Caroline Flack #2

[Caitlin44]

I’m not sure it matters if it’s true or untrue. It’s what she told the police during her interview. It’s not the police’s job to review someone’s medical records and it’s probably more to do with the risk assessment for her while being held at the police station

Judging on the applications her lawyer submitted to have her charge reduced they didn’t provide any evidence from a clinical psychologist to support any MH diagnosis. Sadly further evidence throughout her life she and her family failed to get any meaningful help

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

And this goes to show exactly how the system is designed to fail people. If you’ve slit your wrists you’re clearly at risk of harming yourself, regardless of what you tell them. If you’ve assaulted someone, you’re clearly at risk of harming others. The idea of “oh they won’t go through with it” is exactly why so many die every single day. It’s devastating and it’s a real pandemic but no one wants to actually talk about it, they just post #bekind on mental health day and move on.

Spoiler: Difficult topic

I think it’s really hard for really limited MH resources. Bluntly if you’ve ’tried‘ multiple times but haven’t succeeded then you’re into boy who cried wolf territory. If you’ve got resource for supporting one person and you’ve got a choice between one who has made one very serious, nearly successful attempt vs someone who’s made numerous not very serious ones, it’s pretty easy to see where you’re going to direct resource. And there may also have been a bit of ‘well you can afford to get help so why they hell aren’t you going on’. I’m not saying it’s right but NHS resources are stretched to breaking point. Arguably in the part of London where she lives (where I used to live), there will have been people in much greater crisis than her that evening.

 

[Miss.Chanandler.Bong]

If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She could not have been babysat 24.7 and she must feel so much guilt

Yet even if she feels guilt she has still turned against Lou for leaving her to go home and back to her child

 

[levitating]

Oh god that is horrific

 

[troutpout69]

It's a fine line in my opinion. Abuse of any kind is usually insidious and what might be a phone being thrown at the head one time, might (probably will) escalate to more severe abuse over a period of time. Any domestic abuse needs to be reported and charged appropriately, and a caution (IMO) would not have been enough.

With the greatest of respect to Caroline, she had serious mental health issues, which won't have been helped by mixing with booze and drugs. (I'm not moralising, I drink to self medicate and recognise I need to change). That said, I have never attacked anyone even when steaming drunk. I do not agree this could have 'happened to anyone'.

I think she will have died by suicide at some point though as she was mentally so unwell. I think it's possible to have compassion for her without excusing her behaviour and accepting that her behaviour was 100% wrong.

I’ve never attacked anyone when drunk either and would like to think I never would, but who knows if you’re in a toxic relationship and aren’t thinking rationally? She defo didn’t help herself drinking with mental health issues, but many people do to self medicate. I’ve done it with anxiety before. Anyway, hopefully in a few weeks this will all die down and her Mum can let her RIP peacefully without playing the blame game.

 

[mollyann]

Just watched Lou's interview and wonder why she wasn't in the documentary at all.Is about 50 minutes in she describes the last few days of Caroline's life and is very different to Christine's version .Molly spoke but Lou was for some reason completely ignored but was a really good friend to Caroline.I bet she feels hurt by the lack of honesty in some parts of this Apple documentary.

 

[banf83]

Not that it has anything to do with it, but is the woman he’s with now the one he was texting out of interests? Lots of fb posts saying it is but don’t know if that’s true

I read an article that said it was a 60 year old client and CF had got the wrong end of the stick.

Caroline Flack's boyfriend 'hit with phone after finding messages from woman'

The alleged bust-up between Caroline Flack and her boyfriend Lewis Burton reportedly happened due to a misunderstanding over some messages from one of his clients

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[ahtisyourself]

Jesus that’s absolutely awful!

 

[Delphinimperial]

to be fair we could all say that we are close to Caroline’s family

Yes, but it wouldn’t be true for everyone. I don’t have anything to prove to anyone here, I just don’t like to see lies spread that she was on drugs that night, when she wasn’t.

 

[Runningblonde]

Even if all of that is true it still doesn’t change the fact that she assaulted him. Victims don’t have to be likeable or nice people to be victims.

Yeah true. But imagine if he had been gaslighted her for months. We just don't know do we. No one deserves to be hit on the head while asleep though but I can understand why she was so mad.

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

This is what I don’t understand when I worked in supported housing and someone tried to commit suicide they were automatically taken to a secure unit at the local hospital and assessed.

Yeah, but the assessment doesn't always mean someone will end up sectioned, which most of the time is a good thing. It *shouldn't* be really easy to section someone - I just think the balance has swung too far in the opposite direction now, where people who really desperately need help can't get it.

