Do you not understand removal of income aka livelihood and job, for not having a vaccine which doesn’t stop transmission, is coercion and not freedom of choice. You are justifying a consequence which feels like forcing people to take A medical procedure, injecting something into their bodies, which they do not want. This is not ok.I'd certainly take odds of 99% over 1% yes. People should be free to choose whether to have the vaccine or not. In fact that is exactly what the situation is, nobody is forcing you. However, you should also be prepared to deal with the consequences of your choice which many anti-vaxxers are not prepared to do.
No it's not cancer, sorry should have put a full stop there.It should not be a race to the bottom. The cancer treatment issue you raise is terrible and should be addressed. I'm sorry to hear you have suffered with cancer by the way, it has affected close members of my family too so you have my support in your battle against it.
You might not be able to get treatment as NHS staff that are unvaccinated won't be available to treat you. I'm not sure what you mean about flu jabs as there are campaigns every year for people to get these.
It's scary how many people think like you on this point and you're just plain wrong I'm sorry to say. The vaccines do provide a level of protection against transmissibility. Also, if fewer people are getting ill with the disease then there are fewer people passing it on to others and continuing the spread.When will the penny finally drop? The vaccine is to protect yourself and only you. Vaccine mandates make 0 sense. Where is your care and compassion for the NHS staff (like me) who do not want to take a medical treatment they don't want or don't need?
Especially at this point in time when omnicron is a mild cold even the mainstream media have pointed that out, so at this stage now the virus has mutated to virtually a sniffle what sense would even getting a vaccine now make? Absolutely none. Why are people hanging on to this pandemic, its over.
It's unpalatable, I agree but sadly I am of the view that it is necessary. If people aren't prepared to make the smallest of sacrifices of taking a vaccine to protect the most vulnerable people in their care...Do you not understand removal of income aka livelihood and job, for not having a vaccine which doesn’t stop transmission, is coercion and not freedom of choice. You are justifying a consequence which feels like forcing people to take A medical procedure, injecting something into their bodies, which they do not want. This is not ok.
If you want to put your life on hold that's your choice ,don't include everyone in that ,most people want to move on especially those with young families if the next variant comes along so be it ,people have the option of a vaccine .It's scary how many people think like you on this point and you're just plain wrong I'm sorry to say. The vaccines do provide a level of protection against transmissibility. Also, if fewer people are getting ill with the disease then there are fewer people passing it on to others and continuing the spread.
The Omicron variant does look milder which is excellent news. However, the virus will mutate again the longer it keeps circulating so there is no guarantee it won't become more deadly again.
I find it hard to have care and compassion for those who fail to show any to their patients and fellow citizens. It's a struggle but I do try to in the end which is why I don't throw insults around and make try to make the discussions I have with people civil.
But thats not happening in real life is it? Triple and double vaccinated people are spreading it like wildfire, In my team alone we have three triple vaccinated staff off isolating who have all spread it to one another.It's scary how many people think like you on this point and you're just plain wrong I'm sorry to say. The vaccines do provide a level of protection against transmissibility. Also, if fewer people are getting ill with the disease then there are fewer people passing it on to others and continuing the spread.
The Omicron variant does look milder which is excellent news. However, the virus will mutate again the longer it keeps circulating so there is no guarantee it won't become more deadly again.
I find it hard to have care and compassion for those who fail to show any to their patients and fellow citizens. It's a struggle but I do try to in the end which is why I don't throw insults around and make try to make the discussions I have with people civil.
I agree that most people do only care about themselves. Sadly that is a reflection of our society. People are free to do whatever they like but as long as they're willing to deal with the consequences of their choices.If you want to put your life on hold that's your choice ,don't include everyone in that ,most people want to move on especially those with young families if the next variant comes along so be it ,people have the option of a vaccine .
I only take the vaccine for me ! I don't expect anyone else to be responsible for my health ,the vaccines don't offer sterilising immunity so they're no good to anyone only the person taking them , you'll never stop yourself catching an airborne virus ,there is no consequences.I agree that most people do only care about themselves. Sadly that is a reflection of our society. People are free to do whatever they like but as long as they're willing to deal with the consequences of their choices.
How is taking a medical procedure with potential life changing consequences the smallest of sacrifices? For a job that pays pennies? What happens if I become vaccine injured? Will you be compensating me? I think I’m going to end this debate here its going nowhereIt's unpalatable, I agree but sadly I am of the view that it is necessary. If people aren't prepared to make the smallest of sacrifices of taking a vaccine to protect the most vulnerable people in their care...
Just think how much worse it would have been if we didn't have such high levels of vaccinated people.But thats not happening in real life is it? Triple and double vaccinated people are spreading it like wildfire, In my team alone we have three triple vaccinated staff off isolating who have all spread it to one another.
But don’t viruses mutate and become less deadly though, I thought that was basic science?
