Caroline Flack

[leoladyxo]

I think we can all agree that there have been a lot of self serving celebrity tributes to Caroline. However, this one is really heartfelt in my opinion and worded beautifully.

 

[freda19]

According to my friend it was- she had actually tried to slash her own throat, that was how the whole thing came about. She read texts on his phone while he was asleep and began self harming with a kitchen knife. He woke and tried to stop her. The hitting him in the head with the lamp was as a result of him trying to get the knife off her and she picked up the first thing to hand to fend him off. Almost all of the blood at the scene was hers.

It didn't happen like that. She wasn't even treated by the medics at the scene because she had no visible injuries other than slight cuts on her arms from the smashed lamp.
The bloke was the one who was treated for blood loss from his head injuries at the scene and caroline was hauled off to the police station.
Do you really think the cops put her in a cop car in handcuffs if she had throat wounds?Or questioned her at the station as she was leaking blood profusely from a slashed throat?
It's hugely tragic but rewriting history is silly and does her no favours. Keep it real.

 

[Clickieclock]

I read on a friend's face book page that she went to the same high school as his daughter ,and made her school life hell through being a bully.she was clearly very troubled from a young age. If you're a bully there's clearly something lacking .....

So she was a bully in high school, one ex with and NDA, and the assault on her current boyfriend. Yes she was very much the saint.

There must have been a very good reason why the CPS were still going ahead with her prosecution, maybe there was more on her record than the public knew about?

 

[Be More Pacific]

maybe she didnt intend for it to actually work....didnt her friend just pop out to the shops or something? not sure what she did in that timeframe or even how long it actually was. no note? no message/email to family.....maybe just maybe it wasn't intended that she die, which makes it even sadder

how that friend must be feeling! and her dad, who i believe found her?

I think the inquest will answer a lot of these questions. It will document who she was talking to, what she was saying, her general state of mind as well as things like her blood alcohol/drug levels. Without being callous, I think the method will be key to her intention.

Pills/booze/slit wrists - could be a cry for help.
Hanging - not so much (I keep thinking about that huge mezzanine her flat had )

But women tend to use the former, men the latter.

What I do know about suicide is that not everyone who takes their own life appears to be at rock bottom at the time. You hear people say "oh, he/she was normal, happy even, just before it happened". But apparently, this is very common. The person has made up their mind to go through with it, a weight has been lifted and they can appear happier. She obviously did enough to convince her friend she was ok to be left.

 

[AnnieWood]

Some people are good at hiding mental health issues. Plus you can look totally fine on the surface. I go to a therapist and in front of them are so positive and bubbly but really feeling like poking my eyes out

 

[Silly Sausage]

 

[Anfield Annie]

I just don’t get how these people who knew her take to social media to express their condolences- write a letter in private to her parents. No one just a fuck what you think or your take on it.

Totally agree...even in my non celeb life , whenever any of my friends or family have a tragic or painful situation arise I always Write them a letter or send a card...or as a minimum send a private message..not a generic one on an open forum. It’s called basic manners

 

[Ellie2008]

None of us have lived perfect lives. I hope this changes the way the media report but I very much doubt it will have any impact whatsoever.

No matter what she may have done she didn’t deserve to die.

 

[Peekaboo1234]

The world and their wife posting about this.

Former PT’s sister posting a video for views and attention. So, so insincere.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Reading about caroline flacks suicide really made me think as it reminds me of how I felt as a victim of domestic violence.
I wouldn't blame the cps pushing ahead with the trial. I would blame the media and how the glitz and glam life also catupulates you into a world where everything you do is watched and scrutinised. There is a high price to fame. Yes she made a mistake but it shouldn't of resulted in her suicide.
My ex partner threatened suicide on a number of occasions after hurting me... the difference was what he did wasnt out there for all to talk about and judge.
Whether it was a cry for help gone wrong or deliberate it was clearly a result of the media pressure. She deserved the right to a fair trial and to be anonymous like everyone else.

Just a couple of things.

No one under the age of 18 charged with assault by beating is granted anonymity.

She would have had a fair trial. There is no jury involved at a magistrate's court, only three magistrates who preside. And they most probably would never even have heard of Caroline Flack (I can say this pretty confidently as my partner is a magistrate, chair in training, and he is one of the youngest in his area at the age of 48) although obviously they would be aware of the press attention. They can only find on the evidence presented in court and they also have a qualified legal adviser there (who basically runs the court) to ensure they are doing everything by the book as far as sentencing. I have been to observe!

My partner absolutely thinks she should have pled guilty at the first opportunity.

 

[jewelkitty]

People keep saying if it was a man who took his own life after abuse allegations there would be a different public reaction but I'm not sure about that. I can't help but think of Kobe, yes I know the situations weren't exactly the same and he wasn't convicted but anyone who brought up the rape allegations when he died was demonised. I'm not saying they should have been brought up, just saying I don't think it's so easy to say that any man in Caroline's place wouldn't have got the same outpouring of sympathy, or to wonder why people aren't talking about her abuse allegations. Also agree with the sentiments already expressed about Ant, PS and Chris Brown.

