an absolute truckload of evidence.

What do people reckon are the chances that either FG or DB would sue Chidera for libel? I'm 50/50, on the one hand I feel like they would avoid it and just wait for the whole thing to die down so as not to be seen as wielding the law against a Black woman. But also I feel like Diving Bell especially would LOVE to have a judgment proving themselves to be in the right lol. Personally I think a libel case would have a far greater chance of success than an intellectual property claim.

 

[GossipLady]

totally agree with this - my issue with her statement is how can you go from posting shit like THE FLOSS EFFECT to saying “I’ve never claimed to be the first person to talk about these topics”. It just doesn’t sit right with me.

I think there’s probably a lot going on behind the scenes, unfortunately as Chidera appears to have been dropped by their management she will come out worse from the situation while this will all blow over for Florence and she’ll carry on as before.

It just makes me sad - “dump him” feminism is so dated and completely ignores the fact that probably a large percentage of men in floss’ age range were raised by feminists, it’s so reductive to just be like “men are trash” no people can all be trash it’s not a gender specific trait lol

Agree 100% with everything you said. All this just makes me feel better for her making me uncomfortable to start with.

I feel really bad for Chidera. It seems like she has tried to resolve this behind the scenes- Florence said at launch Chidera asked for endorsement to be removed, so it has been going on since then. She had every right to then try raise awareness of the issue.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money they make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, then changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent behaviour following this.

Didn’t that man’s email state that they already donate to several causes?

I think it’s naive to suggest to a relatively small company that they add £100 to their expenditure because you want them to.

Do they donate or potentially use that £100 to support new talent? Or £100 extra for their current roster or talent? Regardless of my role and who I work for, if I told my company that I’m holding back work because I want them to change their whole website structure (which costs time and money) and increase their charitable donations then they have every right to say no to her.

 

[Esteelouder]

Yes! As soon as I saw the “Aja is educating you for free” comment I cringed. The hypocrisy is real.

Omg she did it with Lucy and Yak ‘my emotional Labour’ and had lucy and Chris completely squirming on a video... it was awful to watch. Also she says ‘super stinky’ way too much

 

[oczymlody]

She reeks of privileged white woman who doesn’t actually believe anything she says. I don’t buy her whole persona whatsoever.

No I don’t. I just don’t understand how people like her, it’s the too young know all-ness that gets me. Like I’ve said above, my relationship has been through a lot, a lot that she doesn’t understand with her simplistic ‘dump him’ etc. She must amuse a certain type of person

 

[HaveSomeMilk]

so from her stories I can't really work it out, is she saying that this is Florence's team doing this or her own UK publisher trying to jump on the sales of a popular book?

Even in that Caroline Dooner's stories she says "I just heard about florence fucking over the slumflower" but isn't everyone giving florence a little too much credit? I don't know how these influencer book deals work but I highly doubt florence had anything much to do with the marketing (or even writing) of her book. Is it not just her face and her artwork in a hardback book for a publisher to make a pretty penny out of.

 

[jobrandsredhair]

I';ve had to unfollow.

she lost 438 followers on Monday so says a lot

 

[Lemonz]

She is something else tbh. I can’t believe how dismissive she was of Jews legitimately not wanting to vote for corbyn due to the anti semitism within the party.

I find her so rude and her double standards are unbelievable to me.

I have seen some stuff from AJ and liked it but i spotted her commenting on Laura Whitmores post about partnering with Primark and she didnt come across great