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she didn’t start to cry until Ass said they have been saying hurtful things about her, and again when she said they emailed I bad things about them(her). I think she has as many narcissistic traits as him.
I think Prilly is extremely insecure and angry deep down.

And I dont even believe they were emailing Isaiah or Sunmer. He says so but he could be playing that for sympathy. I dont trust him
 
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Ok, never saw that one! My heart was actually pounding watching this...que the camera on P a sweaty mess! Guys no wonder this woman eats, drinks,what a life, I’m thanking god for my life right now, I couldn’t do it either, Abbie def runs that roost
Seeing Abbie act like this makes me think she knows exactly what she's doing.

Does she in all honesty think this is cute???
I would think so since she keeps doing them.
 
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I swear that blue and white striped sweater Thummer has is the only thing she owns. She wears it constantly. She must not have any nice clothes. Such a nice shape and always looks like a slob.
 
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So please don't feel censored because people strongly disagree with your opinion, please. Just carry on with yer bad self.
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Lol this sounds like a passive aggressive Cilla
 
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ImNosy - I noticed your Nature Valley Crunchy avatar.
Coincidence or tribute to a certain someone who's name we all know?
 
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Question for you. Given what you know about Abbie and her parents and what they do or do not do to help her...do you feel she could have been in an at least somewhat better state than she is now? And do you believe that better to try to teach her proper ex


Hotographer......I just love it...
she got all gussied up!
Could you rephrase your question please? :) I think what you're trying to ask is how Abbie could've been better? Well for starters, when they first started vlogging and autistic people started commenting saying what helped and what didn't, they could've listened to those comments. Also not filming her meltdowns and using the puzzle piece and not supporting Autism $peaks. And connecting with actually autistic adults for advice.

And not doing ABA (which I know is a controversial opinion, but only amongst non-autistic people, because for YEARS (and even now!) non-autistic (aka NT) people think that they know more about autism that one who is actually autistic. Therefore they think they can decide which therapies are best etc, yet for years on end autistic people have been saying that ABA is harmful (it causes OCD, PTSD, eating issues, anxiety, depression, etc, eg Carly Fleischmann has said she has this due to her ABA).

Yet NT's try and say 'oh it's not all bad' or 'oh my ABA is gentle' etc. But I have seen even Brandi (who generally seems to be a nice, caring person) not react in the way that you would, eg stopping Abbie from stimming, looking into her eyes too close, etc. There's a reason why autistic people don't become successful ABA therapists, in case anyone is wondering 'oh why doesn't an autistic person try this therapy, since they know what autism is like'. But their understanding of the behaviour and why it's happening and how it can be helped is different to the code of conduct in ABA therapy. Eg one time Brandi was telling Abbie 'quiet hands' when they were out at a donut store and Abbie started getting more and more stressed (imo).

This was because she needed to stim to regulate and calm herself in the busy shop, but Brandi and her ABA practice has ingrained in her that 'noisy hands' is automatically bad and needs to be stopped so Abbie can focus. A$$a and P do this too because of what ABA has taught them. Whereas an autistic ABA therapist (and plenty have tried!) would not have done that because they know why stimming is needed, and instead of just telling someone to not show distress, they would have found out what was causing the distress and changed that, therefore listening to the internal autistic experience, not just the visible, outside behaviours, therefore no distress, but it would've been against what the "therapy" is for, and so they would be forced/pushed to resign.

I know people in this group won't like me writing this, but please read the links I have down below, I didn't even know ABA existed until last year, but I *educated* myself, and I remember deep down, when I watched Fathering Autism, that something wasn't right, that how they were treating Abbie wasn't right, and gave me panic attacks sometimes (like when they restrain her, or when I can see that she's doing something a certain way but people aren't realising what they're doing is probably going to be causing her even more distress, and soon I realised and learned that this isn't normal (or is meant to be, at least).

Often people in general who try to say something is shut down because the OP (in general) thinks they know better, but that's only because of *observation* not *experience*. So people need to read #ActuallyAutistic people's experiences and what the main goals of the therapy are. (Also fun fact: the creator of gay conversion therapy was also the creator of ABA. )And when places call themselves ABA for insurance (apparently they do in the US) then this sucks too because it's (imo) still giving a small positive light on ABA. There's plenty of autistic people and their analysis' of ABA to read, and many other things people can do to help their children that people like the Maa$$' don't listen to.

