Zoe Sugg #22 No strength in her core and still a total and utter bore!

[ChatNoir]

Alfie's vlog title is just ridiculous. He's making fun of her at this point.

So unnecessary? He could have named the vlog anything else. He knows exactly what he's doing, so duck him for using it for views. Hope all the minions ask constantly about it just to piss him.
Weird to get her a ring for her 30th but 'nOt ThAt KiNd Of RiNg' when he knows she's desperate for a wedding...

 

[mg95]

Alfie’s new video title “Picking up Zoe’s Ring (not engagement)” is honestly cruel at this point. He didn’t have to title it that or even let us know he was picking up the ring. She willingly lets him make a fool of her.

 

[BirdyB]

Alfie really did Zoe dirty. She looks rough here
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Yep, they both certainly did SELL OUT.

 

[amormimi5]

found this on twitter

 

[Blubs]

Never mind the title, he literally says he can't even remember what metal the gold was made out of.. when it was a special 30th birthday gift. How insulting.

He's so irritating to watch only made to 3 mins haha

 

[Bexlouell]

He is taking the piss I fully understand couples that aren't fussed about getting married but the fact she has been so open about wanting to get married then he buys her a ring for her 30th but its 'not an engagement ring'. What is it a bloody promise ring Was giving those for birthday presents in year 6. How can she not be pissed off at that ?! He also said in a recent vlog that they both want to have kids then get married. Shes now 30 and its a fact that it becomes harder with age to get pregnant so surely they have plans to have their first child within the next year or so?

 

[SimpleLifeinLondon]

I’ve just noticed that Alfie never spends alone time with Zoe. It’s always them with someone else.

 

[BirdyB]

I’ve just noticed that Alfie never spends alone time with Zoe. It’s always them with someone else.

Besides when they’re eating a full meal in bed. Sure Mark’s stood outside before

 

[slothella22]

I feel like was only there at the Future Self warehouse today to stop Alfie perving over Lottie.

 

[Killawatt]

I feel like was only there at the Future Self warehouse today to stop Alfie perving over Lottie.

maybe she found out about the affair and that’s why Zack doesn’t hang out with them anymore

 

[Lollipop07]

found this on twitter

I think he’s a total control freak and thinks it’s his decision only and It will be whenever he wants, whenever it suits him, I think he thinks this is the only thing that he can control and so he is pushing it out it for as long as he can for all it’s worth. in his sad little mind that it is the guys job to do it. Which it doesn’t have to be. A bit pathetic really. I’m not saying you have to be engaged or married. But zoe clearly would love it. So if I was zoe 1) I couldn’t be with someone that Self obsessed and obsessed with control 2) if he genuinely cared about her he would take her feelings into consideration. It’s not a case of is he ready because to be honest if I was zoe and I felt like my BF was ‘not ready’ after how many years and shared assets and houses and businesses etc I would be extremely put off. It would not bother me if they just never mentioned it but the fact he is constantly using this topic for click bait and the fact zoe would say yes in a heart beat just makes me Feel really sad for her. Sad that she doesn’t have the self respect to know when she’s being made to look a fool. All because of a selfish control freak.

 

[coconochanel]

Sorry but after 8 years if dating if my bf gave me a 'promise' ring Id be pissed! esp when he knows she wants marriage and babies. Even if he proposed it doesnt mean they have to get married straight away.

I also miss her old style where she would wear jeans flat black boots and jumpers etc. Not the hideous tracksuits she wears now.

 

[laurafray91]

To be fair isn't Holly an office manager? You don't exactly need that role when staff aren't in the office. Can't say I blame her for that, there would be no work for Holly to do and that is exactly what the scheme was for.
The need to run the business like a business. Paying for things, particularly salary, out of your own pocket rather than the business is messy and bad practice.

Yeah so all us actual hard working people can pay the price of it with our tax increases in the future

 

[Chilli pepper 19]

Sorry but after 8 years if dating if my bf gave me a 'promise' ring Id be pissed! esp when he knows she wants marriage and babies. Even if he proposed it doesnt mean they have to get married straight away.

