In a big way I agree (I constantly worry about getting the virus and passing it on at work) but this lady is breaking the rules.I’m assuming she is wearing full ppe while cutting hair though? It’s irresponsible yes but even if she went to the pub with her own household only she is still at risk just from being in the same vicinity as others. Plus what about nurses who have kids at school who are mixing together? I understand your point and this lady is clearly breaking the rules... but as someone who also works with vulnerable people I tied myself up in knots feeling guilty for doing things that were “allowed” (such as going to the gym or supermarket) and panicking that my PPE wasn’t actually doing it’s job. It is so hard to be able to leave work behind and have a balance as it is, let alone feeling like every time I have some semblance of a social life at the weekend (pre tier system!) I’m going to essentially become the grim reaper on Monday
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Totally get that perspective. Honestly I just wish we could all go back to normal so no one has to worry about who they socialise with and where, wearing masks, worrying about breaking this rule or that when they’re already unclear at times etc. Obviously we can’t right now, but it’s nice to dream. It’ll be such a weight off of everyone.I’m assuming she is wearing full ppe while cutting hair though? It’s irresponsible yes but even if she went to the pub with her own household only she is still at risk just from being in the same vicinity as others. Plus what about nurses who have kids at school who are mixing together? I understand your point and this lady is clearly breaking the rules... but as someone who also works with vulnerable people I tied myself up in knots feeling guilty for doing things that were “allowed” (such as going to the gym or supermarket) and panicking that my PPE wasn’t actually doing it’s job. It is so hard to be able to leave work behind and have a balance as it is, let alone feeling like every time I have some semblance of a social life at the weekend (pre tier system!) I’m going to essentially become the grim reaper on Monday
Well a political decision will have to be made in the next 3 or 4 months because if this tit carries on there will be hardly any economy left to go back to for the majority of ordinary people!
People also need to remember that mental health matters as well. Expecting people to go to work and do absolutely nothing else and not see their families isn’t sustainable in my opinion. A decision needs to be made at some point as a previous poster said
Exactly. It’s life, but it’s not the same as living. Mental health issues were bad enough before all this tit happened.
Completely agree. And btw I’m not someone who doesn’t take this seriously. I followed the first lockdown to a T and I’ve seen first hand the devastation this virus can cause. But we simply cannot go on like this for much longer. People simply won’t stand for it. And folk can call those people selfish and every name under the sun but I completely understand why these folk are getting frustrated by these ever changing rules.
so it looks like level 3 was working in the ROI, and we’re seeing that if the figures over the last few days....
so why move to L5 so soon
so why move to L5 so soon
I don’t know if I’m going to say something out of line here, I’m not being provocative so don’t come at me cos I’ll cry, I’m just sharing a thought I keep having...I’m really fed up with the government too and all the ever changing rules, and whilst I have pretty much kept to them I did get a bit too relaxed around some family members that I hadn’t seen all year and feel pretty bad about that now. But however fed up we are we can’t just stop following them can we. Because we’re fed up. It won’t help. It’s like if you break your leg and the dr says you need to rest it for however long it takes a leg to mend, you can’t just think I’ve had enough of this and start walking or running around. I’m not saying that with any judgement towards anyone as like I say I got too close to family (in laws, of all the people to break the rules getting close to ffs 
) but keep hearing people I know say I’ve had enough I’m not sticking to it anymore and I just think to myself, well it doesn’t work like that 
) but keep hearing people I know say I’ve had enough I’m not sticking to it anymore and I just think to myself, well it doesn’t work like that I think one big issue the majority of people have with this pandemic (and not just in the UK but other affected countries), is the inconsistency of the scientific data, how its correlated, is it "manipulated" for a political or scientific/commercial (Big Pharma) benefit, and should we follow it?I don’t know if I’m going to say something out of line here, I’m not being provocative so don’t come at me cos I’ll cry, I’m just sharing a thought I keep having...I’m really fed up with the government too and all the ever changing rules, and whilst I have pretty much kept to them I did get a bit too relaxed around some family members that I hadn’t seen all year and feel pretty bad about that now. But however fed up we are we can’t just stop following them can we. Because we’re fed up. It won’t help. It’s like if you break your leg and the dr says you need to rest it for however long it takes a leg to mend, you can’t just think I’ve had enough of this and start walking or running around. I’m not saying that with any judgement towards anyone as like I say I got too close to family (in laws, of all the people to break the rules getting close to ffs
Personally I feel this virus is no different to most other virulent viruses in the past- but we lived with those as we can live with this, but without compromising those at greatest risk, as well as preserving the economy.
My concern here is if we get over this virus what happens if another one arrives (this time made in the lab for political/idealism needs) holding the country to ransom. Do we repeat and rinse all over again?
The rich and those with influence probably won't care, but for the other 90% of us we're looking down the shitend of the barrel here.
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I think a lot of people here are just venting their frustrations. I have no choice but to take it seriously, I care for vulnerable people by profession and wouldn’t personally want to be responsible for making someone ill, especially enough that it could kill them. We do need to find a balance over time though, because if this thing isn’t going anywhere then we can’t keep hiding away in lockdown forever.
Tier 3 here and just had the news we are cancelling ALL routine orthopaedic cases ( we had halved the amount of lists) to redeploy the theatre staff to covid wards and the sister hospitals itu.
