You were not harsh at all. Good discussions and varying opinions are how we all learn and grow!There’s other therapies such as OT to help w/ sensory stuff, as part of the reason autistuc people, including Abbie, act out is because they’re bored. Many people on this forum have rightly pointed out that she doesn’t have much to do to engage herself, and this could be one reason why she is acting out. Also due to ABA being abusive in the first place, some of it could be a result of stress and pushback, such as communication. We also know that she doesn’t really get much of a chance to properly communicate, as when she was younger her parents didn’t seem to have taught her that much, or have taught her very well...
Also meltdowns and sensory overload can play a part in behaviours - even FA has mentioned this despite how much we criticise the family, they still have had *some* good insights every now and again, especially in the early days. Also one more thing, re ABA, it often only takes the parents wishes into mind and many autistic people have said the therapy is “to the child” not “with the child”, and often doesn’t respect autonomy, such as how people always touch Abbie, tickle her (in earlier videos Brandi and other therapists do this) etc
I’m sorry if I was being harsh in my reply to you, but it’s just that many autistic people don’t get listened to and only the “experts” do. I’m also not claiming I know of all therapies and practices, as I’m only a young adult and have thankfully not had any of these therapies. But that was one of the first things that turned me away from FA was seeing Abbie’s discomfort and realising I would hate these things for me. Many other autistic people, in this forum and elsewhere have said the same thing too. Thank you for being so open and willing to learn in your reply, there’s lots of great writings by autistic people and lots of articles analysising (sic) ABA and FA etc, if I find any I can.
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Exactly, this isnt Abbie, this is Asa and Priscilla. She needed help longggg ago and didnt get it. I remember a VLOG shot a her parents home, and they showed a windowsill that Abbie had destroyed by eating it when she was little. Not scratchs...it looked as if an animal bit this wood out. I was floored. The damage was extreme when you realized that a child was using her teeth to do it. Yes, she has PICA, but where was the supervision? This kid literally ATE a windowsill. That is so dangerous.I don’t think I’ve seen anyone calling her an animal. Animalistic and feral like - yes. Which is true. Her own parents call her “wild.” The definition of feral child is basically a wild child. I think since her parents never gave a shit about teaching her basic manners and just watch her act however which way she wanted, it’s now too late to get her to stop taking peoples food and eating in a feral manner. They put that out there for the world to see, and we’re talking how we see it. Sorry not sorry. If you can prompt unloading a dishwasher, you can prompt how to properly eat and somewhat behave.
Yeah.Exactly, this isnt Abbie, this is Asa and Priscilla. She needed help longggg ago and didnt get it. I remember a VLOG shot a her parents home, and they showed a windowsill that Abbie had destroyed by eating it when she was little. Not scratchs...it looked as if an animal bit this wood out. I was floored. The damage was extreme when you realized that a child was using her teeth to do it. Yes, she has PICA, but where was the supervision? This kid literally ATE a windowsill. That is so dangerous.
It’s crazy that almost everyday she is late but at least one of the parents have been up since early in the morning ... so wtf. Start getting her backpack and stuff ready instead of vlogging complaining about being up cause of her. Fucking idiots. How many tries does it take to get that shit right?I have to agree with some people on here, if i was on a boat or in a restaurant and was seated next to Abbie, i would leave or ask to have them leave. That's in no way Abbie's fault but i don't think it's okay for other people to have their dinner or trip ruined because Abbie goes to grab your food or poops all over a boat.
It's seriously the most ridiculous thing ever, Abbie doesn't care where she swims or where she eats so why take her out when she clearly is not ready for that? You can call it ABA or therapy all you want but it's simply them expecting everyone to schedule their lives around theirs. When i take my nephew out (he is around the same mental age as Abbie) i don't take him somewhere i know he won't be comfortable or where he will "ruin" other peoples days. Even the people who are very supportive and nice about it shouldn't have to deal with my nephew singing let it go at full volume (he loves that song but has no understanding of social situations or the concept of "inside voice").
They let out a sigh of relief every time Abbie doesn't steal food, yells or does something disruptive, that alone should tell them she isn't ready. When you get to a point when behaviors are an exception, not the standard you can start taking her to places (preferably places she actually enjoys).
The tardiness at school annoys the crap out of me mostly because it isn't necessary. If they would just leave the damm camera at home they would be able to take her to school on time and i don't know talk to her while she is in the car. But no, the vlog is more important than the start of her school day. I don't mind them being late because Abbie has a rough morning, that happens but more often than not they seem to be late because they don't plan and prioritize their content over her being on time. Once again proving they feel like the world revolves around them.
