So do the Fleuries. They have not done anything outrageous that I would call them out. Being on Patreon, as has been been discussed quite often, does not necessarily mean they are grifters as we've seen with the top-tier-grifters. I'm sure we were all fans of SJ, MPK...the likes till we realised we were being taken for a ride. Till I see the Fleuries do this, I don't think it's fair to cast them off. I do however, get bothered by them mentioning it all the time but I'm still willing to give them a chance and see how they'll behave if they (If ever) start raking it in.