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Merpedy

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I honestly feel like the death story slowed down the series a lot. I really don’t care and I doubt the newer generation who hasn’t watched the original cares much either. It takes time away from establishing the new characters which makes some of the later choices/storylines feel a bit weird/sudden

I think they should have saved it for later on in the series
 
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pommynoir

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Spot on Gillybean42!

Grantly's first wife, Fleur, was diagnosed with dementia which he tried to keep quiet from the school, but juggling caused a number of stressful situations which resulted in his character becoming moody and grumpy.

After Fleur died he got cosy with Maggie who ran the school house, she stood by him when his kidney failed and I think may have offered her own for transplant. She later became the new Mrs Budgen.
I love Mr Budgeon - his relationship with Harley 🥹🥹🥹🥹

Maggie couldn’t give her kidney, Tom clarkson was a match and was about to do it until he fell of the roof and died.
 
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aaliyahplz

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i just finished ep 1


why would they do that? like i really don't understand what the point is of bringing back the characters and hyping them up, this is the first time we've seen them in 10+ years and we don't know what they've been up to just to do that? also how did she even die, I don't get it? honestly a really poor decision if I'm honest, no one is REALLY watching for all the new characters and storylines people wanted to see kim, chlo and donte if you're going to kill someone at least save that for the end of the series not ep 1, idk if they're relying on shock factor to get viewings but eh it's not good IMO I'm sure the know it's not going to be a popular decision to do that so early on
 
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It’s genuinely sad because in the later episodes it starts feeling a lot better imo, but a lot of people will have dropped it because of the obvious way they explored the whole racism thing and just… it’s a bit boring
I agree. I don’t think it beats the original but it does get better
 
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StephenTJackson

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Grantly was softened to the viewer when we saw his home life as a carer. And his troubles with gambling etc. Steph was always a rock for him. And then when Maggie came along and helped him, he was softened further.
 
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I'm not at all an "anti-woke" person but I do feel that classic Waterloo Road did the social stuff without ramming it down your throat as the new one does. I just don't find it entertaining.

This is not something unique to Waterloo Road of course, I see it constantly in TV now. I feel like I grew up towards the end of the "golden era" of a lot of TV where things could just be entertaining for the sake of being entertaining. I feel like now every TV show needs to have some kind of "progressive", "woke" message which makes me sound really old I do realise that but I think the quality of a lot of things has really dropped off and they've tried to negate that with "look how progressive we are", which doesn't work.

I had exactly the same thing with Gossip Girl. The original wasn't anti-woke (I actually thought it had quite a lot of fairly progressive stuff, e.g. one of the main characters was gay) but it wasn't trying to create a message, it was just fun and poking fun at rich people and itself. I can't really see why that had to end? It's not condoning what they do or what they are like, it's just entertainment.
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Me too. Like the boy who couldn’t stop peeing himself and the pregnant girl who said Jack was the father
A young Jack O'Connell! And Jodie Comer was in it too.
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I'm rewatching and tbh I don't think Tom comes across that well. Yes he has his moments, cared for Mika and Chlo etc but he has multiple romances that overlap, was homophobic to his own son, and comes across as pretty grumpy/surly the majority of the time. He was really horrible to Lorna in series 1/2! Good character though, don't get me wrong.
Yes but that's the point, it's realistic for the time.

He was a fairly terrible man who improved over time and learned to get better. It is called development.

The problem now is they go "oh you're gay, trans, whatever, wahey for you", I can tell you for a categorical fact that's not how it happens. Original WR was not condoning the behaviour, just being realistic.
 
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yayoi

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Janeece's face is .... I don't watch hollyoaks so didn't realise what she looked like now
 
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groovygirl229

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as someone says annoys me more that they used Chlo and Dante to promote the show coming back. TO KILL HER OFF FIRST EPISODE. I’m actually don’t get how this is a logical reasoning unless actress who plays chlo didn’t wanna do anymore. But she’s hardly massive actress so surely she’d have time to do series. Bascially fuming 😤
 
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Leo100

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I also got Sambuca and Scout mixed up

If Scout is coming back then it seems to me the actress isn't getting much work after corrie , maybe it was a mistake to leave there unless it wasn't her choice
 
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FunkyPhil

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I just finished watching the series, yesterday and I’ll express my thoughts behind the spoiler tag

