Caroline Flack #2

[Mookiegoose]

I always liked Caroline and thought she was treated appallingly by the press, i thought she really shone on strictly she was the same age as me and I was so shocked at her passing
I can't watch the doc but from reading here it sounds like it's not been done sensitively

I suppose the problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't court the press and give them titbits but then complain when they report stories about you. She loved the press when they were on her side.

Looking at some pics of her online and it really looks like the only picture where she has an honest look on her face is after court. The rest of the time she looks like a person really trying to look as if she's got the best life ever and is having the best time, but I get the impression that this was hardly ever the case.

 

[Mookiegoose]

There's a thread on him and it's good. Have a read. It paints him in an awful light. Apparently someone knows of him and he was a scrounger. Caroline was letting him live in her house and gave him loads of money. Apparently he was manipulative and when he rang 999 the night he was hit by her,he had said to her that he was going to ruin her. There's more to it but have a read of the thread.

I imagine Caroline let him live in her house and gave him loads of dosh so she knew where he was at all times.

 

[workaholic99]

I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole because there was just something so off about her mum on the show. Happened upon the cps review for anyone who’s missed it and, wow, eye opening

Witness statement of Lisa Ramsarran in the matter of the inquest touching upon the death of Caroline Flack, deceased | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Also found her mother’s comments to the Di who asked for the CPS to reconsider. Very strange for a grieving mother to refer to Caroline as “that girl killed herself because you put an appeal through”

why did her solicitor not update the police on her health after December?!

 

[workaholic99]

I suppose the problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't court the press and give them titbits but then complain when they report stories about you. She loved the press when they were on her side.

Looking at some pics of her online and it really looks like the only picture where she has an honest look on her face is after court. The rest of the time she looks like a person really trying to look as if she's got the best life ever and is having the best time, but I get the impression that this was hardly ever the case.

I think this is why her death is so hard for everybody to come to terms with. Nobody can marry the person in the media/on Instagram with supposedly such an incredible life to the person that took their life over what would ultimately be a minor assault conviction at worst.

Look at Cheryl Cole and Vicky Pattison, their careers seemingly blew up AFTER assault convictions and Cheryl especially was hounded by the press at the time. It doesn’t make sense that Caroline with her glossy way of living and larger than life personality would be so easily crushed by this, but there was a hell of a lot we didn’t know. Perhaps the press would’ve been kinder if she had been more open about her struggles. Her mum has mentioned a few times that she had been hospitalised for her mental health several times. We never knew that either. All very hard to compute

 

[ara95_]

I think this is why her death is so hard for everybody to come to terms with. Nobody can marry the person in the media/on Instagram with supposedly such an incredible life to the person that took their life over what would ultimately be a minor assault conviction at worst.

Look at Cheryl Cole and Vicky Pattison, their careers seemingly blew up AFTER assault convictions and Cheryl especially was hounded by the press at the time. It doesn’t make sense that Caroline with her glossy way of living and larger than life personality would be so easily crushed by this, but there was a hell of a lot we didn’t know. Perhaps the press would’ve been kinder if she had been more open about her struggles. Her mum has mentioned a few times that she had been hospitalised for her mental health several times. We never knew that either. All very hard to compute

Cheryl admitted in her own book that she beat up Ashley when finding out about his cheating. This was after the nightclub incident. When she found out again, she admitted that she wanted to "chin him again". She got away with this, and when I spoke against it in her thread I had a comment or two say to me that Ashley deserved a beating for cheating and Cheryl was fair to do so. Violence against men does seem more normalised and seems to have more of a "oh get over it" attitude compared to if a man were to do it. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley admitted to wanting to chin her and that he'd actually beaten her up over it, his career would be long over

 

[whyhellothere83]

If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She could not have been babysat 24.7 and she must feel so much guilt

I’m aware of this, as I’ve said I’ve been there many times myself, luckily managed to stop myself. But her mum is blaming everyone other than herself - however I haven’t watched the documentary as I don’t want her mum profiting more off her daughter’s death.

 

[Runningblonde]

Cheryl admitted in her own book that she beat up Ashley when finding out about his cheating. This was after the nightclub incident. When she found out again, she admitted that she wanted to "chin him again". She got away with this, and when I spoke against it in her thread I had a comment or two say to me that Ashley deserved a beating for cheating and Cheryl was fair to do so. Violence against men does seem more normalised and seems to have more of a "oh get over it" attitude compared to if a man were to do it. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley admitted to wanting to chin her and that he'd actually beaten her up over it, his career would be long over

Victoria Beckham also admitted it too when David had supposedly been cheating on her. In her autobiography she said she punched him as soon as she saw him and cut his cheek with her ring she had on.

 

[FrostyChops]

I think the CPS and media did the dirty on her. She shouldn't have done what she did, but they absolutely misrepresented it, which was a contributing factor in her death.

 

[boatofbubbles]

Personally after watching the documentary, I am disgusted. The excuses made are the same excuses made by abusers. After coming out of an horrendous relationship, I was put into a woman refuge. I dont know the truth, nobody ever will. I just dont think this documentary sits right.

