Caroline Flack #2

[traceymrsd]

Absolutely this. It was distasteful and uncomfortable viewing (due to the continuously unreliable account and bias displayed by Caroline’s mother). The damaging repercussions, particularly to the assault victim, Lewis, from the “documentary” are already playing out all over Social Media.

People have already gone onto his IG & made disgusting comments blaming him

 

[troutpout69]

Interesting. I too thought of another TV presenter that reminded me of Caroline’s fall from grace, and that was Paula Yates. A very colourful character, very attractive to the press, a lot of public interest in her personal life. All sunshine and rainbows when she was top of her game, but when she got involved with Hutchence, it went down hill and snowballed. The media were very venomous towards her. I remember her being on Have I Got News For You and Ian Hislop in particular being very barbed. A slow and painful decline ensued.

I loved Paula Yates. I thought she was clever and funny. I can’t say the same for Caroline i’m afraid. I kind of disliked her inability to get past the age of 25. I didn’t like the kind of shows she fronted. I did have a slight change of heart when I saw her being interviewed by Kathy Burke. She was very candid and I though quite possibly misunderstood, however that would have been partly due to a public image she had a hand in creating. I certainly thought she could do miles better than Andrew Brady, who I saw on Big Brother riding Courtney Act’s coat tails. Just a serial user and operator. It was clear to see how much the stuffing was knocked out of her during that court appearance. She looked totally bereft. And yet people continued to put the boot in. It’s a very sad case. I think with her melancholic predisposition, fame on that level was quite possibly the worst thing to happen to her.

Totally agree she was never mentally equipped to be in this line of work. You need to have incredibly thick skin at the best of times in that industry!

 

[whyhellothere83]

If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She could not have been babysat 24.7 and she must feel so much guilt

I’m aware of this, as I’ve said I’ve been there many times myself, luckily managed to stop myself. But her mum is blaming everyone other than herself - however I haven’t watched the documentary as I don’t want her mum profiting more off her daughter’s death.

 

[Runningblonde]

My ex was an absolute piece of work and tried to have me sectioned because I was accusing him of cheating and according to him (and his entire family btw) “I’m imagining things”

I found him and a woman in my house in my bed and she was wearing my hoodie.

I still didn’t assault anyone

Things are unfortunately black and white when it comes to the law.

I'm sorry this happened to you and genuinely you must be a really good person. This is not sarcastic at all and I really mean it. You're a better person than most people as I bet many people would at least verbally abuse at the very least and your family wouldn't blame you if you had.

 

[troutpout69]

Did anyone find it unsettling the voice note they played on the documentary which she sent to someone sounding perky saying she is going to make a documentary about it all… like how and why was she thinking about how she could profit off and exploit her assaulting her partner? I find it bizarre.

I took from that that she was trying to sound perky to stop people worrying about her!

 

[Lyla001]

Dunno if I've got this wrong- but her solicitor seemed a bit of a dick. And why did her defence not challenge the blood thing in the bedroom?. Ie- it's hers not his. (They might have done, it just didn't seem obvious in the doc).

 

[ahtisyourself]

Was that her older sister in the documentary? They didn’t seem close at all

 

[Runningblonde]

You’re right we just don’t know so why can you understand why she was so mad?
She went snooping on his phone while he was asleep and didn’t like what she saw. That didn’t give her the right to assault him. She was a 40 year old famous woman who had been dating a nobody in their 20’s for 4 months so the power imbalance was in her favour not his. She had a history or unhealthy intense short term relationships so I don’t think you can blame him for her behaviour.

We don’t know if he was cheating on her and even if he was that still does not give her the right to assault him.

There was stories about them months before, and they were photographed arguing on a yacht in ibiza (it's on the Lewis Burton thread) so I'm guessing she was suspicious for a long time about cheating etc...so I'm only guessing. I've been in situation before where my ex would completely gaslight me and tell me I'm crazy and tell me i am insane etc when in reality I was exactly right with my intuition. Whilst I didn't hit my ex, I'm sort of emphasising with her tbh because I was so mad I felt like I could have done. If she had been mistreated for months by him, I can see why she did something so wrong broke the law by assaulting him in a moment of complete and utter turmoil.

 

[Runningblonde]

Would you give this advice if you sister or friend had been assaulted by their partner? He was absolutely right to call 999, he was the victim of domestic abuse.

No one is perfect, but I can guarantee the majority of people don't go around and assault their partner.

