Caroline Flack

[imaginedragon83]

I dont watch anything caroline was in, I dont know much about her at all apart from all the stuff in the papers recently but bottom line is that it makes me incredibly sad to think about anyone from any background feeling that suicide is their only option. She was someone daughter, granddaughter, sister, friend

 

[Alightened]

 

[AmberSpyglass]

I feel so sick! It’s a sad, the world we live in! I thought she’d weather the storm and be back in the summer looking better than ever! So sad! She was harmless! xxxx

She was terribly troubled .

 

[Sausageface]

Will the trial still go ahead does anyone know?
if it does, I hope they give it some time out of respect of her family

How could it possibly still go ahead if the defendant is dead? How would she defend herself and what on earth would be the point?

 

[Doc]

Instagram is pissing me off tonight. Everyone saying ‘be kind’ ‘you don’t know what goes on behind closed doors’ ‘don’t comment on people online’ ‘words have consequences’... FUCK OFF! She wasnt ‘trolled’ for not declaring ads or because people called her fat or ugly or a bad mum or said she dressed badly.

She was arrested and charged with violently abusing her partner. People called her out on social media; they called her out on her appalling behaviour because of something she actually DID. It wasn’t just people’s opinions. So yes, I’m sure she had a shitty few weeks since it happened and seeing people talking about it must have been devastating and hard to read. But she didn’t kill herself because people were ‘mean’ to her on social media

this is what I meant about politicising it... most of them say that because they cant take criticism themselves and it’s pretty gross to use her death for selfish purposes to shut people up from having an opinion about how they behave.

Honestly how hard is it for them to post a RIP message and leave it as that on the same fucking day she was found dead? Pore over it later if you must ffs.

 

[Dragonmother]

This has shaken me tbh. Maybe because we each had our 40ths within a fortnight and it feels like the loss of a peer.

I didn't really follow her career, but she always reminded me that age is but a number, and rocked her tiny shorts and sequinned minis in a way I could but dream of, as I had my third child within 4 years

Suicide has touched my family and I wouldn't wish it on anybody, anybody in the world.

I think she was an amazingly talented lady, a natural presenter, but also a born singer and dancer...and after having the world at her feet for years, starting to shine in other projects (stint in the west end) knew that the likelihood was everything would turn to dust.

She must have been a deeply insecure and troubled individual, who desperately needed professional help as well as support, understanding and love. She seemed to look for that in the wrong places...young at heart, going for younger guys who maybe weren't fully committed and she'd get heartbroken every time. (In no way defending her, just ruminating.)

RIP Caroline. Apologies for the DM link but I think she looks so happy here, beautifully singing her heart out.

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...roline-Flack-sings-Little-Mermaids-World.html Get the MailOnline App: https://www.archive.is/oldest/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/mobile

 

[KLRDN]

I threw a battery at my ex once and the tv remote cos he pissed me off does that make me an abuser?!

No-one knows for sure exactly what happened that night, other than the 2 of them, and I doubt we ever will know what happened. Innocent till proven guilty and all that.

If he rang 999 and said you were going to kill him then yeah it does. But if that never happened then it's not a comparison. It's horrific she felt death was a better option rather than face life anymore but this is classic downplaying of what male victims face all the time. Look at the abuse Lewis is getting. Even her ex Andrew is getting it

 

[mags]

I've been surprised by the lack of compassion shown by quite a few people on this thread (not everyone - thankfully there are some very sensible, supportive and caring posts too).

Even if you're not a fan of Caroline's, it is still possible for people to show empathy/sympathy for someone who, at her absolute lowest point and suffering such all-consuming pain and turmoil has ended up in the darkest of places and seen no other way but to end her own life. Regardless of whatever you think she has done, that desperately sad demise is still a tragic waste of life.

It is not hypocritical, two-faced or giving a free pass just to lay off the negative comments when someone has just died. It is respectful (not just to her memory but more importantly to her grieving loved ones).

By simply not mentioning the alleged sordid details you won't instantly turn her into a Saint, nor will you be turning a blind eye to any wrongdoings, if that's what you're worried about......after all, which of us was there and actually knows what happened anyway?

I can't believe how many people have made remarks like....."It's sad that she's dead BUT I'm sorry, I never liked the woman"......or "Nobody deserves to die that way HOWEVER I still stand by what I said about her (when I slagged her off)" etc. Why the need to stick the boot in? Condolences mean nothing if they're coupled with a dig......why not leave out the "but"s and the "however"s and if you can't say anything nice/constructive/helpful then just don't say anything.

Nobody is telling you to forget whatever it is that you think Caroline has done (because, let's face it, we don't actually know) but I do think that now is not the time for us to play judge and jury and this tragic turn of events deserves a more dignified and respectful response than in many of the comments on this thread. It's easy to become wise after the event and I don't think the general public knew just how fragile she was before but now that the severity of her ill health has come to light you can show new-found compassion and genuinely mean it without being a fraud.

I know that people will say what they want regardless of my opinion........I just wanted to put forward the notion that this tragic turn of events does change things - Caroline can no longer defend herself, the CPS will not get to the bottom of what actually happened and idle speculation is a waste of time at best and hurtful at worst.

Regardless of whether you're male or female, squeaky clean or with skeletons in your closet, nobody deserves to feel that bad that they can't bear to stay alive. I'm not perfect and although I 'own' my mistakes I wouldn't want my worst times to be played out for all to see. Mental health issues are not black and white and do not discriminate. I sincerely hope that none of us ever find ourselves as tormented as Caroline Flack was and if anyone is suffering, I hope that you find the help you need.

 

[Lalla]

It's sad she's dead. That goes without saying. Any death before your 'time' is sad.

