Caroline Flack

[HankMcPrank]

So many unanswered questions.

Why didn’t she go to the shop with her friend?

Why was she accompanied in her home, may just popping in for a coffee yeah..

Why didn’t she seek any advice - if we are unaware.

Why did the boyfriend approach her on IG when she wasn’t allowed any contact?Did she feel she would be blamed for it when it wasn’t even her own fault?

Did she do what she did on impulse - Was the suicide an accident?

 

[MrsD_89]

Well, according to this criminal barrister, she was being treated differently:


A summary
If this were a normal case and Flack was an “ordinary” member of the public, this would be a two-hour trial in which the CPS would begrudgingly offer no evidence at 10:30am on the day of trial. However, this is not the case.

The matter has been listed for a day and a half. The court is clearly anticipating a substantial amount of legal argument. There will no doubt be lengthy representations provided to the CPS as to the prospects of success and the public interest in proceeding. Unfortunately for Flack, the domestic violence policy of the CPS has been updated and tightened over the past 18 months. This matter is unlikely to go away quietly.

There will be a number of pre-trial legal arguments. If the defence are not successful, we can most probably expect Flack to take a trip to the High Court — appealing a decision on either res gestaeor Section 78 by way of case stated. I, for one, will be surprised if this case finishes in March 2020.

The Caroline Flack case analysed by a criminal barrister - Legal Cheek

What to expect from one of the biggest celebrity cases of 2020

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I disagree with the time scales for a “‘normal person” . We don’t know what evidence the cps have and let’s face it, as he didn’t support the prosecution and it was made public the cps would have probably applied for a warrant to ensure he came to court. In “normal cases” the victim just doesn’t turn up and by 10:30 they have to offer no evidence because there’s been an application to adjourn and it’s been refused! The lengthy arguments would not take place purely because it’s a celebrity this happens in every case.

I would guess this barrister doesn’t spend much time at the magistrates court

 

[Flossy2019]

I believe it was Caroline’s choice to step down when she did

I thought so too

 

[boringbsh]

Well said

Kobe Bryant was charged for rape and more or less apologised for raping the woman despite the case being dropped, but has died a legend and an icon. So when people say "if it were a man, you'd all rejoice" I'm literally like where are the examples in history of this ever happening?!

I’m probably going to get a pile on but this isn’t quite the same, as Kobe wasn’t waiting to go to trial, it happened years ago and his death was an accident. That’s not to say Kobe wasn’t a rotter, there’s just a vital difference in the timings of when Kobe died and when CF died.

EDIT: There’s also something to say about the levels of support via friends/family and community. Kobe had a lot of support, from what I can gather, and access to the best lawyers, management etc etc. There’s also the vilification of the victim, who again (and could def be wrong), was hounded. He then went onto becoming a big star and his apology and acknowledgement was seen as some sort of positive (which is a big nah mate in my book).
CF died a couple of months after the alleged assault, which is very sad for everyone. She didn’t seem to receive the same levels of support and guidance, and the boyfriend doesn’t seem to have his name dragged - and shouldn’t - through the press.
I don’t think the two are comparable tbh but I get your point.

 

[TheMeg]

Instagram is pissing me off tonight. Everyone saying ‘be kind’ ‘you don’t know what goes on behind closed doors’ ‘don’t comment on people online’ ‘words have consequences’... duck OFF! She wasnt ‘trolled’ for not declaring ads or because people called her fat or ugly or a bad mum or said she dressed badly.

She was arrested and charged with violently abusing her partner. People called her out on social media; they called her out on her appalling behaviour because of something she actually DID. It wasn’t just people’s opinions. So yes, I’m sure she had a crappy few weeks since it happened and seeing people talking about it must have been devastating and hard to read. But she didn’t kill herself because people were ‘mean’ to her on social media

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[Doc]

I can’t believe how ridiculous this “Caroline’s Law” petition is. There are libel laws, tighten up in those if you must.

Nobody, especially those wielding influence and in the public eye, should be above scrutiny. It’s not all about the glory of celebrity, famous people can be crappy people too.

 

[Peanut-76]

Also it wasn’t just one ex.

I didn’t realise this behaviour was a pattern of hers

 

[AllAboutTheMayhem]

The self harming because she read texts from other women - gaslighting. My ex girlfriend started cutting herself whenever I did *anything* she didn’t like as a way to manipulate me. So it leaves a bad taste for me.

This is very commonplace with mental health issues- blame their actions on the partner.
That’s why so many people don’t leave their partner when mental health issues are involved... because there is always the fear that they will do something really serious.