If Caroline Flack had been your daughter. Your absolute pride and joy. Your world. Or your best friend who you loved more than anything in the world and had cut her manipulative partner on the head and then ended her life over the guilt of the assault (I'm assuming) then would you still be saying oh well she did abuse him though. I dont think so but it's easy for us public to see it as black and white because we hold no emotional connection to her. All I am saying is this.

 

[coffee135]

Spoiler: Difficult topic

I think it’s really hard for really limited MH resources. Bluntly if you’ve ’tried‘ multiple times but haven’t succeeded then you’re into boy who cried wolf territory. If you’ve got resource for supporting one person and you’ve got a choice between one who has made one very serious, nearly successful attempt vs someone who’s made numerous not very serious ones, it’s pretty easy to see where you’re going to direct resource. And there may also have been a bit of ‘well you can afford to get help so why they hell aren’t you going on’. I’m not saying it’s right but NHS resources are stretched to breaking point. Arguably in the part of London where she lives (where I used to live), there will have been people in much greater crisis than her that evening.

I think any attempt on your own life should be treated as “serious” though I do understand your point of prioritising and agree with you. The NHS is overwhelmed we all know it, it’s just beyond inhumane that people have to lose their lives over it -not just through suicide but disease too.

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

Caroline had the luxury though of many private clinics/hospitals to choose from in London.

 

[MistyWindows]

Did anyone find it strange in the CPS report they said they had a hypnotist send a letter to them to try and say that Caroline was having hypnotherapy to help her ‘trust more in relationships’ and that a prosecution could effect her treatment. Very bizarre. Did they seriously think the CPS would drop a case because someone is having hypnotherapy done? Her mum mentioned in the doc that the CPS ignored letters sent by medical professionals.. did her mum really think a hypnotherapist was going to get charges dropped?

Hmmm, I’ve had hypnotherapy and isn’t it usually to change your perception of something quite specific? For me it was to help with the anxiety I felt about my driving test, which helped at least a bit tbf and my mate swore by it more recently when he was struggling to give up smoking.

I don’t think you can fix anyone’s complex relationship issues with hypnotherapy unless they’re doing it for a good year lmao.

Also, no way they’re a “medical professional”, hypnotherapy is definitely not currently endorsed by anyone licensed, at least not one who isn’t dodgy.

 

[ara95_]

None of these examples had the other person unconscious though... imagine sleeping and being woken up like that

No I agree. My point was more that female celebs seem to get away with punching their male partners/husbands. Kelly Brook also admitted to hitting Jason Statham, but she did at least get some criticism for that

 

[FrostyChops]

I think the CPS and media did the dirty on her. She shouldn't have done what she did, but they absolutely misrepresented it, which was a contributing factor in her death.

 

[Lurkernomore]

This is what I don’t understand when I worked in supported housing and someone tried to commit suicide they were automatically taken to a secure unit at the local hospital and assessed.

I think it also depends on the trust. It's a postcode lottery on what help you receive due to so many being oversubscribed.

 

[Keet]

Has anyone else read Lewis’ thread? I couldn’t sleep and have gone down a rabbit hole now this new documentary has brought everything up again.

Anyway does anyone who had read it think this poster is Christine? She initially comes on and says she’s a friend of both Caroline and Lewis, I’m only half way through the thread but she says the same things Christine says in interviews and never backs any of her claims up, just keeps repeating the same “I know them you don’t”

 

[mindyaneb]

) He said he didnt want her to be charged, but yet he sent the bloodbath photo to his friend who then sold it. Whats he got to clarify exactly? Thats the chain of events and even though its not his fault she killed herself, thats the truth and is why it led to her not wanting to be here anymore

This did strike me as odd - I sent a pic to my friend of what ex did to me, purely because I knew he’d get my phone and delete it. It seems it was sent to justify him calling the police (which he did, correctly IMO)

I wonder what the message sent with the pic was

 

[Beverley Macker]

If they were asked to take a drug test that’s completely different and not implausible though.
What is implausible, is that they were at Shoreditch house until 2/3am in the morning not on drugs.

 

[thegirlwho2020]

you don’t know when he sent it.

also can we stop with the ‘he didn’t require medical treatment. He was treated at the scene by paramedics. Christine is distorting the facts.

In the documentary it was confirmed he received no medical treatment though? It was in the police reports

 

[squeeze1]

On the rare occasions it happens it families it tends to be brothers, whether it’s genetic or not they don’t know.

Tragic as fuck mind you.