Don’t start me on Stephen Powis
We’re supposed to live in a democracy ,with a government that make our choices for us, elect themselves and tit on the little people .
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They do tit on the little people, yes. But I don’t think that they are all the same. Life under NL was a whole heap more civilised than this current bad to worse situation.
Not anymore when they count the cost.
Ew seriously? So you sneeze into your hand and then presumably go around touching stuff- grim. This is why I hate touching stuff in public, no not because of covid but because people are gross and who knows who's snot you'll be touching
at least sneeze into your arm or something as it's less likely to make contact with stuff. Most of the scientists were already in their respective posts, all are continuing to work in the field, many in the same roles. They were only advisors at the end of the day, you can see their annoyance and some were vocal about their disapproval at government decisions. It's weird though you see an issue with the bad choices yet are critical of the others as you seem to think measures were unnecessary, can't quite get my head around that but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinions and that's fine.
What I'll say from working in a hospital is that an unknown such as this (yes covid is from a family we know of, but this itself was new) was terrifying. Lockdown etc (and there are many elements of it I disagreed with and still do so am not saying I thought the execution was flawless by any means) was necessary not to stop it spreading forever- zero covid was never an option or on the cards- but to push the huge numbers down the road until we knew how to treat it, how it was spread, and ideally had vaccines in place. This was alongside staff being redeployed, certain areas of healthcare stopped, wards transformed into additional ITU space. Some of my colleagues (paeds nurses) were moved to adult intensive care for example, it was scary.
I know you won't be arsed about any of that as you're set on your thoughts which is fine. But whatever you think of the government etc, it was genuinely hell in hospitals and its not like all healthcare staff are lying or colluding for some reason.
You’ve completely lost me? Since when did I say healthcare staff didn’t do their best in a shite situation? I don’t go around spreading snot everywhere I put the back of my hand to my nose and sneeze through my mouth if need be, if you think it’s great that the scientists lined their own pockets while leaving NHS staff to pick up the pieces there’s nothing I can do about that , maybe the families of people that lost their lives through scientific advice won’t agree.Ew seriously? So you sneeze into your hand and then presumably go around touching stuff- grim. This is why I hate touching stuff in public, no not because of covid but because people are gross and who knows who's snot you'll be touching
Most of the scientists were already in their respective posts, all are continuing to work in the field, many in the same roles. They were only advisors at the end of the day, you can see their annoyance and some were vocal about their disapproval at government decisions. It's weird though you see an issue with the bad choices yet are critical of the others as you seem to think measures were unnecessary, can't quite get my head around that but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinions and that's fine.
What I'll say from working in a hospital is that an unknown such as this (yes covid is from a family we know of, but this itself was new) was terrifying. Lockdown etc (and there are many elements of it I disagreed with and still do so am not saying I thought the execution was flawless by any means) was necessary not to stop it spreading forever- zero covid was never an option or on the cards- but to push the huge numbers down the road until we knew how to treat it, how it was spread, and ideally had vaccines in place. This was alongside staff being redeployed, certain areas of healthcare stopped, wards transformed into additional ITU space. Some of my colleagues (paeds nurses) were moved to adult intensive care for example, it was scary.
I know you won't be arsed about any of that as you're set on your thoughts which is fine. But whatever you think of the government etc, it was genuinely hell in hospitals and its not like all healthcare staff are lying or colluding for some reason.
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What do you think of the people who vilified NHS staff during the pandemic? For a long time there was a lot of real distrust and dislike for NHS staff, during the pandemic they were often accused of lying about how many patients were in hospital with covid and after the vaccine rollout there was a lot of hostility towards them from some of those who were against the vaccine (I appreciate that you’ve not expressed any views like this yourself, just curious what you think as you seem to have a fair amount of respect for HCPs).
Some can be reused, what she says isn't incorrect. The guidance was because there literally wasn't enough PPE, I don't expect the scientists to take the blame for the government's lack of preparedness or their crappy procurement process. They did their jobs for the wages they were on pre pandemic, their pushing for restrictions and guidance such as masks saved many lives. If you're conflating government decisions with their advice then that's a shame. No you didn't outright say that but a lot of the x was pointless alludes to it. To see why restrictions at the start were necessary imo it's important to understand what it was like and nowhere was that clearer than in hospitals. The comments about this not stopping covid goes against that.
I remember the faux offence some people online showed when a few Tik Toks of nurses dancing emerged. Never mind the fact they probably took a couple of minutes to film, the fact all NHS staff are entitled to breaks and also bear in mind it was one small thing to lift spirits during what must have been an incredibly tough time...
