Constance Marten and Mark Gordon Case #3

[Emsie]

My mum has different accounts but its because she forgets her password and cant reset it because she forgets her email password
But I noticed his sister is friends with each of her own profiles which is a bit strange. Theres probably nothing to it though.

Ha your mum sounds like my mum

 

[Bonbon76]

Not meant nastily but the d word is problematic:

Why You Should Be Careful With Using the Term “Dreads” – Affinity Magazine

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Thank you for sharing, I had no idea about this.

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

The sister’s social media presence is bizarre. I know estrangement whether intentional or through his incarceration can be challenging but like…. Idk would the average person be uploading multiple selfies at a time their brother was on the run with a newborn baby making national news frequently? Is it fair to even ask that question cos by the grace of god go I/we that we’ve never been in that situation? Maybe it’s a trauma response and I shouldn’t judge but it does feel bizarre.

Maybe they were in touch so she wasn’t so worried. I wonder if during it the police were keeping an eye on any known associates too. That was said wasn’t it in early days like if anyone’s helping them it’s making things worse so to stop?

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

The sister’s social media presence is bizarre. I know estrangement whether intentional or through his incarceration can be challenging but like…. Idk would the average person be uploading multiple selfies at a time their brother was on the run with a newborn baby making national news frequently? Is it fair to even ask that question cos by the grace of god go I/we that we’ve never been in that situation? Maybe it’s a trauma response and I shouldn’t judge but it does feel bizarre.

Maybe they were in touch so she wasn’t so worried. I wonder if during it the police were keeping an eye on any known associates too. That was said wasn’t it in early days like if anyone’s helping them it’s making things worse so to stop?

It does feel like the ‘wrong’ thing to be doing but I really don’t know!

Wasn’t CM’s dad still uploading his conspiracy theory stuff? I didn’t see it but I’m sure it was mentioned in the threads.

I think both CM and MG possibly come from dysfunctional families where ‘normal’ rules just don’t apply - even without the millionaire aristocracy and the violent rapist parts of it.

 

[Pumpkin84]

It does feel like the ‘wrong’ thing to be doing but I really don’t know!

Wasn’t CM’s dad still uploading his conspiracy theory stuff? I didn’t see it but I’m sure it was mentioned in the threads.

I think both CM and MG possibly come from dysfunctional families where ‘normal’ rules just don’t apply - even without the millionaire aristocracy and the violent rapist parts of it.

He was, and then just recently he's either deleted all the conspiracy stuff or made them private!

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

He was, and then just recently he's either deleted all the conspiracy stuff or made them private!

Not at all coincidental timing!

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

It does feel like the ‘wrong’ thing to be doing but I really don’t know!

Wasn’t CM’s dad still uploading his conspiracy theory stuff? I didn’t see it but I’m sure it was mentioned in the threads.

I think both CM and MG possibly come from dysfunctional families where ‘normal’ rules just don’t apply - even without the millionaire aristocracy and the violent rapist parts of it.

Forgot about that, sorry wasn’t just signalling the sister out! I remember thinking that maybe that shows how unseriously they took it which makes me wonder maybe she had prior form for these sorts of stunts/dramas that he was just numb to it? Which would also explain the £10k reward for info which is nooooothing to a family like hers!!

 

[Kinderbelle]

Has no one noticed that Marks sister literally made a reel disputing his conviction only like, 4 posts down in her news feed????
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The sister’s social media presence is bizarre. I know estrangement whether intentional or through his incarceration can be challenging but like…. Idk would the average person be uploading multiple selfies at a time their brother was on the run with a newborn baby making national news frequently?

I've posted above but given that specific post about her borther being innocent I doubt she is worrying about how her presence looks at the time he was missing.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Forgot about that, sorry wasn’t just signalling the sister out! I remember thinking that maybe that shows how unseriously they took it which makes me wonder maybe she had prior form for these sorts of stunts/dramas that he was just numb to it? Which would also explain the £10k reward for info which is nooooothing to a family like hers!!

Oh I didn’t think you were singling her out! I’d forgotten about C’s dad too until I read your post.

I don’t think it was ever clear who was offering the reward. The police do, I think, in some circumstances (but I’m not certain).
If it was her family you'd think they’d have made it a more attractive amount. I mean, £10k is a lot, but it’s not life changing and that’s what they would have needed if they really, really wanted to find them.

Different topic but I was also thinking about the food bank - why didn’t they report to the police? That was the week before I think, so wouldn’t have changed the outcome but no one knew that at the time.
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Has no one noticed that Marks sister literally made a reel disputing his conviction only like, 4 posts down in her news feed????
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I've posted above but given that specific post about her borther being innocent I doubt she is worrying about how her presence looks at the time he was missing.

I actually haven’t looked at her social media. Is it her fb?

 

[Pumpkin84]

Forgot about that, sorry wasn’t just signalling the sister out! I remember thinking that maybe that shows how unseriously they took it which makes me wonder maybe she had prior form for these sorts of stunts/dramas that he was just numb to it? Which would also explain the £10k reward for info which is nooooothing to a family like hers!!

I read that some of her friends said that they are not at all surprised she went off grid so it does seem that she has form for this erratic kind of behaviour. Also neighbours at various houses they've lived at have said they would be gone for long periods of time and then come back with loads of bags.

