UK General Election 2024 #2

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Gym&Tonic

New money, Hyacinth Bucket types more than likely. Always worse snobs than the old wealth/aristocrats/gentry types who happily send their kids to the village primary until they get to secondary age.
 
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bluefoot

I tend to think we should have one age of majority/adulthood and stick with it. I keep seeing gen z types argue that they should be treated as children effectively until they are 25 as that’s when brains develop fully. At the same time they want high paid jobs and responsibility. I don’t mind if it’s it’s 16 but then we’ve decided that’s the adult age
 
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HelloStereo

Re: voting age, if there is a lower limit should there be an upper limit as well? It's weird that we don't let a 16 year old vote if they're in full time employment and contributing to society yet a 78 year old with dementia who no longer knows how to put their shoes on can.
 
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bluefoot

I don’t really agree with an upper limit as many older people remain very mentally alert. I think we get into dangerous territory if we start deciding who’s competent to vote or not but I’m going to check on the rules re learning disabilities as this is gap in my knowledge. I think we can agree ‘children’ shouldn’t vote but we need to decide the boundary here

EDIT: I don’t agree with Labour pledge to make members of the House of Lords step down at 80 but I’m glad they’re not abolishing/replacing it
 
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wideopenspace

If any party change voting to 16 will they also change the school leaving age, smoking, alcohol, gambling, obtaining credit etc?
 
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LittleMissOnions

My Grandma is 99 god bless her, but she does not remember what she ate an hour ago (always mince and potatoes with pudding and custard if you ask, this can be even when it’s been something as exotic as pizza!)

Don’t want to stop her voting tho (I say that because fortunately she always votes Labour, it’s the diet of mince and potato that does it)
 
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Moley1

A 16 year old can legally have sex and produce a child. How do you define a “child”? People used to marry at 14 and lower.
I quite like the idea of giving people aged 16 the vote if it encourages schools to teach them about issues that they need to beware of when they leave education.
I am sure that there are many 16 year old who can make well informed decisions when it comes to casting a vote and many adults who can’t.
 
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Blueblue123

If 16 year olds can't vote or be charged as an adult, why do we allow them to work?

I don't think changing the voting age should mean any other distinction between children and adults needs to change too.

We already treat them like halfway between kids and adults and many policies will directly affect them. They should be able to have a say. Parents rightfully vote based on what might impact their small children, so why can't young adults who are contributing to society vote on what impacts them?

In many ways, we already expect them to have some form of independence so it shouldn't be left to people just 2 years older to decide how their lives are shaped.
 
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bluefoot

I’m not against votes at 16, just that we should decide that’s adulthood for other things as well. I don’t see why it depends on it being taught in school. It’s one of my bugbears that many people seem to think if something isn’t ‘taught in school’ then how could they possibly be expected to know it

EDIT: also it feels a bit obvious that some of this is coming from a position that the young vote left (good) and the old vote right (bad) which I’m not a fan of
 
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HelloStereo

The age of criminal responsibility in England, NI and Wales is 10. So I'm guessing you're okay with 10 year olds having the vote then?
 
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Moley1

The arguement is that 16 year old don’t know much about what goes on in the big bad world so surely it makes sense to teach them more about mortgages, domestic finance, political theory etc?
As for younger people more likely to vote Labour, we have an aging population and we are told that older people are more likely to vote Tory. Hypothetically that would balance out.
I haven’t heard Labour’s argument yet but, knowing a few 15 year olds I would worry about them voting soon! If they want to lower it why not 17? Not quite as radical but still ticks a box.
I remember when the voting age was 21. I also remember how clueless I was back when I was 21!
 
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bluefoot

Here’s a (non-serious) suggestion. If, when you ask someone who they are going to vote for, they no longer answer with ‘well, my dad votes for x’, then they’re old enough to vote
 
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L3moning

bluefoot said:
Here’s a (non-serious) suggestion. If, when you ask someone who they are going to vote for, they no longer answer with ‘well, my dad votes for x’, then they’re old enough to vote
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My dad has voted precisely once, in 1983, 3 years before I was born, so I'm not sure that would help in my case
 
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