 

[TheMeg]

I think she’s always come across as a bit of a troubled soul and obviously couldn’t cope with the negative attention towards her. No matter what the situation, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, how she’s been treated by the press and, more importantly, ITV has been nothing short of disgusting. Look at ITVs treatment of Ant McPartlin - he got into a car accident whilst under the influence and thank god didn’t kill anyone or, seriously harm anyone. What did ITV do? Wrapped their arms around him, told him to take off as much time as he needed and that there would be a job for him to come back to. What happened to Caroline? They hung her out to dry whilst the CPS tried to make an example of her and for what reason? Her boyfriend didn’t want to press charges and whilst some feel that that in itself is a sign of manipulation from her part, we will never ever know the truth. I just hope her family has the strength to get through this awful awful time

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Didn’t she step down from Love Island by her own volition? ‘Celebrities’ court the limelight when it is in their favour but can’t handle it when those tables turn. There’s good and bad in everything and if what is alleged is true than that was her doing. This isn’t me saying that I am not saddened that she felt this was the only way out as she obviously had issues that were out of her control. It’s all so very sad.

 

[MrsKC1981]

So many unanswered questions.

Why didn’t she go to the shop with her friend?

Why was she accompanied in her home, may just popping in for a coffee yeah..

Why didn’t she seek any advice - if we are unaware.

Why did the boyfriend approach her on IG when she wasn’t allowed any contact?Did she feel she would be blamed for it when it wasn’t even her own fault?

Did she do what she did on impulse - Was the suicide an accident?

I think when it comes to the friend nipping out - I very much doubt that her friend even contemplated Caroline doing what she did. The boyfriend post was for Valentines Day. They’ve been forced into not contacting each other since Christmas so that was his way of declaring his love still, timed with the fact that it was Valentines Day. Apparently she found out the day before that the case was still going to go to court in a matter of weeks and it seems that Caroline didn’t see a way out seeing as the CPS wanted to make an example out of this situation and maybe she couldn’t face the embarrassment. In terms of her boyfriend, and I mentioned this in an earlier comment, I really hope that he his being watched over by family and friends at this moment. We only have to see what happened to Sophie Gradon’s partner to know that there’s a chance this won’t end well. Caroline and Lewis’ relationship was most likely volatile and it certainly seems that the two of them were emotionally and mentally unstable but for it to have been played out in the media as much as it was just makes me feel so so uncomfortable

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

Because ITV certainly seems to be protecting its male stars much more than its female. Ant - drink problem, could have caused a much more serious accident than he did, went to court. What did ITV do? Wrap him in cotton wool.
Philip Schofield - it was starting to come out that he had groomed a young runner on TM in 2011 and the runner in question was about to sell his story. What did ITV do? Advised PS to out himself so people felt sorry for him and would discredit any stories that were about to come out.
Caroline Flack ALLEGEDLY (and that’s the important word here) clouts her boyfriend around the head with a lamp but said boyfriend said it’s untrue and didn’t want to press charges yet it was still going to be dragged through the courts. What did ITV do? Writes a generic “we support Caroline” statement with an undertone of “we’re done with her” and left her out to dry. I have a friend who works in the media and the stuff you hear is literally unreal but, as long as people hang on the media’s every word and believe things they weren’t party to, you will always have a Caroline Flack who feels they can no longer go on

Let’s not forget by the same principal you are say CF and alleged so you have to speak of PS as alleged. You can’t pick and choose the word ALLEGED when it suits you. PS has not been found guilty of anything and there is no investigation for him unlike with CF.
I don’t mind if people feel they need to defend CF now she’s passed away but at least don’t be a hypocrit

I think when it comes to the friend nipping out - I very much doubt that her friend even contemplated Caroline doing what she did. The boyfriend post was for Valentines Day. They’ve been forced into not contacting each other since Christmas so that was his way of declaring his love still, timed with the fact that it was Valentines Day. Apparently she found out the day before that the case was still going to go to court in a matter of weeks and it seems that Caroline didn’t see a way out seeing as the CPS wanted to make an example out of this situation and maybe she couldn’t face the embarrassment. In terms of her boyfriend, and I mentioned this in an earlier comment, I really hope that he his being watched over by family and friends at this moment. We only have to see what happened to Sophie Gradon’s partner to know that there’s a chance this won’t end well. Caroline and Lewis’ relationship was most likely volatile and it certainly seems that the two of them were emotionally and mentally unstable but for it to have been played out in the media as much as it was just makes me feel so so uncomfortable

Where do you get the CPS wanted to make an example of her? It says a lot when they go ahead without the support of the victim. It means they have a very strong case along with all the footage of the night in question

 

[Ellie2008]

Aahh OK, yes that makes sense re the Court.

