Florence Given

[That’sOk]

Why is it the small edition if it has an extra chapter? I’m confused lol

I’m so confused. Apparently it is the full book with the extra chapter but with no illustrations? I think.

 

[That’sOk]

FG was sort of like my introduction into feminism and when I first read her book it was all new to me. But now my eyes have been opened to the fact that she is not doing anything revolutionary but actually she is heavily influenced by other people and passes it off as her own work!

Does anyone have any suggestions of better feminist accounts to follow?

 

[blondelolita]

Roxane Gay is really fantastic for accessible but really intelligent and nuanced discussion. She is hilarious too.

Yes to this - the collection ‘Not That Bad’ about rape culture is an absolutely heartbreaking and difficult read, but it is such a worthy read of anyone‘s time, whether you’ve experienced trauma or not, it’s a discussion that often is gendered and it doesn’t have to me. Would definitely recommend.

 

[champagnemami99]

I am not a fan of Chidera, but she is under no obligation to discuss what happened yesterday just because she stands for anti-racism, or indeed because she’s Black.

*I agree she is not under any obligation at all and I apologise for implying that*
I hope you understand where I was coming from... she has obsessed about this for weeks now and has been non-stop on her stories writing long messages about the situation, when there are, in my opinion, far more important things happening in the world, and far more struggles/ injustices going on, whether that is the pandemic, mental health crisis or anything else. I am saying that as someone who does not believe her work was intentionally "copied" or "plagiarised", and that it is coincidental, same style of instagram feminism they have both profited from, FG has correctly referenced and credited Chidera and undoubtedly lead to more sales of her 2018& 2020 books... I think Chidera should step-down from asking for 100% with book pulled or 70% book stays, because that is totally totally unwarranted.

 

[champagnemami99]

This is so funny why would she endorse or comment on something she hasn’t read

I sent a message the other day saying “do you not think comparing Florence to a rapist is a bit far?”
And got blocked

 

[iknowevery1]

Her latest reel is so annoying I feel like she’s just trying way too hard now like why is her vagina always open like that

 

[korma]

If anything she's making sales out of using Florence's name, surely? "If you enjoyed FG you'll LOVE this!" is literally a sales tactic lmao, it's driving traffic to her page so literally creating revenue for her. Why complain lol.

 

[hazelnot]

Ooo no I’ve kept reading, not come across anything conspiracist (unless you count a lot of descriptions of her as a neoliberalist? I’m too thick to connect those dots myself and work out what’s being referred to) but there is a pretty glaring lack of addressing sociological factors in the whole “you can heal yourself” diatribe. Which is very problematic on its own.

 

[Mrs_Frankie]

LoudBossyGross' gofundme. See the screenshot. It's public for all to see - just Google "loudbossygross gofundme". And she's taking donations through PayPal as well so the true figure will be even higher.

Thanks for sharing this

 

[jobrandsredhair]

the dancing winds me up

 

[korma]

I literally want to ban Florence from styling her hair with heat. It looked so fried in her Brits look

 

[hhheyyyy]

Has anyone seen this thread? Florence has been in loads of pictures and videos with this guy. He sounds like a creep! Am quite surprised she hasn’t spoken up

still shocked she’s not addressed this. She’s posted zak Nimmo a few times on her story and she’s been on his loads, as someone who’s supposed to be queen feminist I’m surprised she’s not publicly condemning him. Probably hopes nobody remembers she was associated with him once

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Lol. I now notice that loudbossygross only pops up on insta stories when Chidera is on hers going on a rant. Trying to get clout from her

Just seen the latest from the slumflower, is this honestly still going on? I find her victim mentality and unprofessionalism too much

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

You’ve articulated my thoughts perfectly - I can’t understand how she’s demanding a BLM landing page in lieu of doing her actual job she’s paid to do, I would have nipped that in the bud as well.

 

[champagnemami99]

As far as I know no. Munroe has liked a tweet saying how it is purely money grabbing.

I am honestly shocked she is asking the book to be pulled! Who does she think she is... a publisher is not going to pull a book without legal grounds. She is not taking action in the real world though is she she is just staying on Instagram

 

[catscradle]

Yes I honestly think Chidera is going too far!! To me she sounds anti-white... I’m a huge advocate for Black Lives Matter and fighting against the social injustice we see, but calling FG a rapist??! Saying all white people are racist?!

I know this subject is SO sensitive but I think the powers at play between the books are not black woman VS white woman.
it is one book vs another similar book

FGs book is correctly referenced and also includes a lot of unique first hand experiences from FG, there are many softwares to detect plagiarism and the two texts are similar but different enough.

Honestly, getting so annoyed at Chidera claiming she invented feminism and being anti-men?!!

As you all know, this is quite soft language for Chidera, but im sure I’m not the only one who thinks the way she is going about this is unwarranted and extreme?

Imagine all authors with similar books did this

Yeah, I think it's her rhetoric that gives me pause...it's so antagonistic and tbh just turns people off. Agree with what you're saying.

 

[dalmatirox]

I dont follow her on anything but still got served an add she did for fkin sharpie

Her hair looks like shit and shes still a total narcissist

 

[lemonpeach]

I think race comes into it only because it is easier to do the above to marginalised people. And it hurts more when someone does this to you when they have things easier in life generally. Think high school bully stealing your best friend lol.

Again, I don't love either of them but I really dislike Florence. Her style of feminism is very performative and about her. I think the Slumflower too is not the best role model but I think she had every right to speak up about the way she felt, given the way Diving Bell were treating her - again absolutely appalling and it is the main reason I am SO disappointed by other influencers under them - if not wanting to take sides for Florence or Chidera I feel they should all be standing against Diving Bell.

yeah I totally get what you’re saying re: the race aspect making it easier to plagiarise or copy or whatever we wanna call it, from marginalised people. My issue is less so what CE herself is saying as such and more the kind of DMs she is getting from white women who I feel are trying to over compensate for white guilt and using this as an opportunity to prove they’re not racist, eg the example attached.

absolutely agree about diving bell, I think looking at the bigger picture of this situation, regardless of whether FG copied her or not, the actions of diving bell have been so shitty. And definitely agree with what you’re saying about other influencers on their books - I can understand them not wanting to publicly take sides in the copying claim (I’m sure they know lots that we don’t about both sides) but it is really disappointing that they haven’t said anything about the way Diving Bell has treated/spoken to Slumflower. I know I said it in my last post but that email she shared last night from that man was actually so horrible.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Where are you getting these figures? Nobody os making 3k/4k a week from acreenahots. Also there is no way this drama is driving up Chidera's book sales in any significant way.

It’s driving up her social media followers according to social blade, Florence has lost thousands per day.

 

[Crumpet41]

I’m sure it’s now some sort of TM now