I also miss her old style where she would wear jeans flat black boots and jumpers etc. Not the hideous tracksuits she wears now.

I think once I turned 13 I'd have been pissed if I'd been given a promise ring

 

[SachaStark]

A few couples I knew at university did promise rings (I was on a Literature course filled with highly romantic classic lit nerds), which seemed appropriate then, as everybody was 19/20/21, and engagement was in no way on the cards for anybody so young.

But this is a 30-year-old woman, for heavens sake. I would be highly insulted if I were her.

 

[MarinaScorpio]

Not a fan of Zoe, but I do feel sad for her for basically wasting her 20s on that clown Alfie. She deserves better. I wonder when she'll wake up?!

 

[BoomTimesTwo]

I do wonder if her priorities have changed.. I mean her parents are divorced and didn’t Alfie’s only get married not many years ago? Maybe it’s just that the older she gets she realises it’s not the be all and end all. The baby thing I don’t like to comment.. there are so many people that struggle to get pregnant after trying and trying or have early miscarriages when people don’t know they’re pregnant and it becomes very upsetting when people speculate about things like that. You never really know what’s going on with someone in that department unless they disclose it to you. If none of that is the case, I hope she figures out what she wants pretty soon and finds someone else because she seems like someone who’d be happy to be with someone with a 9-5 boring job and do the traditional wedding thang. Alfie.. he’s just a giant bloody man child, lol

 

[Dillydally]

I am not surprised by the leak re. Holly and the furlough scheme. Of course people like Zoe and Alfie are exploiting the scheme. I grew up around a lot of wealthy people and they were always happy to exploit benefit schemes when it suited them (whilst accusing the masses of being lazy welfare cheats). My dad's boss is taking up a new govt. scheme that's providing certain businesses with the money to build new facilities that will enable social distancing and improved cleanliness. The business has more than enough space and doesn't need this facility, but they are having it done because it will increase the value of their building. Basically, they're taking up welfare that they don't need for their own personal gain.

I'm actually more intrigued by the fact that Zoe and Alfie's staff are all self-employed. Their staff go to the same place of work every day, may even use laptops/equipment paid for by Zoe/Aflie and - if they work full-time at A to Z - likely do not have other "clients".

Employers forcing staff to be self-employed is a serious problem, and something both me and many of my friends have experienced personally. You don't get holiday or sick pay, no pension contributions and you need to sort out your own tax returns (not sure how it is in other countries, but in the UK your employer does it for you). You also have zero job security because you can technically be fired at any moment unless you make an additional contract with your "client". You are responsible for your own equipment. One of the perks of being self-employed is that you set your own terms and conditions - you are your own boss - but in these situations where you are an employee in all but name, all of that goes out of the window. The "client" will speak to you, treat you, and will have the same expectations an employer would. I also have no idea where it leaves you in terms of employment rights, access to trade unions and tribunals (e.g. you're being discriminated against on the basis of gender/race/disability/etc; you aren't being paid fairly; you're being bullied or sexually harassed).

Zoe and Alfie probably pay a reasonable rate relative to the job descriptions (£25k to be a personal assistant/office manager is very good depending on where you live), but it doesn't start to look so good when you take pension, holiday pay and sick pay into account. Freelancers charge more per hour than a standard employee because they take on all the risk themselves.

 

[MarinaScorpio]

I am not surprised by the leak re. Holly and the furlough scheme. Of course people like Zoe and Alfie are exploiting the scheme. I grew up around a lot of wealthy people and they were always happy to exploit benefit schemes when it suited them (whilst accusing the masses of being lazy welfare cheats). My dad's boss is taking up a new govt. scheme that's providing certain businesses with the money to build new facilities that will enable social distancing and improved cleanliness. The business has more than enough space and doesn't need this facility, but they are having it done because it will increase the value of their building. Basically, they're taking up welfare that they don't need for their own personal gain.