Nope, angry shitheads took to Twitter to deride them and accuse them all of being lazy or not having any work to do.
You’ve completely lost me? Since when did I say healthcare staff didn’t do their best in a shite situation? I don’t go around spreading snot everywhere I put the back of my hand to my nose and sneeze through my mouth if need be, if you think it’s great that the scientists lined their own pockets while leaving NHS staff to pick up the pieces there’s nothing I can do about that , maybe the families of people that lost their lives through scientific advice won’t agreeEw seriously? So you sneeze into your hand and then presumably go around touching stuff- grim. This is why I hate touching stuff in public, no not because of covid but because people are gross and who knows who's snot you'll be touching
Most of the scientists were already in their respective posts, all are continuing to work in the field, many in the same roles. They were only advisors at the end of the day, you can see their annoyance and some were vocal about their disapproval at government decisions. It's weird though you see an issue with the bad choices yet are critical of the others as you seem to think measures were unnecessary, can't quite get my head around that but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinions and that's fine.
What I'll say from working in a hospital is that an unknown such as this (yes covid is from a family we know of, but this itself was new) was terrifying. Lockdown etc (and there are many elements of it I disagreed with and still do so am not saying I thought the execution was flawless by any means) was necessary not to stop it spreading forever- zero covid was never an option or on the cards- but to push the huge numbers down the road until we knew how to treat it, how it was spread, and ideally had vaccines in place. This was alongside staff being redeployed, certain areas of healthcare stopped, wards transformed into additional ITU space. Some of my colleagues (paeds nurses) were moved to adult intensive care for example, it was scary.
I know you won't be arsed about any of that as you're set on your thoughts which is fine. But whatever you think of the government etc, it was genuinely hell in hospitals and its not like all healthcare staff are lying or colluding for some reason.
You can’t stop an endemic virus, after the first lockdown they knew it wasn’t working hence why we’re in this position today .I don’t agree that the scientists weren’t handsomely rewarded for backing the government’s decisions.
The same as I think about anyone else that doesn’t share my point of view.
The outrage those videos caused was absolutely unreal tbh. Imagine if it had been dancing bin men or dancing ASDA employees, no one would’ve given a shite!
Would just like to point out that this isn’t true, there are a number of previously endemic viruses that have been eradicated.
By lockdowns?
The pandemic really brought out the worst in people, that’s for sure
If you have evidence the scientists were paid handsomely for something it'd be interested to see it out of curiosity? Lockdowns did suppress numbers you can tell from the data. Again, the intention wasn't to try and eradicate it or get to no cases, it was to slow the tide until we knew more. Not sure what positon youre referring to of today, with covid? The NHS in general?
Either way thank you for engaging without slinging insults etc as happens sometimes, I do respect everyone's views and I think it's healthy to be able to debate and listen to and put across views.
My favourite lockdown outrage though was the submariners bbq. They'd be living together in exceptionally close quarters with no airflow, what the bloody hell was the issue with them being in that same group but in the open air lol
Either way thank you for engaging without slinging insults etc as happens sometimes, I do respect everyone's views and I think it's healthy to be able to debate and listen to and put across views.
My favourite lockdown outrage though was the submariners bbq. They'd be living together in exceptionally close quarters with no airflow, what the bloody hell was the issue with them being in that same group but in the open air lol
Unfortunately I'm not privy to Whitty's bank account
how can you say lives were saved when you look at the excess deaths week on week. It only delayed the inevitable imo and people will be suffering for years to come .It’s obvious that lockdowns do slow the spread of diseases. Viruses don’t crawl under people’s front doors - it’s socialising that does it. That is not to say that constant lockdowns should happen but sometimes they are necessary.
I haven’t had covid, yet and I believe it’s because I’m autistic and I rarely socialise.
I haven’t had covid, yet and I believe it’s because I’m autistic and I rarely socialise.
Slowing it isn’t getting rid of the problem it’s just pushing it to another place in time.
A time when we know how to treat it and understand more about it, also as with most viruses its now milder which is good. The issues in A&E/hospitals and excess deaths aren't related to covid as much as lockdown- but only in part. There are many issues and the government has known for many years and never bothered doing anything about it.
Im learning the majority of us believe in choice and universally dislike Bojo, the hide of a Rhino it’s just so true
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Yep, despite our different beliefs, at least we’re all united in hating boris and his tory cronies!Im learning the majority of us believe in choice and universally dislike Bojo, the hide of a Rhino it’s just so true
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