I also believe this is why Abbie is so food motivated and wants a reward for something, this is another key part of ABA. Many times I've read other member's posts about how it sucks that if Abbie doesn't get what she wants she throws a fit. And yes I agree it's horrible. And her portion sizes are outrageous. But that's probably happened before - using food for a treat - because what ABA does is it uses something you like against you to get something out of you. This is shown in the LANDing Crew's videos where the mom actually stopped ABA because the therapist were trying to use Liam's (youngest kid) dinosaur toy to reinforce eye contact, something autistic people are famous for disliking! A lot of meltdowns autistic people experience can be avoided if the people around them actually engaged with them and tried to figure out/solve the root cause of the problem, not just focusing on trying to change the behaviour.

I'm sorry for my long post, and I probably won't post one this long again, but I just had to say something after not saying much on the matter for months. This is one way the Maa$$' could do better, and autistic people have repeatedly been saying exactly what I just said for *months* if not *years* to them - I'm not saying anything new to them, and they'll probably just roll their eyes or even skim past my post. But I hope some of you will engage in #ActuallyAutistic writings and material (it's not all ABA based btw) because it's truly wonderful and very insightful to read, even if you're not autistic yourself. At least do it for the loved ones in your life who are autistic. x :)

 
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I may be wrong here but to me using the IPad gets her results. Food, music, an action. Getting a spoon or fork is work.
Very good point.

I wonder if it is due to the affects of the years of ABA therapy, that Asa loves so much (yet so many actual Autistic people hate and despise)?

Abbie seems to dislike and become anxious doing even simple tasks, maybe she does see everything as a chore? ABA therapy seems very chore oriented, even though there are "reinforcements" and rewards, it doesn't look as though Abbie enjoys their approach, to me. She seems to function in a mode like: being asked to do something = chore = restraint = frustration = anger = unhappiness + candy + breaks + treats

Somehow she has to try and get to the plus items, sometimes it means just doing the chore, sometimes it means tantrum or meltdown instead.

She is now has a horrible addiction to candy, constantly seeks "breaks" or "bathroom" as an escape, and used to meltdown, cry and/or run when she saw Brandi or her car, at the old house.

Even in the new house, I recall at the end of their holiday break, they were sitting on the couch and Asa told Abbie that Brandi would be coming in a few days...... Abbie looked straight at him and started pointed shaking her head "no" and her eyes looked fearful. I felt so bad for her.

Many Autistic people feel that ABA is abuse. Many families look to their children's response to the therapies and then try and decide what's the best for their children.

Is that what Asa and Prissy did?

I think that they enjoy the chore system and are hoping a day will come when Abbie can do all the laundry, vacuuming and dishwasher chores. Prisilly hates doing them and their laundry room from the old house until now has always been a mess, even though she doesn't work. Asa doesn't seem to do any chores around the house unless he's pretending to fix something. They also enjoy the break that they get when Abbie is at ABA school and in her therapies.

Needing a break, Understandable.

But is ABA the only option? Is ABA the best option for Abbie? I think that they should reevaluate that, and I am only just learning about these things.

Someone here recently mentioned being an Autism specialist and that at their school ABA was an option and that most parents didn't choose it.

Isn't it bad enough that they are exploiting Abbie on the internet for money and using her and "Autism" as a brand to get rich off of? They also want her cleaning their house and doing their chores?? I understand the need for life skills, but there are so many essential things being neglected regarding her (ex. communication, her obvious health issues, personal hygiene, sensory needs)

Is this why Abbie cries when she has to return home from being away? Is never excited about going to her ABA school?? Requests candy and break during and after everything she does? Is she equating everything to the ABA system she has been trained in??

I don't know, but I wonder. Can anyone give any insight on this?

Assy's arrogance and narcissim is so blinding that he can only see things in terms of what he wants and what validates him. He doesn't care how many Autistic people hate ABA, he doesn't look at how it affects Abbie. It was his decision to get her the ABA therapy and he is sticking to it because he is always right. The latest video about her loading the dishwasher without heavy prompting, had to become a "see I'm right about ABA" plug. :rolleyes:

What else have they explored? Autism is different for each individual, her IDD is a big factor so one cannot make comparisons. However, it is interesting to see other families using simple schedules, calendars, amazing sensory rooms, the recent post here about the two twin boys with their unique therapy.....

