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I just want to scream at people having child and say WHYYYYYYYY!?
I don’t have an issue with people wanting children, but I do want to scream at the one’s who want more and more but can’t afford them or clearly don’t have the mental capacity to rear them properly!
 
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I really feel for the teenagers of today. Hearing the environmental impact report and today it's A Level results day. I know with successive generations a bigger proportion doesn't have children compared with the previous, I wonder how many will forgo parenthood with what they've had to grow up with.
 
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My cousin is 38, has been living the dream in France, renovating a house with her partner, I never thought she'd have kids especially as he's quite a bit older than her. She's just found out she's expecting twins and is having to sell up and come back home to be near family. She's over the moon about it but I couldn't help feeling completely gutted for her!
 
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I don’t have an issue with people wanting children, but I do want to scream at the one’s who want more and more but can’t afford them or clearly don’t have the mental capacity to rear them properly!
Have you seen Jules Oliver? She's apparently had five miscarriages which is an awful thing for anyone to try and cope with, but at 46 and with five healthy children, she STILL wants more and is considering having IVF.
Just why?

 
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Have you seen Jules Oliver? She's apparently had five miscarriages which is an awful thing for anyone to try and cope with, but at 46 and with five healthy children, she STILL wants more and is considering having IVF.
Just why?

Having lots of kids is one of those things that’s a total status symbol for the rich, but is looked down on when poor people do it. I don’t have kids so this probably isn’t my argument, but it does wind me up a bit when you see wealthy people going on about climate change and overpopulation whilst having massive families themselves. There’s a real element of ‘it’s ok if I have four or five kids as a rich, white Westerner, but it’s terrible when those poor people in other countries have lots of children’. I can’t stand BoJo and one of the reasons is because he lectures about climate and sustainability whilst having seven(? eight? - who knows?) kids. It’s a reductive argument but you can’t deny that if you’re serious about saving the planet, one of the most impactful things to do is not have a child …
 
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Having lots of kids is one of those things that’s a total status symbol for the rich, but is looked down on when poor people do it. I don’t have kids so this probably isn’t my argument, but it does wind me up a bit when you see wealthy people going on about climate change and overpopulation whilst having massive families themselves. There’s a real element of ‘it’s ok if I have four or five kids as a rich, white Westerner, but it’s terrible when those poor people in other countries have lots of children’. I can’t stand BoJo and one of the reasons is because he lectures about climate and sustainability whilst having seven(? eight? - who knows?) kids. It’s a reductive argument but you can’t deny that if you’re serious about saving the planet, one of the most impactful things to do is not have a child …
Yes yes and triple yes! It is 100% a status symbol. Especially when they go to dinners and they say that all their kids went to an expensive school or gave all of them a downpayment for a house. It is a weird flex but it is a quick way for someone to tell you how wealthy they are.
 
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Yes yes and triple yes! It is 100% a status symbol. Especially when they go to dinners and they say that all their kids went to an expensive school or gave all of them a downpayment for a house. It is a weird flex but it is a quick way for someone to tell you how wealthy they are.
That's exactly it. There's no good reason for someone like Jools Oliver to have any more kids. You've already got five. Why on earth would you need any more? Especially if you're considering IVF to have them - that's a deliberate choice and it's purely out of privilege.
 
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My cousin is 38, has been living the dream in France, renovating a house with her partner, I never thought she'd have kids especially as he's quite a bit older than her. She's just found out she's expecting twins and is having to sell up and come back home to be near family. She's over the moon about it but I couldn't help feeling completely gutted for her!
You sure she didn’t have IV
That's exactly it. There's no good reason for someone like Jools Oliver to have any more kids. You've already got five. Why on earth would you need any more? Especially if you're considering IVF to have them - that's a deliberate choice and it's purely out of privilege.
It’s also completely insane to put her body through IVF when she’s probably already perimenopausal and the risks of multiple births and defects are at their highest. She doesn’t need IVF, she needs a purpose and a shrink!
 
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I get that children are for some people, and some women become nicer after children 🤣 but I wish it was more accepted that its just not for everybody!
 
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It makes sense that single and childless women live longer.
If you think about it men and women both go to work but when they come back home the women are on their second shift. They are usually doing the laundry, cleaning the house, helping with the kids homework, etc Managing a family is a full time job with very little rewards.

