Caroline Flack #2

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Absolutely this. It was distasteful and uncomfortable viewing (due to the continuously unreliable account and bias displayed by Caroline’s mother). The damaging repercussions, particularly to the assault victim, Lewis, from the “documentary” are already playing out all over Social Media.
People have already gone onto his IG & made disgusting comments blaming him 🙄
 
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I’ve been on the Lewis burton thread and it’s quite eye opening! He seemed to manipulate and gas light her and in fact was texting other women and moved on within 6 months of her death, posting staged pics of his hand on Lottie Tomlinson’s a. Totally disrespectful imo!
I still think a caution would have sufficed in this instance, although many disagree with me, which is fine!
I agree that there was absolutely no sense in her Mum making this documentary. All it’s done is stir up old tit which can’t be helpful for her friends and family!
 
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His character or lack of is completely irrelevant though. Like even if he is a total sleezebag and she had found out he was messaging countless women sending fool pics galore, an assault still took place and he still had every right to phone the police that night as she was very clearly out of control. I’m not sure what it is about this that people aren’t grasping? He could be the biggest walking ick man child known to man, and he was still assaulted in his sleep. Caroline’s mother, as much as she has researched for the truth, wasn’t there that night and isn’t privy to the bodycam footage that would no doubt have assisted the CPS in their decision to press charges. Not only did an assault take place but she was clearly out of control self harming, resisting arrest and flipping tables and being completely irate and aggressive. It wasn’t just the little light brush with the phone that her mother is painting it to be.

Should the police have dropped the charges on the basis that Lewis was apparently texting another woman and is a bit of a sleaze? No, because in the case of an assault taking place, that is irrelevant. Should they now come out and say they made a mistake and shouldn’t have pursued because he moved on 6 months later with another woman and was photographed with his hand on her a? No, because again in the context of the assault that took place that night, it’s irrelevant.

Honestly this rewriting of it all does nothing only hurt more people and bring it all to the surface again. I don’t think Caroline was the type of person who would still want people to be talking and dissecting every minute detail of the worst night of her life six years later, but yet her mother has made it happen.
 
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A genuine question - do you believe someone’s life has to be at risk before they report violence to the police?
for example if someone punched me in the street I should not report it if they did not try to kill me explicitly?

ETA: I ask this because in DV cases it rarely begins with an outright murder attempt. It begins with a kick there or a slap there or a black eye explained away as “nothing” before ultimately things escalate. We have made strides in telling people to speak up and report what isn’t right in their relationships before it becomes a tragic statistic and comments like that set that work back years in my opinion.

I understand you are commenting on a specific set of people whose lives are public and the nuances of their specific situation, but saying things like “its not like she was holding a knife to his throat” is really quite a damaging opinion to hold (in my opinion).
As someone who got out of a DA relationship this year, I couldn’t agree more with this. It shows that some people are lucky enough not to have been through things. Even a slap on the bum can be see as physical abuse if it’s unwanted and you’ve told them and they still continue to do it. I highly recommend looking into the types of abuse and what people get away with. I’m terrified to report mine and comments on here remind me why I haven’t bothered to yet, 10 months after leaving.
Sorry to change the subject slightly but I can’t believe some people are saying that he could have ignored it and got on with his life - why should he? And that’s coming from someone who loved CF!
 
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If Caroline Flack had been your daughter. Your absolute pride and joy. Your world. Or your best friend who you loved more than anything in the world and had cut her manipulative partner on the head and then ended her life over the guilt of the assault (I'm assuming) then would you still be saying oh well she did abuse him though. I dont think so but it's easy for us public to see it as black and white because we hold no emotional connection to her. All I am saying is this.
Her mum couldn’t have cared that much to leave her on her own so much. If she actually bothered to be there for her - maybe she wouldn’t have died. You’re being sucked in by a documentary that isn’t a police report.

I’m saying this as someone who has had 4 attempts and if anyone around me said they tried to help, I would be mortified! Where is the proof her mum helped?
 