All the money that Abbie brings in for them goes to DD, big meals and take out, vlog equipment, useless trips, a pyramid scam, Holly Lobby, big cars, an untrained live-in caregiver (Summer) that doesn't do any therapies with Abbie, only tickling and laughing AT her in my opinion.

Of course they didn't bring in a trained professional to live with them and help with Abbie. No, they found their match in a young lady who they know and can easily manipulate and train to do things THEIR way. Plus Sum-thighs-bum prances around half naked, loves the camera and is into their "show", that's gotta be a plus, right Doughboy ;).

What planet is this train wreck of a family on, they think that they are on track of success, they are on the track of failure and they are too arrogant to see it.
 
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@cucumber If the question is:what could have A&P done better to help Abbie, when she was younger?

There is a lot they could have done!!!

I don’t know about the whole ABA thing. We never did ABA therapy with any of our 4 kids.. It wasn’t that I was against it but I wasn’t comfortable with my child going into a one-on-one setting, for hours a day, going through frustrations.. Back many years ago, they didn’t have home based ABA in our area and it was only offered that way..

I will say though, OT, PT and Speech should have been started when Abbie was 12-18 months old, when they first seen her not developing properly and she probably had a developmental delay diagnosis. That diagnosis would have covered her therapies, along with Asa’s medical insurance through the coast guard (or his VA benefits).

With these services, they needed to jump in and do the homework inbetween visits.. PT would help with balancing and coordination. OT would have helped with sensory issues, impulses, and even using her iPad or voice devices.. Speech would have helped with her sensory for foods, speech sounds and also using her iPad or voice devices...

At 3 years old, she would have qualified for early intervention services through their school district. If she went, they still needed to keep up her private therapies. It seems like when Abbie hit the public schools, if they had private therapies, they stopped those.. Public school doesn’t substitute what the private therapies can do... Also, when Abbie came to the shop in the afternoon, one of them, either A or P, needed to put down their shop responsibilities for the afternoon, done dinner with the kids and completed homework.. Abbie should have been going to the therapist offices in the afternoon and them working with her, one-on-one too... The room in the back of the shop, didn’t need to ever happen.. If paperwork needed to be done, like P did, close the front office at 5pm, take the kids and paperwork home, after the kids went to bed, stayed up and did it from home...

Also, your family comes first P... You can be the best person on volunteering in every group and heading each office that you want but at the end of the day, your house comes first and if it is burning down, you need to handle that first... It seems like she didn’t get taught that growing up...

From there, I could literally go on and on but gosh, just these small changes would have made Abbie be in such a better position than she is now...
 
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There has been talk around here about whether Abbie had even visited the dentist or the optometrist within recent years.

My dental hygienist cringes whenever she sees people do that stereotypical back-and-forth movement brushing their teeth. This pushes plaque around; as opposed to doing a sweeping down-off-the gums motion 5 or so times per tooth which pushes it off. Asa does the former with Abbie. Her sugar-heavy diet certainly warrants a trip to the dentist.

If they had taken Abbie to the dentist, I'm positive they'd have filmed it for content. The average person is supposed to get a cleaning twice a year. Cilla's teeth we know are in poor condition.

As for the optometrist, a user on this very forum speculated that perhaps Abbie was having vision issues. After all, Autistic people need glasses sometimes or contacts like the NT population does. Not every Autistic individual who squints is doing so for stimming reasons. Sometimes they legitimately can't see properly. If they had taken her to get her eyes tested, I'm sure we would have seen it.

I suspect Priscilla is afraid of doctors because they aren't going to mince words. They told her (was it before her surgery?) that they didn't approve of her diet. Instead, she just keeps on after a brief interlude of attempting to do better.

She reminds me of this woman who was a friend of my childhood best friend's mother. She was horrendously overweight, so much so that she couldn't fit in cinema seats, airline seats and broke the toilet seat at their home once. She too refused to see doctors because she didn't want them to tell her the truth.

This fear led to her early death. She started feeling very unwell with persistent symptoms, until she could no longer ignore them. It was Stage IV cancer. There was little they could do for her at that point.
 
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Very good point.