I need to find a new career, I’m not changing jobs every winter putting myself and family at risk
I need to find a new career, I’m not changing jobs every winter putting myself and family at risk
I do wonder if there will be a point that the government just go “okay, covid is still here but we are ending lockdown... you’re on your own” 
Realistically we can’t go on forever like this but what if there is never a vaccine? Won’t there have to come a point where we give up and let the virus win?! Not that I want that! Do viruses just ever die out of their own accord? I know swine flu did but that wasn’t so severe
Realistically we can’t go on forever like this but what if there is never a vaccine? Won’t there have to come a point where we give up and let the virus win?! Not that I want that! Do viruses just ever die out of their own accord? I know swine flu did but that wasn’t so severeI don’t even want to think about if this happens again
I’d like to think that the government would have learnt from this one but they probably won’t. I don’t know whether this virus is worse than others, I am worried about the long term effects of it which we still don’t know enough about. And despite what I said I know we need to learn to live with it and I hope we find a better way, I guess I just feel at the moment that the rules put in place are the only way we know at the moment to have something other than a complete lockdown so I feel a bit of despair when people don’t want to distance & wear masks etc. I don’t think we can go from one extreme to the other, there has to be a way of navigating out of this back towards normality. I am glad I’m not the one who has to make the decisions.
I agree with your sentiment and have also tried very hard to stick to the rules but struggled with my young nieces as they don’t understand (they are 2 and under!)I don’t know if I’m going to say something out of line here, I’m not being provocative so don’t come at me cos I’ll cry, I’m just sharing a thought I keep having...I’m really fed up with the government too and all the ever changing rules, and whilst I have pretty much kept to them I did get a bit too relaxed around some family members that I hadn’t seen all year and feel pretty bad about that now. But however fed up we are we can’t just stop following them can we. Because we’re fed up. It won’t help. It’s like if you break your leg and the dr says you need to rest it for however long it takes a leg to mend, you can’t just think I’ve had enough of this and start walking or running around. I’m not saying that with any judgement towards anyone as like I say I got too close to family (in laws, of all the people to break the rules getting close to ffs
but also... there will be people who continuously break the rules. Always. I’m not saying it’s fine but the restrictions are a short term solution, they are not what is going to get us out of this because getting to zero covid just isn’t going to happen now, we’ve let it get too out of control. We are essentially at the mercy of better treatments or an effective vaccine now.
I’m not saying don’t follow the restrictions because we need to to save lives in the meantime until a better solution comes along, but ...
I can see why people don’t buy the whole ‘we will be out of this quicker if we all follow the rules so you’re only hurting yourself’ because we won’t. We are not getting to zero covid
That argument worked in March but I think now everyone has realised this isn’t a 3 month thing it doesn’t any more.
true, the more it spreads the more restrictions we get but if these people are breaking the rules that probs doesn’t matter to them.
It should (hopefully) become weaker over time/easier to manage. At least, that’s the best case scenario I would imagine.I do wonder if there will be a point that the government just go “okay, covid is still here but we are ending lockdown... you’re on your own”
Yep I totally agree I know we won’t get to zero covid, sadly. But I do think following the rules is important to reduce the rate it’s spreading, just so that we can ease the pressure on the NHS. I’m worried sick about non urgent surgeries being cancelled. We had a friend who passed from cancer on Thursday, I can’t say for sure whether covid had any impact on the treatment he did or didn’t receive but for me that’s what I’m now feeling increasingly worried about, everyone having access to routine surgeries and medical care and that’s one reason I feel we need to follow the rules to keep cases lower than they would be if we don’t follow them. I did feel this way before my friend passed but its certainly bought it home to me.
I feel people are getting fed up of the rules most of which border on ridiculous unlike in March it felt very unknown and a ‘were in this together’ attitude, I think introducing tiers etc just adds to division in people’s minds
Some rules recently I can’t get my head round and can understand people’s frustrations
- I am in Tier 2 so can’t meet up with other households but can host a ‘business’ meeting in a pub/restaurant for up to 30 people?! How could you social distance 30 people unless you hired out whole restaurant
so that’s okay but couldn’t go to restaurant for social purposes with my Mum
- Banning of ‘non essentials’ in Wales... need say no more
I can probably think of more
Some rules recently I can’t get my head round and can understand people’s frustrations
- I am in Tier 2 so can’t meet up with other households but can host a ‘business’ meeting in a pub/restaurant for up to 30 people?! How could you social distance 30 people unless you hired out whole restaurant
so that’s okay but couldn’t go to restaurant for social purposes with my Mum - Banning of ‘non essentials’ in Wales... need say no more
I can probably think of more
I’ve started to get really bitter and angry over the last few days. I’ve been having thoughts like why is my (and millions of others) life being ruined for a virus with such a low mortality rate? Most people don’t get so much as a sniffle. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I’m just exhausted and depressed and feeling less and less like life is worth living. So my brain and my rationale is all over the place, don’t hold it against me. I tried to put my phone in the fridge instead of the milk earlier ffs.
Hope everyone is hanging on and doing ok
Hope everyone is hanging on and doing ok
I totally agree with you on all of this and feel we need to follow them to protect others if not to end this, sadly though I think those not following the restrictions haven’t been affected or can’t put themselves in that position, therefore the whole ‘if you follow the restrictions we can end this sooner’ was an effective way to get them on board, but we missed the boat on that now and they just aren’t going to listen anymore
Also if the “headlines” that flu rates have reduced by 98% globally are true - hopefully even if it does get bad the NHS would be able to cope as it doesn’t look like it is going to have the normal Influx of flu (I’m assuming due to masks and social distancing). I hate to hear about people’s surgeries and treatment being cancelled because of this bleeping virus.
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