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None of us will ever know the full story. Blaming her mam, Lewis or anyone isn’t going to change anything. Caroline is dead, she hasn’t had a minutes peace since she died either which breaks my heart. I always liked her, she was troubled but I don’t believe she was a bad person. I feel for all involved. Suicide leaves such a mark on everyone 😢
 
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I wish I had had the courage to call 999 the first time my then husband assaulted me, maybe then I wouldn’t have endured 7 years of physical, mental, emotional and financial abuse and I wouldn’t be suffering now from PTSD. You should count yourself lucky not to have ever been in a situation where you fear for your life.
I am so sorry you went through this. I’ve been diagnosed with C-PTSD after my abusive ex and I wish I had called 999 too. Sending you hugs and support x
 
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His character or lack of is completely irrelevant though. Like even if he is a total sleezebag and she had found out he was messaging countless women sending fool pics galore, an assault still took place and he still had every right to phone the police that night as she was very clearly out of control. I’m not sure what it is about this that people aren’t grasping? He could be the biggest walking ick man child known to man, and he was still assaulted in his sleep. Caroline’s mother, as much as she has researched for the truth, wasn’t there that night and isn’t privy to the bodycam footage that would no doubt have assisted the CPS in their decision to press charges. Not only did an assault take place but she was clearly out of control self harming, resisting arrest and flipping tables and being completely irate and aggressive. It wasn’t just the little light brush with the phone that her mother is painting it to be.

Honestly this rewriting of it all does nothing only hurt more people and bring it all to the surface again. I don’t think Caroline was the type of person who would still want people to be talking and dissecting every minute detail of the worst night of her life six years later, but yet her mother has made it happen.
I’m grasping it just fine thanks! I didn’t say he shouldn’t have called the police, I said I thought that a caution in this instance should have sufficed! I’m surprised by people’s lack of compassion over someone who made a mistake and yes lashed out! She paid the ultimate price in the end! I think it could potentially happen to anyone if copious amounts of alcohol is involved and you react badly to cheating texts in that split second! She admitted she’d done it and wasn’t charged with anything like resisting arrest. Unfortunately this all snowballed and him sending pics of her blood to a friend who then sold them to the press is totally out of order! I don’t agree with her Mum sugar coating everything either though. She was ill advised by her legal team to plead not guilty. She herself wanted to plead guilty, but was advised not to! The outcome could have been very different!
 
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Her mum couldn’t have cared that much to leave her on her own so much. If she actually bothered to be there for her - maybe she wouldn’t have died. You’re being sucked in by a documentary that isn’t a police report.

I’m saying this as someone who has had 4 attempts and if anyone around me said they tried to help, I would be mortified! Where is the proof her mum helped?
If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She could not have been babysat 24.7 and she must feel so much guilt
 
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I’m grasping it just fine thanks! I didn’t say he shouldn’t have called the police, I said I thought that a caution in this instance should have sufficed! I’m surprised by people’s lack of compassion over someone who made a mistake and yes lashed out! She paid the ultimate price in the end! I think it could potentially happen to anyone if copious amounts of alcohol is involved and you react badly to cheating texts in that split second! She admitted she’d done it and wasn’t charged with anything like resisting arrest. Unfortunately this all snowballed and him sending pics of her blood to a friend who then sold them to the press is totally out of order! I don’t agree with her Mum sugar coating everything either though. She was ill advised by her legal team to plead not guilty. She herself wanted to plead guilty, but was advised not to! The outcome could have been very different!

It's a fine line in my opinion. Abuse of any kind is usually insidious and what might be a phone being thrown at the head one time, might (probably will) escalate to more severe abuse over a period of time. Any domestic abuse needs to be reported and charged appropriately, and a caution (IMO) would not have been enough.

With the greatest of respect to Caroline, she had serious mental health issues, which won't have been helped by mixing with booze and drugs. (I'm not moralising, I drink to self medicate and recognise I need to change). That said, I have never attacked anyone even when steaming drunk. I do not agree this could have 'happened to anyone'.

I think she will have died by suicide at some point though as she was mentally so unwell. I think it's possible to have compassion for her without excusing her behaviour and accepting that her behaviour was 100% wrong.
 