I wonder if it is due to the affects of the years of ABA therapy, that Asa loves so much (yet so many actual Autistic people hate and despise)?

Abbie seems to dislike and become anxious doing even simple tasks, maybe she does see everything as a chore? ABA therapy seems very chore oriented, even though there are "reinforcements" and rewards, it doesn't look as though Abbie enjoys their approach, to me. She seems to function in a mode like: being asked to do something = chore = restraint = frustration = anger = unhappiness + candy + breaks + treats

Somehow she has to try and get to the plus items, sometimes it means just doing the chore, sometimes it means tantrum or meltdown instead.

She is now has a horrible addiction to candy, constantly seeks "breaks" or "bathroom" as an escape, and used to meltdown, cry and/or run when she saw Brandi or her car, at the old house.

Even in the new house, I recall at the end of their holiday break, they were sitting on the couch and Asa told Abbie that Brandi would be coming in a few days...... Abbie looked straight at him and started pointed shaking her head "no" and her eyes looked fearful. I felt so bad for her.

Many Autistic people feel that ABA is abuse. Many families look to their children's response to the therapies and then try and decide what's the best for their children.

Is that what Asa and Prissy did?

I think that they enjoy the chore system and are hoping a day will come when Abbie can do all the laundry, vacuuming and dishwasher chores. Prisilly hates doing them and their laundry room from the old house until now has always been a mess, even though she doesn't work. Asa doesn't seem to do any chores around the house unless he's pretending to fix something. They also enjoy the break that they get when Abbie is at ABA school and in her therapies.

Needing a break, Understandable.

But is ABA the only option? Is ABA the best option for Abbie? I think that they should reevaluate that, and I am only just learning about these things.

Someone here recently mentioned being an Autism specialist and that at their school ABA was an option and that most parents didn't choose it.

Isn't it bad enough that they are exploiting Abbie on the internet for money and using her and "Autism" as a brand to get rich off of? They also want her cleaning their house and doing their chores?? I understand the need for life skills, but there are so many essential things being neglected regarding her (ex. communication, her obvious health issues, personal hygiene, sensory needs)

Is this why Abbie cries when she has to return home from being away? Is never excited about going to her ABA school?? Requests candy and break during and after everything she does? Is she equating everything to the ABA system she has been trained in??

I don't know, but I wonder. Can anyone give any insight on this?

Assy's arrogance and narcissim is so blinding that he can only see things in terms of what he wants and what validates him. He doesn't care how many Autistic people hate ABA, he doesn't look at how it affects Abbie. It was his decision to get her the ABA therapy and he is sticking to it because he is always right. The latest video about her loading the dishwasher without heavy prompting, had to become a "see I'm right about ABA" plug. :rolleyes:

What else have they explored? Autism is different for each individual, her IDD is a big factor so one cannot make comparisons. However, it is interesting to see other families using simple schedules, calendars, amazing sensory rooms, the recent post here about the two twin boys with their unique therapy.....

All the money that Abbie brings in for them goes to DD, big meals and take out, vlog equipment, useless trips, a pyramid scam, Holly Lobby, big cars, an untrained live-in caregiver (Summer) that doesn't do any therapies with Abbie, only tickling and laughing AT her in my opinion.

Of course they didn't bring in a trained professional to live with them and help with Abbie. No, they found their match in a young lady who they know and can easily manipulate and train to do things THEIR way. Plus Sum-thighs-bum prances around half naked, loves the camera and is into their "show", that's gotta be a plus, right Doughboy ;).

What planet is this train wreck of a family on, they think that they are on track of success, they are on the track of failure and they are too arrogant to see it.
YESSSS! Finally someone else on this forum understands! Are you autistic, or do you just have a family member? I absolute adore your profile picture by the way! I think that even though Abbie may very well have IDD, she could very likely have OCD from all the years of therapy. I mean, like I said before, Carly is a great example. Because ABA wants you to do something "perfectly" to fit in, and if you don't get your "treat" you get ignored, try to communicate your distress, and still get hurt, or you just get pushed to do it again. Also the heavy prompting takes away her autonomy, I've seen plenty of times where she's actually pushed other people's hands away but they still try to "help" and then they wonder why she gets so distressed. I'm not 100% sure on the OCD one, because I honestly don't know that much about OCD, but I'm going to read up on that later...I think your first paragraph explained everything better than my entire post! :) *starry eyed emoji* (I'm on my laptop lol!)