 

[Keet]

Glad I’m not the only one thinking this since they accused me of lying, they seem just as deluded

It was the saying they knew the family then some of the comments the last couple of days that got me thinking something was up.

 

[Runningblonde]

You absolutely wouldn’t be saying this if a 40 year old famous man had awoken his 20 something girlfriend by smashing something against her head after suspecting she was cheating

Yeah I wouldn't and you know why? Women are forever seen as second class citizens/unequal to men etc. We have had to fight for the vote/equal pay etc etc. Violence against women is still prominent and whilst I have said many times it doesn't make it right....I can emphasise with her slightly. She had issues/was an imperfect human being and made a mistake and broke the law and as a result she took action and made a decision which means her life is over and her friends and family are heartbroken and their lives will never be the same again. God forbid a mother tells her opinion/her version of events and god forbid other women stick up for a woman now dead! 99 percent of mothers would side with their daughter and look for blame. It's part of the grieving process. I haven't once said that Lewis deserves social media abuse etc. None of it is right and I haven't said so! I have clearly stated it is my opinion and yes others will disagree and that's fine but people have to stop saying if the gender roles were reversed, it would be a different story because women constantly have to fight to be heard.

 

[Runningblonde]

Cheryl admitted in her own book that she beat up Ashley when finding out about his cheating. This was after the nightclub incident. When she found out again, she admitted that she wanted to "chin him again". She got away with this, and when I spoke against it in her thread I had a comment or two say to me that Ashley deserved a beating for cheating and Cheryl was fair to do so. Violence against men does seem more normalised and seems to have more of a "oh get over it" attitude compared to if a man were to do it. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley admitted to wanting to chin her and that he'd actually beaten her up over it, his career would be long over

Victoria Beckham also admitted it too when David had supposedly been cheating on her. In her autobiography she said she punched him as soon as she saw him and cut his cheek with her ring she had on.

 

[whyhellothere83]

Personally after watching the documentary, I am disgusted. The excuses made are the same excuses made by abusers. After coming out of an horrendous relationship, I was put into a woman refuge. I dont know the truth, nobody ever will. I just dont think this documentary sits right.

Completely agree with this! Sending you hugs x

 

[troutpout69]

Perhaps they did of course, but I’m surprised those around didn’t use that as a way to convince her to get help - it sounds awful but saying to her “look if you check yourself in somewhere it will get you some sympathy” could well have helped convince her, and would have kept her safe. Hindsight is a powerful thing though I guess.

It’s a classic thing all the celebs do. Check into the priory or wherever for a bit of sympathy but it works!

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

She had a pattern for dating much younger, very attractive (debateable but she had a type) men who were financially unstable or not as wealthy as her. If the roles were reversed everyone would rightly be shouting about the power imbalance.

In many ways she herself came across immature, she wasn’t known for her broadcasting skills and courted the press to remain relevant. It’s tragic she took her own life but that’s what SHE did.

Considering how well known she was and how many celebs and broadcasters she worked with it’s a bit of a surprise that not many (have any?) come out with support for this version of events.

The younger men weren't always financially unstable - certainly Prince Harry and Harry Styles are worth a few bob.

 

[Beverley Macker]

This is what I don’t understand when I worked in supported housing and someone tried to commit suicide they were automatically taken to a secure unit at the local hospital and assessed.

Things have changed since then, sadly.

 

[troutpout69]

The police body cam footage showed the attending officers had to physically restrain her. I would assume to stop her attacking Lewis or the police themselves.

You’ve obviously never been around an emotionally erratic person under the influence of alcohol (and if rumours were to be believed ). Said person has woken you up by battering you over the head then proceeded then to cut themselves again I assume with something glass as this was mentioned in the 999 call. Any normal person would be terrified regardless if they themselves are a cheat

The report said the only drugs she had in her system were antidepressants.

 

[Runningblonde]

A genuine question - do you believe someone’s life has to be at risk before they report violence to the police?
for example if someone punched me in the street I should not report it if they did not try to kill me explicitly?

ETA: I ask this because in DV cases it rarely begins with an outright murder attempt. It begins with a kick there or a slap there or a black eye explained away as “nothing” before ultimately things escalate. We have made strides in telling people to speak up and report what isn’t right in their relationships before it becomes a tragic statistic and comments like that set that work back years in my opinion.

I understand you are commenting on a specific set of people whose lives are public and the nuances of their specific situation, but saying things like “its not like she was holding a knife to his throat” is really quite a damaging opinion to hold (in my opinion).

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.