Might I add ... I have no kids but when going out with friends and their kids, we always make it a point to go somewhere that is “kid friendly” and already loud so they are not a nuisance. I personally can’t stand crying babies and kids running around. Imagine a teenage kid coming and stealing my food after yelling all night? I’d be mad afI have to agree with some people on here, if i was on a boat or in a restaurant and was seated next to Abbie, i would leave or ask to have them leave. That's in no way Abbie's fault but i don't think it's okay for other people to have their dinner or trip ruined because Abbie goes to grab your food or poops all over a boat.
It's seriously the most ridiculous thing ever, Abbie doesn't care where she swims or where she eats so why take her out when she clearly is not ready for that? You can call it ABA or therapy all you want but it's simply them expecting everyone to schedule their lives around theirs. When i take my nephew out (he is around the same mental age as Abbie) i don't take him somewhere i know he won't be comfortable or where he will "ruin" other peoples days. Even the people who are very supportive and nice about it shouldn't have to deal with my nephew singing let it go at full volume (he loves that song but has no understanding of social situations or the concept of "inside voice").
They let out a sigh of relief every time Abbie doesn't steal food, yells or does something disruptive, that alone should tell them she isn't ready. When you get to a point when behaviors are an exception, not the standard you can start taking her to places (preferably places she actually enjoys).
The tardiness at school annoys the crap out of me mostly because it isn't necessary. If they would just leave the damm camera at home they would be able to take her to school on time and i don't know talk to her while she is in the car. But no, the vlog is more important than the start of her school day. I don't mind them being late because Abbie has a rough morning, that happens but more often than not they seem to be late because they don't plan and prioritize their content over her being on time. Once again proving they feel like the world revolves around them.
Do you remember which one this was?? That’s scary as hellExactly, this isnt Abbie, this is Asa and Priscilla. She needed help longggg ago and didnt get it. I remember a VLOG shot a her parents home, and they showed a windowsill that Abbie had destroyed by eating it when she was little. Not scratchs...it looked as if an animal bit this wood out. I was floored. The damage was extreme when you realized that a child was using her teeth to do it. Yes, she has PICA, but where was the supervision? This kid literally ATE a windowsill. That is so dangerous.
Most of these kids are miserable. I bet they wonder "why? why are you doing this to me?"I was watching this video and when they are on the roller coaster ride the lady doing this video shows Abbie and A. Abbie is clinging onto A for dear life and there is no smiles on her face, just pure terror. Meanwhile he's sitting in the car with his selfystick and camera in hand to get "the shot."
Agreed. Its a fine line though, because my daughter is happiest sat at home on her iPad chilling in the sensory room, but you have a need in you to try and push the boundaries, autism is primarily a lack of social communication condition, and by keeping them in a solitary environment 24/7 even if thats what they would prefer only feeds the disorder.Most of these kids are miserable. I bet they wonder "why? why are you doing this to me?"
It's torture for the kids. I don't know the little boy's name, but he was not enjoying Thunder Mountain at all.Most of these kids are miserable. I bet they wonder "why? why are you doing this to me?"
It’s up on Facebook. Maverick is getting lots of attention.....all of a sudden.Also there isn't a vlog up yet, strange goings on in the Maass household today. Maybe they ran out of things to talk about/exploit.
Your last bit about harmful stims is true, but often some therapists such as OT or PT can help redirect those stims or understand why they’re happening, eg distress etcYou were not harsh at all. Good discussions and varying opinions are how we all learn and grow!
I 100% agree that communication is a huge barrier for Abbie. Its just my opinion but perhaps that is because she went to public school without the proper services she needed until she was 9 or 10. Coupled with IDD, I think that even the Maass' best efforts to teach her were not enough.
As a parent myself I cant imagine the difficult choices that have to be made. But, since I am a parent, I wouldnt necessarily care if my child made eye contact or accepted hugs. I would however want them to be able to go out in the world with proper coping skills. I wouldnt want them hurting herself or others or stealing their food, or have the yelling stim disrupt experiences that other people have the right to enjoy as well. We have seen her progress so it is possible, For example, as little as one year ago she was still biting herself, gagging herself, or attacking others to the point that Asa made a hoodie that had PVC pipes in the sleeves. By wearing it, she could not bend her arms and could not gag or bite herself or hit others. Biting and gagging herself is clearly a sensory issue and harmful, and the hoodie would be considered ABA...modifying that behavior by blocking it. Is that cruel? I mean, I wouldnt want my child harming herself because it "feels good". Its such a fine line, and I appreciate you giving me some research to do!
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Abbie got sent to her room for yelling - all of a sudden she is being reprimanded for this.It’s up on Facebook. Maverick is getting lots of attention.....all of a sudden.
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