@cucumber If the question is:what could have A&P done better to help Abbie, when she was younger?

There is a lot they could have done!!!

I don’t know about the whole ABA thing. We never did ABA therapy with any of our 4 kids.. It wasn’t that I was against it but I wasn’t comfortable with my child going into a one-on-one setting, for hours a day, going through frustrations.. Back many years ago, they didn’t have home based ABA in our area and it was only offered that way..

I will say though, OT, PT and Speech should have been started when Abbie was 12-18 months old, when they first seen her not developing properly and she probably had a developmental delay diagnosis. That diagnosis would have covered her therapies, along with Asa’s medical insurance through the coast guard (or his VA benefits).

With these services, they needed to jump in and do the homework inbetween visits.. PT would help with balancing and coordination. OT would have helped with sensory issues, impulses, and even using her iPad or voice devices.. Speech would have helped with her sensory for foods, speech sounds and also using her iPad or voice devices...

At 3 years old, she would have qualified for early intervention services through their school district. If she went, they still needed to keep up her private therapies. It seems like when Abbie hit the public schools, if they had private therapies, they stopped those.. Public school doesn’t substitute what the private therapies can do... Also, when Abbie came to the shop in the afternoon, one of them, either A or P, needed to put down their shop responsibilities for the afternoon, done dinner with the kids and completed homework.. Abbie should have been going to the therapist offices in the afternoon and them working with her, one-on-one too... The room in the back of the shop, didn’t need to ever happen.. If paperwork needed to be done, like P did, close the front office at 5pm, take the kids and paperwork home, after the kids went to bed, stayed up and did it from home...

Also, your family comes first P... You can be the best person on volunteering in every group and heading each office that you want but at the end of the day, your house comes first and if it is burning down, you need to handle that first... It seems like she didn’t get taught that growing up...

From there, I could literally go on and on but gosh, just these small changes would have made Abbie be in such a better position than she is now...
I agree with you! Although all autistic people need to make sure they find themselves a speech therapist who values AAC, not just speech (which from past videos, I think theirs did :) )
And also just be super cautious with the phrase "early intervention" because often it can entail long hours (30-40 for a little kid!) and make the kid develop faster than they are ready...but I love your post too! Also the bit about Abbie crying when she saw Brandi, gosh I hadn't remembered about that, that's super sad and worrying that A$$a and P didn't pick up on that.
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YESSSS! Finally someone else on this forum understands! Are you autistic, or do you just have a family member? I absolute adore your profile picture by the way! I think that even though Abbie may very well have IDD, she could very likely have OCD from all the years of therapy. I mean, like I said before, Carly is a great example. Because ABA wants you to do something "perfectly" to fit in, and if you don't get your "treat" you get ignored, try to communicate your distress, and still get hurt, or you just get pushed to do it again. Also the heavy prompting takes away her autonomy, I've seen plenty of times where she's actually pushed other people's hands away but they still try to "help" and then they wonder why she gets so distressed. I'm not 100% sure on the OCD one, because I honestly don't know that much about OCD, but I'm going to read up on that later...I think your first paragraph explained everything better than my entire post! :) *starry eyed emoji* (I'm on my laptop lol!)