I have to say I’m slightly disappointed with how the series turned out. Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the first two episodes were reasonably good. They laid the foundations for what could’ve been a very strong series. At first, I wasn’t averse to them killing Chlo off, if it meant it could firmly place Donte and his kids at the epicentre of this series, but this never really came to fruition. The only thing I thought was clever about her death, is how it mirrored the death in the first episode of the original series and how it meant Donte was now a single parent just like his dad was. Chlo’s death isolated Donte turning him into a resentful bitter man meaning the character regressed quite significantly by the end of the series. It would’ve been far more interesting watching Waterloo Road’s original golden couple navigate life as parents. I can’t fathom why on Earth TPTB chose to make the decision that they did. They could’ve killed one of the new students off and it probably would’ve had a greater impact than Chlo’s death, considering it would’ve evoked a bigger reaction amongst the current students at WR. Even Kim Campbell seemed completely unbothered by her passing despite knowing Chlo for over 20 years and she should’ve expressed more compassion given that her previous teaching role was a pastoral assistant. I thought her favouring Coral over Donte, was out of character. What’s worse is that we’ve come to find out it wasn’t even the actress’s (who played Chlo) decision to leave.

Chlo’s death brings me onto another negative point about this series. The lack of returnees makes the show at times feel unrecognisable at times. This is in many ways a requel. I understand it would’ve been hard to bring old characters back to a new school, considering the only thing this school, Rochdale and the school in Scotland all have in common is the name but there’s no excuse as to why more past characters couldn’t have been at Chlo’s funeral. Where the hell was Mica? Why couldn’t Kim, having witnessed Donte’s grief, have gotten in contact with his old school friends and encouraged them to come on down to the school, to remind him of the good times he shared with Chlo? Something akin to a high school reunion. Also, I imagine Denise Welch would’ve happily come back for a brief cameo as Steph Haydock, considering she lives in Cheshire so it wouldn’t have been hard for her to reach the filming location, and the fact in the past couple of years, she’s been on Hollyoaks and Loose Women indicates she’s quite desperate for work. The absences of Tom and Grantley are felt in this series, and this is a void that hasn’t been filled by members of the new teaching staff, despite how I think the staff are far better than the students.

I think the teachers are a fairly well-assembled cast. I like Kim’s secretary Wendy (she had some brilliant one-liners). She came across as a very warm character and instantly likeable. Joe/Joel who I assume was a pastoral teacher, was a brilliant addition. I thought he represented how a lot of modern day teachers behave. Coral was a good three-dimensional villain for what it’s worth. It’s a shame she suffered from poor writing and storylining as the actress really deserved better. It made no sense for her to wait until the inquest to tell Donte about her involvement in Chlo’s death. I also thought her bullying of the pink-haired teacher felt like a pointless storyline, as it paled into insignificance, by the end of the series. It would’ve been good if this storyline was explored further to raise awareness about workplace bullying. I’m not a fan of Mr. Guthrie. Maybe it’s because I had expected that he’d be the new Grantley, and my expectations weren’t met. The storyline whereby he pretended his wife had died was downright bizarre as was the plot where the kids went to his house to dig up his garden in search for his wife’s remains. Lindon was a character I just didn’t understand. I was unclear whether or not he was trying to take Kim’s job, meaning I wasn’t sure if his interactions with Kim, ever felt sincere. I didn’t know what the writers were trying to do with him. Val was someone who I felt was quite underused throughout the series. I thought her willingly letting Danny lived with her was a completely stupid storyline. First of all, what teacher would willingly let a student, unrelated to them live in their house, after giving the decision barely any thought? Secondly, surely that breached some form of safeguarding rule. I’m sure teachers aren’t allowed to have contact with students outside of school, if they aren’t related to them. This is one example of how I felt the series generally insulted the viewer’s intelligence at times.

Schools have moved on from the days where school kids were given free periods, and allowed to leave school grounds on their lunch break. It felt like the show had a very outdated view of educational institutions. For example, most schools today have become academies and comprehensives have pretty much become obsolete. Most schools have implemented behavioural units, so I don’t know why it was treated as such a big deal in this series. Also, did anyone actually know the exact professions of each teacher? It seemed they were a Jack of many trades, but a master of one. I thought Coral was an English teacher but was also hosting PE lessons? Who was the pastoral teache? Was it Joe or the pink-haired lady (I can’t remember her name)?