I am a hugely caring and compassionate person so I am told often by patients and my vaccine status has nothing to do with my level of care and compassion.
Not quite how I would word it but more along the lines of Omicron is a highy transmissible variant which can evade vaccines as well as previous infection.But thats not happening in real life is it? Triple and double vaccinated people are spreading it like wildfire, In my team alone we have three triple vaccinated staff off isolating who have all spread it to one another.
But don’t viruses mutate and become less deadly though, I thought that was basic science?
I am a hugely caring and compassionate person so I am told often by patients and my vaccine status has nothing to do with my level of care and compassion.
I understand the fear you feel I do but I'd ask whether you shun and avoid all forms of medicine then as there are similar and even greater risks in plenty of other everyday medicines?How is taking a medical procedure with potential life changing consequences the smallest of sacrifices? For a job that pays pennies? What happens if I become vaccine injured? Will you be compensating me? I think I’m going to end this debate here its going nowhere
I have to say this has got to be my last reply to you because I feel like you don't have an open mind.It's scary how many people think like you on this point and you're just plain wrong I'm sorry to say. The vaccines do provide a level of protection against transmissibility. Also, if fewer people are getting ill with the disease then there are fewer people passing it on to others and continuing the spread.
The Omicron variant does look milder which is excellent news. However, the virus will mutate again the longer it keeps circulating so there is no guarantee it won't become more deadly again.
I find it hard to have care and compassion for those who fail to show any to their patients and fellow citizens. It's a struggle but I do try to in the end which is why I don't throw insults around and make try to make the discussions I have with people civil.
Yeah so no point in mandating vaccines thenNot quite how I would word it but more along the lines of Omicron is a highy transmissible variant which can evade vaccines as well as previous infection.
Regarding the behaviour of viruses, it is not basic science that they become less deadly. The nature of them is unpredictable and no one can say for certain what trajectory this pandemic will follow.
The thing is, people have different opinions and viewpoints. I think you’ve been brainwashed, but I’m sure you’d disagree. You think people refusing the jab are selfish, but that’s a totally subjective point of view and others won‘t see it that way because having the jab, which isn’t actually a vaccine but a therapeutic treatment, does not stop transmission. This is a scientifically proven fact. You choose not to believe that, that’s your choice.I agree that most people do only care about themselves. Sadly that is a reflection of our society. People are free to do whatever they like but as long as they're willing to deal with the consequences of their choices.
That's true it could go either way ,but the options are the same , you can have a vaccine to possibly protect you ,nothing more.Not quite how I would word it but more along the lines of Omicron is a highy transmissible variant which can evade vaccines as well as previous infection.
Regarding the behaviour of viruses, it is not basic science that they become less deadly. The nature of them is unpredictable and no one can say for certain what trajectory this pandemic will follow.
It is a vaccine. Don’t know why you’re calling it a therapeutic treatment.The thing is, people have different opinions and viewpoints. I think you’ve been brainwashed, but I’m sure you’d disagree. You think people refusing the jab are selfish, but that’s a totally subjective point of view and others won‘t see it that way because having the jab, which isn’t actually a vaccine but a therapeutic treatment, does not stop transmission. This is a scientifically proven fact. You choose not to believe that, that’s your choice.
It's only England applying these mandates so do you think the governments / CMO's of the other nations are CT'ers ?I think my mind is as open as yours is to my view. We both hold our opinion on it and that's ok I'm not trying to change your mind we're just debating.
I know how great NHS staff, I've experienced it first hand. The way you describe your daughter, she sounds a wonderful person and I'm very grateful to her for working in such a demanding and important job. Having a vaccine is just one other step in that same role and caring attitude she is clearly already displaying. I hope she reconsiders going forward and is not affected by any measures imposed by the government on unvaccinated are workers.
I'd ask you the same question as I've asked other conspiracy theorists then; if I've been brainwashed who has done the brainwashing and what is their agenda for doing so, what do they get out of it all?The thing is, people have different opinions and viewpoints. I think you’ve been brainwashed, but I’m sure you’d disagree. You think people refusing the jab are selfish, but that’s a totally subjective point of view and others won‘t see it that way because having the jab, which isn’t actually a vaccine but a therapeutic treatment, does not stop transmission. This is a scientifically proven fact. You choose not to believe that, that’s your choice.
No, I'd be of the view that they aren't doing enough for their citizens then. Of course in a global world that impacts directly on us here too.It's only England applying these mandates so do you think the governments / CMO's of the other nations are CT'ers ?
I can assure you our government has went beyond anything the English have done ...btw I don't think they had a designated Friday night party nightI'd ask you the same question as I've asked other conspiracy theorists then; if I've been brainwashed who has done the brainwashing and what is their agenda for doing so, what do they get out of it all?
No, I'd be of the view that they aren't doing enough for their citizens then. Of course in a global world that impacts directly on us here too.
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