Men get to advance in their career because women feel the pressure to pick the kids after school, or work part-time or stay home when the child is sick. All those little decisions that women with kids take willingly are holding them a bit more from their own personal time and goals.

I wholeheartedly applaud women who still choose to be mothers in this day and age. But it is one hell of a gamble that I won't join.
 
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It makes sense that single and childless women live longer.
If you think about it men and women both go to work but when they come back home the women are on their second shift. They are usually doing the laundry, cleaning the house, helping with the kids homework, etc Managing a family is a full time job with very little rewards.

Men get to advance in their career because women feel the pressure to pick the kids after school, or work part-time or stay home when the child is sick. All those little decisions that women with kids take willingly are holding them a bit more from their own personal time and goals.

I wholeheartedly applaud women who still choose to be mothers in this day and age. But it is one hell of a gamble that I won't join.
To be fair, women who don’t have kids still have a house to run, with laundry, food shopping and cleaning to do. I spend most of my weekend on bloody domestic chores.
 
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To be fair, women who don’t have kids still have a house to run, with laundry, food shopping and cleaning to do. I spend most of my weekend on bloody domestic chores.
Same, my partner dips in when he feels like it but he’s never cleaned the house. I also do all the finances and utilities.

I do envy those single child free women doing their own thing sometimes.
 
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To be fair, women who don’t have kids still have a house to run, with laundry, food shopping and cleaning to do. I spend most of my weekend on bloody domestic chores.
Same, I honestly don’t feel like I’d even have time to raise a child?! I get home - tidy up/run errands for about an hour, have dinner, exercise, shower and then finally get to sit down for about an hour before I go to bed. Not to mention also trying to fit in any hobbies or social life!
 
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Same, I honestly don’t feel like I’d even have time to raise a child?! I get home - tidy up/run errands for about an hour, have dinner, exercise, shower and then finally get to sit down for about an hour before I go to bed. Not to mention also trying to fit in any hobbies or social life!
I don’t think I could either, I can’t fit all my hobbies in as it is! I’d love to give up work but not for raising kids 😆
 
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The thing is, even though there are a lot of responsibilities for everyone in everyday life, it’s still easier to just have to only be responsible for yourself than, for example, having young kids and a partner who won’t help out in any way, and ending up doing everything for them, as well as needing to deal with your own things.
 
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Does anyone else ever get really confusing conflicting feelings? For example, when I hold a baby I feel nothing, but when I see people on Facebook/insta playing happy little families it makes me really jealous? But I don’t want kids?
 
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Does anyone else ever get really confusing conflicting feelings? For example, when I hold a baby I feel nothing, but when I see people on Facebook/insta playing happy little families it makes me really jealous? But I don’t want kids?
Yeah totally. I think that’s completely natural. When people look happy, it automatically sparks emotion in us, the same as when someone looks sad. Doesn’t mean we necessarily want their lives, it just means we appreciate that certain things make people happy and wonder what that feels like. I don’t get anything from babies, but when I see a kid of say 7/8 they always make me laugh and feel warm inside. There was one boy in the supermarket that was so adorable I could have stolen him, but let’s be honest I probably wouldn’t get that if I had my own!

I don’t think I could either, I can’t fit all my hobbies in as it is! I’d love to give up work but not for raising kids 😆
I just wish I could afford to have someone do all of my laundry and put it away. I can cope with everything else! Well not hoovering, that’s the devils work! 😖
 
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Does anyone else ever get really confusing conflicting feelings? For example, when I hold a baby I feel nothing, but when I see people on Facebook/insta playing happy little families it makes me really jealous? But I don’t want kids?
Same. I feel mostly jealous of the praise and attention having a baby brings (what can I say I’m obviously a narcissist 😂). I also get the same feeling about weddings. I could have a wedding if I wanted … I just don’t want one, but I still feel jealous at all the fuss that’s made about a bride on her wedding day and how it’s seen as such a pinnacle of someone’s life. I know in reality I’d hate it though. Remember what you see on social media isn’t real. Ive got friends who are always posting “happy family” pics #myworld #blessed when in reality they’re telling me they have never felt lower and motherhood isn’t what it’s cracked up to be. Take it with a pinch of salt.
 
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