And of course about other victims coming forward.

I honestly don't know what the right move would be but something does need to be done. Especially when trashy newspapers don't just report it once, they drag it on and don't stick to basic fac

This is what I think then someone has just offered another view point that if people weren't named then other victims may not come forward which could strengthen the case against them (they used Rolf Harris as an example of this)

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Sorry no. 1) it wasn’t established what she actually did. 2) the UK has a courts system for crimes no need for a public shaming in the town square and 3) we don’t know why she killed herself but it’s hardly unreasonable to think social media may have been a factor.

I would not want the worst things I’ve done published in a newspaper, I can’t be the only one.

 

[YesIAmThatNosy]

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I disagree with the time scales for a “‘normal person” . We don’t know what evidence the cps have and let’s face it, as he didn’t support the prosecution and it was made public the cps would have probably applied for a warrant to ensure he came to court. In “normal cases” the victim just doesn’t turn up and by 10:30 they have to offer no evidence because there’s been an application to adjourn and it’s been refused! The lengthy arguments would not take place purely because it’s a celebrity this happens in every case.

I would guess this barrister doesn’t spend much time at the magistrates court

Absolutely this. Without going into specifics as I value my anonymity, my career was in the field of prosecution and I specialised in domestic violence. It’s frustrating to read such misinformation, especially when it’s spouted by “professionals”.

 

[MrsKC1981]

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Didn’t she step down from Love Island by her own volition? ‘Celebrities’ court the limelight when it is in their favour but can’t handle it when those tables turn. There’s good and bad in everything and if what is alleged is true than that was her doing. This isn’t me saying that I am not saddened that she felt this was the only way out as she obviously had issues that were out of her control. It’s all so very sad.

I don’t think she would have for one second wanted to step down of her own accord however, the way it was being reported in the media - with unnamed sources, etc would have left her with no other option other than to listen to ITV who, knowing through experience how they and other media outlets work, would have forced her hand in the matter. Not to protect her, but to protect themselves. No one knows the truth therefore what she has suffered is trial by media and a CPS who wanted to make an example of her and she obviously couldn’t take it. It’s so so sad

 

[AllAboutTheMayhem]

So many unanswered questions.

Why didn’t she go to the shop with her friend?

Why was she accompanied in her home, may just popping in for a coffee yeah..

Why didn’t she seek any advice - if we are unaware.

Why did the boyfriend approach her on IG when she wasn’t allowed any contact?Did she feel she would be blamed for it when it wasn’t even her own fault?

Did she do what she did on impulse - Was the suicide an accident?

Also did Lewis cheat on her? I’m not asking because it justifies anything either way I’m just wondering whether there was any truth in that.

 

[MrsKC1981]

Let’s not forget by the same principal you are say CF and alleged so you have to speak of PS as alleged. You can’t pick and choose the word ALLEGED when it suits you. PS has not been found guilty of anything and there is no investigation for him unlike with CF.
I don’t mind if people feel they need to defend CF now she’s passed away but at least don’t be a hypocrit


Where do you get the CPS wanted to make an example of her? It says a lot when they go ahead without the support of the victim. It means they have a very strong case along with all the footage of the night in question

When it comes to PS the evidence is out there for everyone to see - you only have to do a little digging to see video footage etc. And whilst I get where you’re coming from, I work in the media and see first hand how things play out. All we “know” is sound bites from “sources” being fed to us by who? The media! And the CPS doesn’t work as diligently as they would like us to believe again, common knowledge when you do a bit of research

 

[Opalfruit8]

I wonder did she do it as a threat (like with self harming for his attention). And didn’t intend to kill herself.

 

[KLRDN]

Saying CPS wanted to make an example of her is ridiculous and another line rolled out by her fans as a way of excusing what clearly was a violent incident

 

[Casperron]

(#mentoo?)

 

[TheMeg]

I don't think anyones being naive in saying she was a saint, but for that woman to get the back lash, trolling, false stories printed that much to the point she felt there was no other way out.
The same papers that slated her will be the same papers & magazines that run the story tomorrow.
Its about time they shouldn't be able to print anything but SOLID FACTS.....THE TRUTH.

What about all of the good stories that were printed about her....for her beauty etc? Rough with the smooth. Unless her boyfriend was lying and she hadn’t physically attacked him. Then he’s a time waster but something happened that night and apparently her ex boyfriend insinuates there were more revelations to come. Not denying it’s so very sad and feel wholeheartedly sorry for her dear family and friends.