 

[jenny265]

Cheryl admitted in her own book that she beat up Ashley when finding out about his cheating. This was after the nightclub incident. When she found out again, she admitted that she wanted to "chin him again". She got away with this, and when I spoke against it in her thread I had a comment or two say to me that Ashley deserved a beating for cheating and Cheryl was fair to do so. Violence against men does seem more normalised and seems to have more of a "oh get over it" attitude compared to if a man were to do it. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley admitted to wanting to chin her and that he'd actually beaten her up over it, his career would be long over

Cheryl was convicted of assaulting a toilet attendant in a nightclub in 2003 and was given community service and had to pay compensation and court costs. I might be remembering this wrongly but I think she’d been charged with it being racially aggravated but was found not guilty of that element.

 

[Yano]

None of these examples had the other person unconscious though... imagine sleeping and being woken up like that

 

[ara95_]

None of these examples had the other person unconscious though... imagine sleeping and being woken up like that

No I agree. My point was more that female celebs seem to get away with punching their male partners/husbands. Kelly Brook also admitted to hitting Jason Statham, but she did at least get some criticism for that

 

[Miss.Chanandler.Bong]

If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She could not have been babysat 24.7 and she must feel so much guilt

Yet even if she feels guilt she has still turned against Lou for leaving her to go home and back to her child

 

[whyhellothere83]

Personally after watching the documentary, I am disgusted. The excuses made are the same excuses made by abusers. After coming out of an horrendous relationship, I was put into a woman refuge. I dont know the truth, nobody ever will. I just dont think this documentary sits right.

Completely agree with this! Sending you hugs x

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

I’m grasping it just fine thanks! I didn’t say he shouldn’t have called the police, I said I thought that a caution in this instance should have sufficed! I’m surprised by people’s lack of compassion over someone who made a mistake and yes lashed out! She paid the ultimate price in the end! I think it could potentially happen to anyone if copious amounts of alcohol is involved and you react badly to cheating texts in that split second! She admitted she’d done it and wasn’t charged with anything like resisting arrest. Unfortunately this all snowballed and him sending pics of her blood to a friend who then sold them to the press is totally out of order! I don’t agree with her Mum sugar coating everything either though. She was ill advised by her legal team to plead not guilty. She herself wanted to plead guilty, but was advised not to! The outcome could have been very different!

She would have been given a caution, but after initially admitting it, she changed her story to accidentally hitting him because she was "waving the phone around", she wouldn't accept responsibility for what she did, and continued to blame him. The CPS report explicitly says this is why she wasn't suitable for a caution.

As someone else said, it's possible to think what happened to her is a tragedy, but also acknowledge that what she did to him was very wrong, and the police were correct to prosecute.

 

[workaholic99]

No I agree. My point was more that female celebs seem to get away with punching their male partners/husbands. Kelly Brook also admitted to hitting Jason Statham, but she did at least get some criticism for that

Cheryl was convicted of assaulting a toilet attendant in a nightclub in 2003 and was given community service and had to pay compensation and court costs. I might be remembering this wrongly but I think she’d been charged with it being racially aggravated but was found not guilty of that element.

and she came back from it and basically became the nation’s sweetheart, on X factor etc! I can’t fathom why Caroline’s team weren’t presenting her with the same strategy. It could have kept her going to know there was a plan. Her agent was tearful in the doc but I think she let her down too by pushing endless silence if I’m honest.

it is crazy the examples we can remember of celebrity women assaulting male partners without repercussions. I guess the difference is that their partners didn’t call the police

 

[Keet]

Has anyone else read Lewis’ thread? I couldn’t sleep and have gone down a rabbit hole now this new documentary has brought everything up again.

Anyway does anyone who had read it think this poster is Christine? She initially comes on and says she’s a friend of both Caroline and Lewis, I’m only half way through the thread but she says the same things Christine says in interviews and never backs any of her claims up, just keeps repeating the same “I know them you don’t”

 

[Sandyclaws]

Has anyone else read Lewis’ thread? I couldn’t sleep and have gone down a rabbit hole now this new documentary has brought everything up again.

Anyway does anyone who had read it think this poster is Christine? She initially comes on and says she’s a friend of both Caroline and Lewis, I’m only half way through the thread but she says the same things Christine says in interviews and never backs any of her claims up, just keeps repeating the same “I know them you don’t”

Why would he have come back home? She assaulted him and was reaping the consequences of that. If the genders were reversed it would be seen for the attempted manipulation it was

 

[hello from me]

Why would he have come back home? She assaulted him and was reaping the consequences of that. If the genders were reversed it would be seen for the attempted manipulation it was

From what I have read on Lewis thread they were still seeing each other.

 

[RinsedHoops]

There was stories about them months before, and they were photographed arguing on a yacht in ibiza (it's on the Lewis Burton thread) so I'm guessing she was suspicious for a long time about cheating etc...so I'm only guessing. I've been in situation before where my ex would completely gaslight me and tell me I'm crazy and tell me i am insane etc when in reality I was exactly right with my intuition. Whilst I didn't hit my ex, I'm sort of emphasising with her tbh because I was so mad I felt like I could have done. If she had been mistreated for months by him, I can see why she did something so wrong broke the law by assaulting him in a moment of complete and utter turmoil.

You absolutely wouldn’t be saying this if a 40 year old famous man had awoken his 20 something girlfriend by smashing something against her head after suspecting she was cheating