People tend to not have too many warm and fuzzy feelings towards people who cause the death of a tiny baby and then leave her body to rot in a carrier bag. Yes, yes, they've not been found guilty yet etc.
Lots of people have severe mental health problems and virtually all of them don't end up with a dead baby through their actions. Plenty of people go through a lot of terror and trauma in their lives and don't end up with a dead baby through their actions. I don't buy it. She made choices. They left deliberately and avoided detection very well and for a long time. That involves some fairly serious planning and decision making.
I think I might have posted something asking why people think it was cc with MG being the controlling one. It seems to me that assumptions are being made because she's a woman and he has a history, when it could easily be the other way round. CM has the money and the social standing.Someone on the last thread said they thought CM was the controlling one, not MG. Why?
Genuinely curious why you think that.
They're not excusing someone though? Just saying they don't agree with wishing physical harm on them. Not everyone believes in an eye for an eye.
HeyThank you for sharing.
Previously had suspected they’d both plead guilty so no trial and a lesser (?) sentence because the charges were to do with concealment of birth, but now there’s a child cruelty charge in there too suspect they’ll plead not guilty to that ergo there will be a trial? Not sure how this works tbh - paging our thread expert @Dogmuck
HTRIA and others. Not read all that article as DM soz. These new charges have come late in the day, wasn’t the previous court date August? So their counsel would have said, we can’t be ready for trial in August we need to go through the evidence etc and get instruction and I’m busy with xyz trial so we need to set back the trial. They’d have looked for new dates and that may well have been the first available convenient date with the right amount of time. What I would say is this, every day they are on remand is easier than being in prison and every day in remand is taken off sentence, they get credit. IIRC they still haven’t been arraigned so I’m guessing they will be arraigned in January and can still plead guilty then and that would be considered pleading at first opportunity so would also give them the credit (reduced sentence). In January they will have spent almost a year in custody albeit on remand, that’s quite a hefty amount of time to have taken off. I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t their game plan. Let me look at the charges and the sentencing guidelines and try to figure out what their likely sentence would be minus credit for early plea and time served.That's my understanding of it, too. As far as I know, she has other children in care and knew that this one would be taken too so the pregnancy was concealed.
The biological parents may not always have made sensible decisions during the pregnancy (maybe alcohol or drug use) or in the early weeks/months, and these selfish decisions may have a long term affect on the health or emotional well being of an innocent child that could have easily been avoided. I could understand anger towards them in this instance.
Well, mainly from a human rights perspective, but also for the basic principles of justice. As things stand right this minute, despite what we all think here, both of these fkrs are, in the eyes of the law, innocent. We would all want to be treated equally under these circumstances and he’s entitled to his rights, we don’t know what’s wrong with his back, it might be really bad, not only wild sleeping and shoddy prison beds gonna do that, but when you’re an aggressive rapist you’re definitely gonna suffer with scumbago
“Sorry I can’t do jury service because I’m a tattler” (but can I sit and watch and do live updates for the thread?)
It’s a tough call, but if I had to put money on it I’d say they’d plead guilty.
. And everyone is blaming SS and the Police, not the parents who shouldn't have had a child that they were unable to care for. The house/garden looks squalid. The authorities are too stretched to even begin to watch the thousands of parents who should never have been allowed to breed in the first place. The sad reality is that it must have been obvious that these two were a flight risk.... and the baby paid the ultimate price. Fingers will be pointed at authorities and social workers, but not these two.
Babes you’re one of my heroes- come on don’t be shy this is a much smaller case, you’ll nail this.haha it was me that did the Letby wiki. Not sure I’d call myself a legend but I’ll take it
I’ve been lurking here but not sure I can get so invested this time though. Letby’s trial lasting 10 months was intense!
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