I agree with you! Although all autistic people need to make sure they find themselves a speech therapist who values AAC, not just speech (which from past videos, I think theirs did :) )
And also just be super cautious with the phrase "early intervention" because often it can entail long hours (30-40 for a little kid!) and make the kid develop faster than they are ready...but I love your post too! Also the bit about Abbie crying when she saw Brandi, gosh I hadn't remembered about that, that's super sad and worrying that A$$a and P didn't pick up on that.
:)
Early intervention usually doesn’t start at 30-40 hours or shouldn’t... When our oldest daughter stopped all vocalizations at 2-1/2 years old, we started in on speech therapy. We started off with a combo of AAC and ASL, 1 hour, twice a week, with 3-4 breaks every session and I was in the session with her, learning what they were doing... I would sit back and quietly watched, take notes, use any hand outs and learned ASL at night, by books from the library... As she got a few months older, it would become 5 days a week, adding in more and more days... More breaks as she needed them.. As she got to be 3-1/2, we got her within a school setting, 30 hours a week of speech with a 1 hour break (30 mins for lunch and 30 minutes with NT children).. At this stage, she started learning how to control her voice and pitches and relearned how to talk, after our doctors at the time, never expected her to talk.. We continued with her private therapies though (she was also getting OT and PT, twice a week, from the age of 3)... We just cut back private speech to 2 times a week, when she started becoming more vocal.... This is fully with a developmental delay diagnosis too.. Our daughter’s ASD diagnosis didn’t happen until the age of 7 (educationally) and 11 (medically)..
I never expected her to develop faster than she needed.. I had many talks with her therapist on what we would be working on. I would study what she should be doing and making sure they were feeling in the gaps.. Also, if my child ever vocalized like Abbie did, when she was told about her therapist coming or is going to see her therapist, we would be finding a new therapist ASAP or taking a break from therapies for a while.. That is one thing that I don’t hear that they have done.. It is very common for there to be “breaks” in therapy... A&P talk about reducing times but how about 2-3 month breaks..
Before you blast me about schedules, here me out!! We all get tired or doing the same thing, day in and day out, especially when it is difficult for us to do. Abbie doing therapy is the same way.. Scheduling is huge in my house too.. My kids thrive on it but when I see them get frustrated constantly with a therapist, when they start having meltdowns constantly, etc., we knew it was time to take a break, reevaluate what we were doing and if we needed to continue, change our ways, etc.. It was more of a “step back and evaluate what is going on” time... We would talk it out and decide how to proceed. Sometimes that means just a small break and sometimes that meant replacing a therapist.. It is no offense to Brandi either, sometimes the student needs a different way of learning, no matter how good the teacher is...
Yes, I have had to change therapist, against my own wanting to change them, because my child was not jiving with a specific therapist..
 
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There has been talk around here about whether Abbie had even visited the dentist or the optometrist within recent years.

My dental hygienist cringes whenever she sees people do that stereotypical back-and-forth movement brushing their teeth. This pushes plaque around; as opposed to doing a sweeping down-off-the gums motion 5 or so times per tooth which pushes it off. Asa does the former with Abbie. Her sugar-heavy diet certainly warrants a trip to the dentist.

If they had taken Abbie to the dentist, I'm positive they'd have filmed it for content. The average person is supposed to get a cleaning twice a year. Cilla's teeth we know are in poor condition.

As for the optometrist, a user on this very forum speculated that perhaps Abbie was having vision issues. After all, Autistic people need glasses sometimes or contacts like the NT population does. Not every Autistic individual who squints is doing so for stimming reasons. Sometimes they legitimately can't see properly. If they had taken her to get her eyes tested, I'm sure we would have seen it.

I suspect Priscilla is afraid of doctors because they aren't going to mince words. They told her (was it before her surgery?) that they didn't approve of her diet. Instead, she just keeps on after a brief interlude of attempting to do better.

She reminds me of this woman who was a friend of my childhood best friend's mother. She was horrendously overweight, so much so that she couldn't fit in cinema seats, airline seats and broke the toilet seat at their home once. She too refused to see doctors because she didn't want them to tell her the truth.

This fear led to her early death. She started feeling very unwell with persistent symptoms, until she could no longer ignore them. It was Stage IV cancer. There was little they could do for her at that point.
I doubt Ab has ever seen a dentist chair given how poor her teeth continue to look as each year passes. She's even missing a tooth (could be a few, but they would most certainly never talk about it), I remember Assa noticed it in a vlog and was so passive about it. It was just like, huh...a tooth fell out. lol lol lol oh well. It was semi-recent too, while they've been in the new house. So who knows how long it had been gone. But given her diet, those teeth will just continue to worsen, especially as she heads into adulthood because no flossing or thorough teeth brushing is happening from her parents.

I know they don't want to deal with it, but they need to. Neglecting Ab's teeth is a disservice to her physical health. God forbid she ever has a tooth so rotted it's actually making her sick. Or her wisdom teeth become an issue. They would never know. Yes, she probably would have to be sedated for it, but better that than not knowing what's going on with her dental health. Or having her lose too many of her teeth.
 
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Lol, they ask people to take pictures and tag them for spirit week as if they give a tit. They probably want to be tagged for more clout. They are looking for their viral moment.
 