I'm actually more intrigued by the fact that Zoe and Alfie's staff are all self-employed. Their staff go to the same place of work every day, may even use laptops/equipment paid for by Zoe/Aflie and - if they work full-time at A to Z - likely do not have other "clients".

Employers forcing staff to be self-employed is a serious problem, and something both me and many of my friends have experienced personally. You don't get holiday or sick pay, no pension contributions and you need to sort out your own tax returns (not sure how it is in other countries, but in the UK your employer does it for you). You also have zero job security because you can technically be fired at any moment unless you make an additional contract with your "client". You are responsible for your own equipment. One of the perks of being self-employed is that you set your own terms and conditions - you are your own boss - but in these situations where you are an employee in all but name, all of that goes out of the window. The "client" will speak to you, treat you, and will have the same expectations an employer would. I also have no idea where it leaves you in terms of employment rights, access to trade unions and tribunals (e.g. you're being discriminated against on the basis of gender/race/disability/etc; you aren't being paid fairly; you're being bullied or sexually harassed).

Zoe and Alfie probably pay a reasonable rate relative to the job descriptions (£25k to be a personal assistant/office manager is very good depending on where you live), but it doesn't start to look so good when you take pension, holiday pay and sick pay into account. Freelancers charge more per hour than a standard employee because they take on all the risk themselves.

Many people choose to be self employed as it's better for them tax-wise. However, in the corporate sector I've mainly seen this with positions such as Consultant, IT specialist and such like where the salaries tend to be quite high. Yes the contract can be terminated fairly easily but such positions are very well paid and sought after so job security is not a particular fear in such roles. It's a bit surprising and uncommon for an office manager to be self-employed, I must say.

 

[Littlemissnaughty]

I am not surprised by the leak re. Holly and the furlough scheme. Of course people like Zoe and Alfie are exploiting the scheme. I grew up around a lot of wealthy people and they were always happy to exploit benefit schemes when it suited them (whilst accusing the masses of being lazy welfare cheats). My dad's boss is taking up a new govt. scheme that's providing certain businesses with the money to build new facilities that will enable social distancing and improved cleanliness. The business has more than enough space and doesn't need this facility, but they are having it done because it will increase the value of their building. Basically, they're taking up welfare that they don't need for their own personal gain.

I'm actually more intrigued by the fact that Zoe and Alfie's staff are all self-employed. Their staff go to the same place of work every day, may even use laptops/equipment paid for by Zoe/Aflie and - if they work full-time at A to Z - likely do not have other "clients".

Employers forcing staff to be self-employed is a serious problem, and something both me and many of my friends have experienced personally. You don't get holiday or sick pay, no pension contributions and you need to sort out your own tax returns (not sure how it is in other countries, but in the UK your employer does it for you). You also have zero job security because you can technically be fired at any moment unless you make an additional contract with your "client". You are responsible for your own equipment. One of the perks of being self-employed is that you set your own terms and conditions - you are your own boss - but in these situations where you are an employee in all but name, all of that goes out of the window. The "client" will speak to you, treat you, and will have the same expectations an employer would. I also have no idea where it leaves you in terms of employment rights, access to trade unions and tribunals (e.g. you're being discriminated against on the basis of gender/race/disability/etc; you aren't being paid fairly; you're being bullied or sexually harassed).

Zoe and Alfie probably pay a reasonable rate relative to the job descriptions (£25k to be a personal assistant/office manager is very good depending on where you live), but it doesn't start to look so good when you take pension, holiday pay and sick pay into account. Freelancers charge more per hour than a standard employee because they take on all the risk themselves.

You can make a call to HMRC about this type of employer. A few years back when I was a lot younger and very naive, I had a job with the same sort of set up. I had set hours, worked in their office, used their equipment etc. When they let me go as the company folded I thought nothing of it then had a letter about tax which scared me!
To cut a long story short: I spoke to a lovely lady at the tax office who decided that I was not in fact “self-employed” and that they needed to chase the company for my contributions!