I like him mainly cos it's nice to see someone from humble upbringings doing well, so many who make it in theatre now have v priveleged background.
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Yes that's nice to see, but at the same time it's not enough for me to engage in any meaningful (or financial) way.
Also people will only 'get' the title of the show if they know les mis well.
Not everything is, or can be, Six and have a life beyond Edinburgh
Also people will only 'get' the title of the show if they know les mis well.
Not everything is, or can be, Six and have a life beyond Edinburgh
Went to see I Should Be So Lucky on tour last night for a bit of light hearted fun. Terrible. Terrible show. The worst audience I’ve ever been in, which I expected but it looked like it was just the man next to us singing along to every song. When the songs stopped, he spoke over the whole thing.
Oh God, I got tickets for this, cheap opening night though as I am expecting a tit story but cheesy songs hopefully. I'm not sure people understand it's an actual show, a group of friends are going and keep talking about how much fun it'll be singing and dancing along. So glad I'm not with them
I saw I Should Be So Lucky a few weeks back and was prepared to grin and bear some bad audience behaviour
Was very pleasantly surprised that even up in the god seats everyone behaved, didn’t sing or dance and seemed to enjoy the show. Hopefully other audiences behave too
It’s not going to win any Oliviers but at £13 for a ticket we enjoyed a good night out and so did everyone around us
Was very pleasantly surprised that even up in the god seats everyone behaved, didn’t sing or dance and seemed to enjoy the show. Hopefully other audiences behave too
It’s not going to win any Oliviers but at £13 for a ticket we enjoyed a good night out and so did everyone around us
Going to be 100% honest it took until seeing your post for me to get the title and I’ve seen Les Mis a fair few times- oops !
Me too. I can’t believe I never got that
I still don't get it and I've loved Les Mis for 30 years
Can someone enlighten me?!It's a line from the show during the wedding scene. 'This one's a queer, but what can you do'.I still don't get it and I've loved Les Mis for 30 years
Rob was in les mis as a child I believe
Thank you so much, I was going through all the song titles trying to find one that could be reworded
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I still don't get it and I've loved Les Mis for 30 years
Yes, Rob played Gavroche in the show and in the 25th Anniversary Concert (which is fairly readily available if you’re curious)
I'm not LGBT but I grew up in the 90s and I can't not think of "queer" as anything but a really nasty bigoted insult. Even now it is still used in that fashion.
I don't feel comfortable in general with the whole reclaiming thing anyway. Apparently "slut" has been considered reclaimed by the British Psychology Society and they advise therapists it's good to call their clinet that word if requested. Wouldn't therapy be better used for to see why someone wants to debase themselves? I'm probably old fashioned but I can't see it as a positive term or empowering.
When it comes to this stuff, I don't really understand the world these days.
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I could rant for hours about what has happened to theatre audiences.
Someone had their eye socket broken at a performance of Swan Lake in Manchester recently, all because they ssshed a person. I do think the fact that they reached out and touched a stranger wasn't on but the reaction from that person's husband who gave the beatdown was mental over the top.
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Oh good. Heathers again 
I recently went to a touring production of the opera Carmen and people constantly talked through it and no one seemed to mind. (I heard someone ask why it isn't in Spanish - well because Georges Bizet wrote it and he was French. Same as how Aida isn't in Arabic, Madame Butterfly isn't in Japanese etc!) It was about three quarters full as well and hearing people chatter in all directions was annoying to say the least
Also was Prouvaire in the 2009-10 national tour
It makes no sense to me why people would pay - often a fortune - to see a show and then just talk to each other. Why do they go! Stay at home and let people who actually want to watch have a nice experience. Selfish gits.
I worry a lot about the amount of fighting, assaults. I was at Cabaret last year and was talking to an usher and he'd been beaten up badly enough by a patron to require hospital (not at that show, I forget which one).
Mobile phones are the biggest bugbear of mine. How they've become this security blanket people can't cope being without is something I'll never comprehend.
The line from Les Mis that the title’s a play on (thanks to this thread I can now claim to have totally got it the whole time…) has actually now been changed (it was changed once the show came back post-Covid). For the life of me I can’t remember what to but I remember it coming across a bit clunky whatever it is and thinking there must have been a better line to have replaced it with.
I think the general consensus tends to be those in a community can reclaim insults however in my opinion it then opens up an argument on of course no one person (or group of people) can speak on behalf of what a whole community does/does not find offensive.
Yeah it has but still uses the word 'queer'
Its in a more positive way, something like 'this ones a queer, I may try it too'
I agree it's clunky and tbh not much better. If they're worried just get rid of it completely.
Problem is its almost impossible to police words when they go mainstream. The N word is used so frequently in grape I know many who have picked it up subliminally through listening and then say it without thinking.
Its in a more positive way, something like 'this ones a queer, I may try it too'
I agree it's clunky and tbh not much better. If they're worried just get rid of it completely.
Problem is its almost impossible to police words when they go mainstream. The N word is used so frequently in grape I know many who have picked it up subliminally through listening and then say it without thinking.
Mis have changed it again in the last cast change so it no longer uses the word queer.
“There goes a lord, I’ll keep him in mind in case I get bored”
for a little bit last year they were using queer and Jew which was very
“that one’s a Jew, this one looks queer, I might try it too”I’m part of the LGBT+ community, growing up in school in the 90s-00s the word “gay” was used more as an insult than queer, so I don’t hold the same connotations with it that different generations do
Ah that's good, the jew comment never sat right with me either. That said it's probably historically accurate to the attitude of the times. But it's not really related to the story so seems unnecessary
I think for me it's not only the past meaning, but even the current meaning. Its so generic, covers so many things and isn't something I especially relate too.
Growing up in the 90s everything was about freedom from labels, so to be so label obsessed now feels do regressive. If I have to I use gay, but that's about it.
I think for me it's not only the past meaning, but even the current meaning. Its so generic, covers so many things and isn't something I especially relate too.
Growing up in the 90s everything was about freedom from labels, so to be so label obsessed now feels do regressive. If I have to I use gay, but that's about it.
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