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I can’t keep up with these threads anymore. Just tried reading through some & I keep falling asleep! I also have zero attention span for the lengthy ones. Are you people on computers? On any particular meds? Drinking wine? How in the world?! Anyway, I think Abbie will need a support (to respite) caregiver during learning hours that is a STRONG male & taller than 5’9” to keep her in line before long.
 
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If Dummer is planning to making a living looking after special needs kids. She is gonna have to learn how to get someone out of a freaking car! Not just repeat the same thing. Giggle and make stupid noises! Ugh! 😒
 
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There has been talk around here about whether Abbie had even visited the dentist or the optometrist within recent years.

My dental hygienist cringes whenever she sees people do that stereotypical back-and-forth movement brushing their teeth. This pushes plaque around; as opposed to doing a sweeping down-off-the gums motion 5 or so times per tooth which pushes it off. Asa does the former with Abbie. Her sugar-heavy diet certainly warrants a trip to the dentist.

If they had taken Abbie to the dentist, I'm positive they'd have filmed it for content. The average person is supposed to get a cleaning twice a year. Cilla's teeth we know are in poor condition.

As for the optometrist, a user on this very forum speculated that perhaps Abbie was having vision issues. After all, Autistic people need glasses sometimes or contacts like the NT population does. Not every Autistic individual who squints is doing so for stimming reasons. Sometimes they legitimately can't see properly. If they had taken her to get her eyes tested, I'm sure we would have seen it.

I suspect Priscilla is afraid of doctors because they aren't going to mince words. They told her (was it before her surgery?) that they didn't approve of her diet. Instead, she just keeps on after a brief interlude of attempting to do better.

She reminds me of this woman who was a friend of my childhood best friend's mother. She was horrendously overweight, so much so that she couldn't fit in cinema seats, airline seats and broke the toilet seat at their home once. She too refused to see doctors because she didn't want them to tell her the truth.

This fear led to her early death. She started feeling very unwell with persistent symptoms, until she could no longer ignore them. It was Stage IV cancer. There was little they could do for her at that point.
Even when they do brush Abbie's teeth, it's not a very thorough job even using the wrong technique (from what they've shown anyway). I don't recall them EVER mentioning a dental checkup for Abbie. I think we all have a good idea that Abbie would not tolerate a dental exam very well. Even just to look in her mouth with the dental tools. Not saying this to excuse A&P - they do need to be taking her to the dentist.

In Priscilla's most recent dental fiasco, she kept saying how much avoids going to the dentist and absolutely hates going because they always end up doing fillings or pulling a tooth. So, that scares her off of going. She doesn't realize she's doing it to herself because if she maintained proper dental health at home and went for regular cleanings at the dentist, they wouldn't have to do painful/major work when she does go. There were probably numerous times where if she had been going regularly and caught a problem in the early stage, instead of waiting till it got really bad, she wouldn't be so terrified of the dentist.

I've said before that I don't believe P had the proper psychotherapy prior to her operation or even went to see a nutritionist for meal plans etc. She just figured she'd bypass all of that, pay out of pocket, and it would be this magic fix. Clearly, it isn't. I can't imagine what it costs to pay for that surgery completely on your own but I can guess it was quite a significant amount. Now she's flushing it all down the toilet - literally. You know she used $$$ from the vlogs that in actuality Abbie earned because she's the one ppl are watching for.
 
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I can’t keep up with these threads anymore. Just tried reading through some & I keep falling asleep! I also have zero attention span for the lengthy ones. Are you people on computers? On any particular meds? Drinking wine? How in the world?! Anyway, I think Abbie will need a support (to respite) caregiver during learning hours that is a male & taller than 5’9” to keep her in line before long.
I'm on a computer. lol Completely sober, thanks. lol I've got a lot to say **shrugs**. :)

If Dummer is planning to making a living looking after special needs kids. She is gonna have to learn how to get someone out of a freaking car! Not just repeat the same thing. Giggle and make stupid noises! Ugh! 😒
I wonder if maybe she felt it would be strange to be firm with Abbie in front of A&P? Really, A&P should have dealt with it and not let that awkwardness just kind of go on. I certainly would have spoken up when Abbie pushed Summer, in a serious way, not joking and playing it off.
 
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