I find it quite interesting that C's mum is a psychotherapist and one of the things she specialises in is trauma. I wonder if she ever did therapy with C or if its a bit too close to home. I wouldn't appreciate my mum psychoanalysing me
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Has no one noticed that Marks sister literally made a reel disputing his conviction only like, 4 posts down in her news feed????
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I've posted above but given that specific post about her borther being innocent I doubt she is worrying about how her presence looks at the time he was missing.

Yeah it was discussed lastnight and what she said as to why he couldn't have done it was pretty revolting.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I find it quite interesting that C's mum is a psychotherapist and one of the things she specialises in is trauma. I wonder if she ever did therapy with C or if its a bit too close to home. I wouldn't appreciate my mum psychoanalysing me

If I were C, and it were my mum, it would make me distance even further I think….

Yeah it was discussed lastnight and what she said as to why he couldn't have done it was pretty revolting.

Ohh *that* post I think I’d chosen to forget it already.

 

[neroli]

I was just trying to find how old he was when they moved to the US. I didn’t find it, but I did find this -

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None of this is new news BUT for some reason I thought the trashed rental house was a few years ago, when it was only in August.

If we assume that the baby was born at full term, this makes far more sense now in terms of (speculative) mental illness:
- fall pregnant (April-ish)
- immediately stop taking your meds because you’re afraid of the effects on the baby (May)
- 2-3 months of chaos in the house because your mental health takes a rapid nose dive (May-July)
- evicted in August (around 4 months)
- nomadic life begins September and reports say it’s when you’re showing signs of pregnancy (5 months onwards)
- baby born January (9 months)

Would she be responsible enough to take any prescribed meds regularly and would she be necessarily under the care of a GP judging by her stance on antenatal care?

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Would she be responsible enough to take any prescribed meds regularly and would she be necessarily under the care of a GP judging by her stance on antenatal care?

I think antenatal care is an entirely different thing to CM’s usual own healthcare, if there’s an assumption that the baby was going to be, or might have been, removed at birth.

As it was reported that they disappeared / began moving around when she was starting to show that she was pregnant, it’s probably fairly safe to assume that she actively avoided any healthcare settings including for herself from that point.

The house could have been like that already, and the timing could have just been a coincidence.

ETA she wouldn’t actually need to be under a GP for a mental illness, you can just see a psychiatrist either NHS or privately and they can issue prescriptions. That would probably be the preferred option for someone with money, as you can pick and choose your appointments and know you’ll definitely see the same person.
With some MH conditions and meds the care needs to be overseen by a psych anyway as a GP can only prescribe to a certain level.

 

[Kinderbelle]

Oh I didn't hear her saying anything.... Ill go back a few posts.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Oh I didn't hear her saying anything.... Ill go back a few posts.

It was about how a 14 year old wouldn’t be able to have done what he was alleged to have done….

 

[neroli]

I think antenatal care is an entirely different thing to CM’s usual own healthcare, if there’s an assumption that the baby was going to be, or might have been, removed at birth.

As it was reported that they disappeared / began moving around when she was starting to show that she was pregnant, it’s probably fairly safe to assume that she actively avoided any healthcare settings including for herself from that point.

The house could have been like that already, and the timing could have just been a coincidence.

ETA she wouldn’t actually need to be under a GP for a mental illness, you can just see a psychiatrist either NHS or privately and they can issue prescriptions. That would probably be the preferred option for someone with money, as you can pick and choose your appointments and know you’ll definitely see the same person.
With some MH conditions and meds the care needs to be overseen by a psych anyway as a GP can only prescribe to a certain level.

It would definitely have to be a private psychiatrist but somehow I can't see her as wanting to recognise having an MH issue? If indeed she has one? No money to pay the rent yet money to spend on private psych appointments?

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

It would definitely have to be a private psychiatrist but somehow I can't see her as wanting to recognise having an MH issue? If indeed she has one? No money to pay the rent yet money to spend on private psych appointments?

Why would it definitely have to be a private psychiatrist?

And what makes you say that you can’t see her wanting to recognise having a MH condition?


As was said on here last night by a few people, I have no idea how trust funds work. There could well be an element of the money that pays directly for healthcare cover for all needs - mental, physical, whatever.

The not paying the rent is a weird one. If they were thought to have £15k cash by the police, it feels more like she wasn’t in day-to-day control of her affairs because of the chaotic lifestyle, rather than she didn’t have the money.

 

[neroli]

Just assuming that you'd need to be referred by a GP to CMHRS/NHS psychiatry.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Just assuming that you'd need to be referred by a GP to CMHRS/NHS psychiatry.

Yes but then once you’re under a consultant you stay under them, so she could (in theory) have been referred initially in 2014/2015 before she met MG and still be under the same consultant psych. You wouldn’t generally book yourself in to a private psychiatrist without a GP referral either I don’t think.

 

[neroli]

Yes but then once you’re under a consultant you stay under them, so she could (in theory) have been referred initially in 2014/2015 before she met MG and still be under the same consultant psych. You wouldn’t generally book yourself in to a private psychiatrist without a GP referral either I don’t think.

You can if you have the money and self-fund.