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It's a fine line in my opinion. Abuse of any kind is usually insidious and what might be a phone being thrown at the head one time, might (probably will) escalate to more severe abuse over a period of time. Any domestic abuse needs to be reported and charged appropriately, and a caution (IMO) would not have been enough.

With the greatest of respect to Caroline, she had serious mental health issues, which won't have been helped by mixing with booze and drugs. (I'm not moralising, I drink to self medicate and recognise I need to change). That said, I have never attacked anyone even when steaming drunk. I do not agree this could have 'happened to anyone'.

I think she will have died by suicide at some point though as she was mentally so unwell. I think it's possible to have compassion for her without excusing her behaviour and accepting that her behaviour was 100% wrong.
I’ve never attacked anyone when drunk either and would like to think I never would, but who knows if you’re in a toxic relationship and aren’t thinking rationally? She defo didn’t help herself drinking with mental health issues, but many people do to self medicate. I’ve done it with anxiety before. Anyway, hopefully in a few weeks this will all die down and her Mum can let her RIP peacefully without playing the blame game.
 
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I am so sorry you went through this. I’ve been diagnosed with C-PTSD after my abusive ex and I wish I had called 999 too. Sending you hugs and support x
Thank you X
From one DV surviver (hate the word victim) to another, just know it was never your fault xx
 
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Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.
I actually feel very sorry for Lou. She and Caroline were firm friends, she was one of the last people to see Caroline alive as she was basically keeping watch.

CF’s mum has said some quite salty things about Lou and IIRC insinuated that had Lou not left (to pick up her kid I believe) that Caroline may not have died.

This will dredge up so many memories for her and possible misplaced guilt. If my best friend had died by suicide and her mum was on the warpath this publicly AND taking sly potshots at friends, it would hurt so much.
 
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I actually feel very sorry for Lou. She and Caroline were firm friends, she was one of the last people to see Caroline alive as she was basically keeping watch.

CF’s mum has said some quite salty things about Lou and IIRC insinuated that had Lou not left (to pick up her kid I believe) that Caroline may not have died.

This will dredge up so many memories for her and possible misplaced guilt. If my best friend had died by suicide and her mum was on the warpath this publicly AND taking sly potshots at friends, it would hurt so much.
That's horrible. Where TF was Christine? If anything Lou did too much for Caroline. I have a young daughter, she's my priority. Caroline should have been Christine's priority, not Lou.

Christine while I'm sad for her seems like a nasty piece of work.
 
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Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.
We’ve all dropped our phones on our face scrolling in bed why does the mum think we don’t know how hard it must have been thrown to break through skin 😭 I’ve taken my own phone to the face by accident many a time 🙈 and never once had a bruise never mind cut the skin and that hurts bad enough it must have been so painful no wonder he called the police!
 
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Maybe their decision to prosecute wasn’t just based on his injury alone. Their body cam footage would have shown her as completely out of control, irate, aggressive and flipping tables in custody. There is a lot more to consider than just the initial throwing of the phone, which she admitted to by saying she whacked him round the head. I’m sure the police were very concerned for what they witnessed that night and that a lot of what they had on body cam is also reasons for the charges persisting. There is a reason Caroline was completely fearful of that footage getting out.
If they were truly concerned for her she would’ve been sectioned under the mental health act. It’s a catastrophic failure that she wasn’t.
 
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They were so terrified of the media twisting every story, hiding her away took precedence over her safety. Her agent basically admitted this too. Granted she ducked up and assaulted someone, but she was failed by people close to her. Her mum is full of guilt hence why she's still going on and making documentaries!
 
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did people really like caroline flack, i couldnt be arsed with her on xfactor - and the harry styles thing ew. I was surprised she was picked to host love island she was a bit better on that but nothing amazing, didn't realise she was such a national treasure tbh
To be honest, I wouldn't have watched anything with her on as she was such an attention seeking pain in the a. The only thing I ever watched was when she was on Strictly as I enjoyed the programme at the time.
 
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