I think some of the new students were some of the best we’ve seen in years on the show (only a very small handful, however). Danny Lewis is brimming with potential, as is Preston (I hope there’s a correlation between his struggle with his sexuality, and his eating disorder so it doesn’t feel like they’re just constantly chucking issue-based storylines in his direction). Despite this, some students were absolutely atrocious characters. Kai, for example. I don’t know how the writers were intending to characterise him. Surely it’s pretty unforgivable to feign homelessness simply because you have a rocky relationship with your parents? However, this was completely brushed under the carpet. I also thought his friendship with Danny just felt really forced and odd. I can’t remember how the pair of them even became friends in the first place. Overall, he is not endearing, but is completely unwatchable and cringe-inducing, as is Samia. I thought Kellie-Jo’s (what kind of name is that?) ADHD storyline was a complete misrepresentation of the learning difficulty. The character was also very unsympathetic. Overall, it felt like the writers constructed stereotypical representations of Gen-Z students on the basis of how they’ve seen this generation being portrayed in the media. The truth is Gen-Z students aren’t that dissimilar to those who went to school in the early ‘00s. Sadly, sexism and homophobia is still rife in schools and it felt like this was barely tapped upon in this latest series. I also don’t think today’s kids care as much about the environment as portrayed in the media. Not everyone secondary school pupil is an activist and idolises Greta Thunberg.

One positive about this series, in comparison to the others, was how there was less block storytelling. For example, it got to a point in the older series’, when they would cover a different issue-based storyline, every episode and they’re would be no follow up to this storyline.

Overall, it wasn’t too bad but certainly could’ve been lightyears better. Hopefully the next batch of episodes is a significant improvement.
Wow, that's a superb summary Don't Start, definitely 10 out of 10 for your homework appraisal 😍!

I won't comment directly on the current series as it's under a spoiler alert, but like you I really enjoyed Denise Welch as Steph Haydock in the earlier series and would love to see her back were the writers to flavour the new cast with more heritage characters. Another of my favourites was Chalky - great name for a teacher too.
 
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mochibean

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so I really liked WR, for all its faults, back in the day up until it moved to Scotland and I gave up on it

do you all think this new series more reflective of old-school WR (Pre Scotland) or Post-Scotland? Wondering if I should try watch it but I don't want it to disappoint. I have such fond memories of old-school WR and I would love for that to come back, but if it's a totally different show then it probably isn't for me anymore. I've read the spoilers already 😆
It gives me a mix of Pre and Post-Scotland vibes tbh. Some things are true to the original IMO but I find the format quite Scotland like. As someone who has watched Waterloo Road repeatedly and grew up obsessed with it, I really enjoyed it. I really had to keep in mind as well that Waterloo Road was very much my school experience at a comp in a poor area, whereas now schools have changed so much.

If you can get past the initial wokeness and don't try to compare it too much it is really good for a reboot.
 
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lozza96

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I want janeece to come back in future episodes and maybe organise a school reunion or something with donty and get alesha and danielle and all them back
 
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tyrell123

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where did preston and kai come from .im here for it though i dont like samira 😆
I personally thing they’ve bashed too many talking points into Preston’s character. Yes, eating disorders, sexuality, homelessness/ cost of living crisis they all need talking about and Waterloo road is good at depicting these things but they used to do one big point an episode. I don’t know what they’re trying to do with Preston as they packed a lot into his character with nothing resolved/ no one finding out what’s going no on?
 
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RosePetals

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Having so few episodes with such a big gap between really doesn't work.

I also think they've made the school too cohesive, with the exception of the new football student all of the characters seem to agree with each other with little controversy, any minor falling out is settled within the episode.

It all just seems quite slow in comparison to the old seasons, which seemed to have some season long plots and plenty of smaller plots. Now it's a couple of long plots that seem drawn out to the point you lose interest.
 
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I don’t think I’ll ever love it as much as the original but I think the first two episodes from this series are definitely an improvement
 
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yayoi

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Appreciate the Mika mention in ep3 but they literally got married after school on a random day, we saw it all and she wasn't throwing up 😭😭
 
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