None of it makes any sense does it. The whole thing is just so odd.
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Think baby Victoria was heard crying in taxi
It’s so scary too because as others have said - had that car not been found in flames with a placenta in it then there arguably may not have ever been a search for them and baby. Terrifying.
The whole case is just unbelievably sad, I just hope baby Victoria didn’t suffer, RIP Victoria, it sends shivers down my spine writing that, my own little girl is called Victoria.
There’s obviously significant mental health issues at play, and possibly addiction issues, domestic violence, Coercion etc etc, I just hope either one of them or the pair of them can find a moment of clarity and a shred of decency within themselves enough to fully disclose to the police exactly what happened to baby Victoria and therefore face whatever consequences are appropriate to them, it’s the least they can do for the baby they allowed to die in their ‘care’.
There’s obviously significant mental health issues at play, and possibly addiction issues, domestic violence, Coercion etc etc, I just hope either one of them or the pair of them can find a moment of clarity and a shred of decency within themselves enough to fully disclose to the police exactly what happened to baby Victoria and therefore face whatever consequences are appropriate to them, it’s the least they can do for the baby they allowed to die in their ‘care’.
Just wondering if Taxi drivers have to provide a car seat for babies in order to legally transport them? Surely they can’t legally take passengers where the baby is being held by the parent?
weirdly they do not which I find absolutely astonishing. When the booster seat laws were tightened it was especially galling to know parents had to have booster seats for all kids in their own cars, but could hop in and out of a taxi willy nilly with no booster. It’s like kids are magically immune from fatal car accidents if they’re in taxis
This is true as my mum is a taxi driver. She carries a booster seat in the boot if any customers want to use it but she’s always shocked by the amount of people who don’t want it, especially as the children are clearly no where near the size or age of not needing one anymore.weirdly they do not which I find absolutely astonishing. When the booster seat laws were tightened it was especially galling to know parents had to have booster seats for all kids in their own cars, but could hop in and out of a taxi willy nilly with no booster. It’s like kids are magically immune from fatal car accidents if they’re in taxis
Very sad that baby Victoria's birth was presumably never registered for obvious reasons. Her date of death will not be exact either unless they both give her some degree of dignity in her passing and provide the information for remembrance purposes for other relatives at least..Can't see it happening though unless there is a breakthrough.
CM’s passport was found in the car too, which obviously meant a rapid identification. Perhaps if that hadn’t been left they wouldn’t have found them, or, at the least, it would have taken longer.
If they were taking drugs they could have accessed them between September and the beginning of January, without too much trouble, I imagine, but I don’t really know. I don’t think it’s likely that only one of them was taking drugs, not impossible, but not usual. MG looked terrible when he was being escorted to court.
What were all the burner phones and sims for?
MG looks mentally unwell in those pictures
Burner phones and sims will be paranoia and thinking they're evading the authorities
Why would he be able to ran around the country, evade police, only ending up with a gammy leg as a consequence but, now he’s captured and presumably has access to mental health support for the first time in months, he’s coming across all weak and requiring wheelchairs?
I agree they were paranoid, but the best way not to be found was to have no phones. Why would they feel it necessary to have phones? They’ve pre-planned with the large cash withdrawal.
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That’s the big question for me - what was the need, who were they contacting.
Obvs can’t rule out them contacting people but the internet is pretty essential for day to day living now, they may have just been swapping out SIMs for fear of being located?
Especially as they were travelling a vast distance to areas they seemingly had no connection to they’d have wanted to use Google maps and could have even done walk throughs to see where did/n’t have cameras on street view. Maybe looking up news stories on themselves?
There was a 24 hr in police custody where they’d discovered a man who’d previously been believed to have been murdered living in the woods as he was connecting to a local Asda’s WiFi and logging into Facebook. In another one sometime trying to access child abuse images was found too. In desperate cases people can be found via connected devices.
Yes, you can hail taxis, walk into taxi offices. Walk into hotels or b&bs with cash, as they seem to have done. Not sure about AirB&Bs.
There are even still some public phone boxes around.
Considering everyone thinks they are so paranoid, why would they absolutely need a phone?
Yes good points, I was thinking cheap burner phones of the sort you buy in the supermarket which literally just call and text! But that’s an assumption I realise I’ve made with no grounds now I’ve read your comments.
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That’s along the lines of where my thoughts were.
There’s always taxis at train stations for example, but then there’s also cctv and police around there too so actually maybe having phones is less risky overall - especially if unregistered PAYG with multiple sims.
I mean idk either I’m just speculating! I just typed cheap smart phone into Google and the first Google shopping result is a £40 acetel that has that iPhone look but obviously won’t be as good, but imagine it’d have web browsing and maps functionality?
Clicking through to Argos they’ve got cheap Nokia phones for under £80 and Motorolas just under or just above £100. That’s brand new from Argos, if they were round East Ham and Ilford way (or any ungentrified ends tbh) to begin with there are loads of Lebara mobile bannered shops/stalls/kiosks that do off brand screen repairs etc that they could have easily gotten a much cheaper second hand one off.
That’s the good thing about us all thinking out loud though, we consider other options!
Supermarkets sell non-smart phones along with the basic smart ones so there’s all sorts of possibilities. Could have been one phone each but multiple sims
Definitely a reason for it though - for having them in the first place, and for being so cautious with them. If no one knows your phone number etc, how can you be traced?!
I would think they used them to call taxis when they weren't in London and it wasn't easy to hail a taxi.
things mentally ill people do don't make sense... I wouldn't read much into it other than paranoia and a folie a deux
You can only hail down black cabs and if I was on the run that’s the last thing I’d want to do tbh! The demographic of black cab drivers is very different to minicab in east London/suburbia and I’d suspect a black cab driver to be more likely to listen to news/talk radio all day and be active on Twitter thus more likely to have heard of their case, so it would undoubtedly be more risky for them. Obvs they couldn’t use Uber without a linked bank account so they must have called local minicab firms, or some of them allow you to book by an app which is never the best ngl lol.
Ok, yes. I can see why they’d want, non-smart, burner phones to call taxis etc.
Maybe I’ve been watching too much TV, but drug dealers and criminals use these phones too, plus they’re the type you would smuggle into prison. MG might be familiar with them.
From my extensive Hunted watching, a trace/recording could be put on known numbers they might contact (friends, family) to try and locate them, but they’d probably be too paranoid and isolated to contact anyone known.
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