But we have no idea how she actually felt, what pre-empted her decision. Or if it even was intentional and not a 'cry for help' scenario. There's no point in all the fake hand wringing and outpourings of grief.

Ultimately it was her decision. She had wealth, health, she could easily have sought the best help. She had family and friends around her, a support network. She had options but this was what she chose. I don't think the media should be blamed for causing this by reporting that she'd been arrested for assault (which was true, though of course she'd not been convicted, just accused) . If she didn't do it, then I'm sure that would have come out at court. Again, she could afford the best legal representation.

 

[Emsy]

This is news is tragic but I'm having to step away from social media today as the hypocrisy, narcissism and mass jumping on the band wagon is extremely frustrating. I cannot believe the amount of people who are making this about themselves and not about Caroline it is absolutely vile... What have we as a society become I've seen people saying on stories 'be kind or..... Fk off' seriously!? Can they not see the hypocrisy in their own words!? So desperate for the likes and the engagement!
I'm so sick to my stomach with all these people

 

[Banana Man]

I work in a customer facing role and am often subjected to abuse. I think the kind of twats that abuse me will be the first to share memes about "be kind always, you never know what they're going though".
Carolines law is a load of wank. It's just people saying say what I want to hear or shut up.
someone posted earlier that people drinking and taking cocaine are 16 times more likely to commit suicide. That along with having mental health issues is most likely to have killed the love island presenter.

 

[Lollipop19]

Everyone name calling hypocrites and accusing people of ignoring the fact she was a domestic abuser- in this country, we practice 'innocent until proven guilty' not speculation through tabloids and gossip sites. A young woman has taken her own life and still people are pretending they know everything about her and her mental health. She may very well have done some awful things and I will not support her for that but condemning her on the day of her death doesn't need to happen either really.

 

[Atomic Blonde]

As Kerry said to her In her message they hate all women.

That is horrendous, what a vile organisation fathers4justice sound, I'm glad Kerry spoke up about these women hating psychos, they need to investigated by the police for this harassment.

 

[PineappleQueen19]

This from former chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal

“Sometimes you need to protect someone even when they can’t see it themselves”

 

[Clickieclock]

Had to come off social media. People saying her death is manslaughter by media? Saying she’s the victim? That the CPS/police should have left her alone?
It’s horrendous she’s died, she didn’t deserve to lose her life over that.
But she attacked someone violently. It’s making me upset that some people are sanitising her image like she is 100% innocent.
Maybe I’m taking this too personally because I grew up in a house with DV but it’s too much.

I think we're supposed to forget that she attacked someone viciously now she's died

I hope Lewis is doing ok. The abuse he's getting on Instagram right now is shocking. I hope his family and friends look after him otherwise he'll end up the same way

Hyprocrites the lot of them

 

[Anfield Annie]

All very sad indeed. I tell you what it makes me think...thank f#@k I’m not a celeb....yes you may earn £££ and receive loads of free stuff but it seems to me you have to work damn hard just to stand still in the world of social media. Even the so called nicest ones seem to struggle.

How can any of us relate to what it’s like to live in that world, where your career and whole persona is judged on a daily basis? And then...throw in the access you will have to all sort of “aids” to help you get through. I‘m not commenting on CF herself and drugs etc but as a general observation we all know how accessible stuff is even for the ordinary Joe. Ive never dabbled myself, I live in the French countryside and the most exciting thing that happens to me is seeing a deer run across the field whilst walking my dog .....but it must be incredibly difficult to just maintain your best self in such a cut throat world when it’s mixed with so many other influences

 

[Boredofgrey]

I’m very sad Caroline thought she had no other options other than to end her life.

However - I am fed up that my social media is full of people telling me to be kind. If you need social media to tell you to be kind, you have issues!

 

[Lalla]

They said they were sad to see her go and that they would welcome her back apparently in their statement. ITV shouldn't have to hold the hand of their staff and parent them and be responsible.

Why are people constantly trying to shift the blame? The media, the CPS, ITV... when the only person to blame for all of this in the first place is Caroline and her actions.

^^this. Absolutely.

This was no one else's fault. Not her employers, not her friends or family. It's easy to blame someone, anyone. But that's not fair.

Yes maybe some of the reporting around the charges was too intrusive, too inflammatory. But if the alternative is it gets swept under the carpet...that's no better. Should the press not have reported it because it was 'probably' a one off and she didn't mean it?

The alleged DV incident was reported not by a nosy or prying neighbour, but by her boyfriend. In that moment he was worried enough for his safety to phone 999. I don't think this was just her throwing an item in his direction in temper. Let's not minimise violent actions under this blanket of being kind.

 

[Sariassong]

I’m finding the hypocrisy regarding CF’s alleged crime and the way many are saying ‘if this was a man....’ to be erm, amusing. Google Paul Gascoigne- the first descriptive word that comes up in my search box is ‘legend’, not wife beater, but legend.

Could not agree more
I get really angry when people reel out the old "double standard, women get a free pass to abuse" bollocks. Its simply not true. The world is much harder on women. Public opinion is much harsher. Men are allowed to redeem themselves, women are vilified and demonized.
I sound dramatic cos I'm tired after a night shift and I'm not trying to derail this Caroline Flack thread onto a wider feminist argument. What I am saying is that men and women are equally kind, horrible, vicious, gentle as we all human. The difference lies in how our characters are viewed. Gazza will always be a lovable rogue yet he broke his wife's arm!

Apols for lack of coherence but I hope I'm making my point!

 

[Luce0331]

I’m a great mother who has seen her own mother beg for life when in agony with cancer. I cherish life. Caroline wanted attention, she’s got it.

Would you see it that way if one of your children took their own life?