 

[NorthernBelle]

Instagram is pissing me off tonight. Everyone saying ‘be kind’ ‘you don’t know what goes on behind closed doors’ ‘don’t comment on people online’ ‘words have consequences’... FUCK OFF! She wasnt ‘trolled’ for not declaring ads or because people called her fat or ugly or a bad mum or said she dressed badly.

She was arrested and charged with violently abusing her partner. People called her out on social media; they called her out on her appalling behaviour because of something she actually DID. It wasn’t just people’s opinions. So yes, I’m sure she had a shitty few weeks since it happened and seeing people talking about it must have been devastating and hard to read. But she didn’t kill herself because people were ‘mean’ to her on social media

THIS!
If this was a male celeb being dragged to court for domestic violence I’m sure people’s opinions would be different

 

[Followtheyellowbrickroad]

I feel so sad ..... I can’t say I liked her or disliked her... all I know is she is human like us all.... Someone’s daughter .... someone’s sister... someone’s love .... someone who couldn’t take their own thoughts anymore.....

 

[Bexlouell]

I liked Caroline Flack and was flabbergasted to hear this news yesterday. Yes she had received negative press but we do not know the inner demons she was fighting. The media could have exacerbated her mental health but I think it's unfair to soley say that the press killed her. She was awaiting trial for assault, she had done wrong. By no means was she a bad person but if you commit a crime you have to face the consequences, which she clearly couldn't face. Makes me wonder, given the comments of her ex boyfriend, whether there was more to it that would have possibly come out at the trial? I read her autobiography years ago and the consesous I got from reading it was that she was mentally fragile and her relationships were rocky. Regardless, I hope she is now at peace.

 

[OutrageouslyScarlet]

For those saying about the domestic abuse, yes if what happened that’s terrible and she would have faced some kind of punishment. BUT as usual it was a trial by media which is not justice. It is not what any of us would face if we committed a crime.
I just really think they need to be reined in again. Whether you like her or not. She was a person with feelings who was being kicked ally by the media when she was already on her knees

Domestic abuse is obviously absolutely unacceptable for either sex. But we don’t know what happened, it could have been a drunken argument where no one was meant to get hurt.
I have never been a Caroline flack fan but as someone who has suffered From severe depression I cannot fathom what it must be like for national news Papers etc to write how they did about her.

 

[Littl3mou53]

Totally disagree with this, I was in a very violent & emotional abusive relationship. I left (eventually) & took my children to a woman’s refuge. I don’t believe with her it was a prolonged abusive relationship. I believe she was drunk & made a mistake, lashed out which is still not ok but we’ve all made mistakes, although my ex was the abuser I definitely lashed out at least once from the emotional abuse & there’s a difference between domestic violence & a one off, it’s never ok but domestic abusive is not a one off. Truth is we don’t know. She Pled not guilty. Her boyfriend denies it & stuck by her & the court case was ongoing so who are you to say coz she died she’s “the victim”. I’m so bad at expressing how I feel in writing but basically what I’m saying is

She was accused as you said yourself. Not sentenced. Her boyfriend stood by her

I was in a very violent & emotionally abusive relationship that went on for years before I finally took my children to a woman’s refuge but do we actually know 100% she violently attacked someone?! No. He’s denied it. She’s denied it & it was going to court. I’ve heard other stories about where the blood came from. She was self harming & he caught her?! She’s taken her own life. What is it you exactly want? From experiencing what I’ve been through I don’t believe she was like that, I believe it was a drunk emotional one off, still not ok at all but I don’t think she was a consistent violent, emotional abuser BUT the truth is none of us actually know what happened & that’s exactly why this has happened. Who are we to comment. People trolling, talking, speculating, gossiping, hating. At the end of the day this was a private matter no matter the situation & should have stayed that way. Why was it ever allowed so public. Especially before a GUILTY verdict in COURT OF LAW not bloody daily mail or the sun. We’re only humans & theres a fucking lot worse humans in the world. I believe she didn’t deserve this & it could have been prevented

did you personally know Caroline? Is that how you know it was a one off?

also do you propose that the papers are not allowed to report arrests etc unless someone is found guilty at court across the board?

 

[Slithering]

Fearne 'bleedin' Cotton making it all about her and throwing in her beef with the press. Jesus.

 

[Kd20111]

She wasnt even fired from her job! She was going back for the next series. But you dont just away with attacking someone ! The paramedics said blood was everywhere. And she was in his phone spying. She may have been sweet, but really unhinged possibly, too. Its sad, and she probably knew she would go to jail as she had attacked him.

Honestly you should read this thread because you clearly haven't... We're all talking about innocent until proven guilty and you are here jumping in shouting about stuff when their is no proof. It never went to court.. Therfore no facts were released

Unless you were on the scene or there in person you don't know

And Reading multiple articles and news papers doesn't make you any more knowledgable than the rest of us

A life was lost regardless of what facts you know or don't know..

 

[Lucmg01]

Has anyone seen what Andrew Brady has posted ?! Seems very angry and blaming a lot of people but he himself came out publicly and added fuel to the fire ... he isn’t as innocent either !

 

[GrunkaLunka]

How about Jeffrey Epstein? He never got to Court and killed himself, so lets start saying he was innocent too

Epstein didn't kill himself.