I would be more nuanced about that. Calling her « selfish » is a bit much I agree and we definitely handle things differently. Getting angry at her because she didn’t contact or answer her friends is honestly quite understandable to me. Well personally I am not angry at her ( she’s not my friend or a loved one) but I would be angry at her if she was my friend and didn’t answer. No matter what you’re going through at some point you need to answer or you’re gonna lose your loved ones/ friends/job, everything …
I’ve been in a low place/in depression a few times in my life and I’ve not answered some friends and still to these days I feel guilty. One of my best friend has bipolar disorder. Depression for bipolar disorder is called melancholia and that is one of the worst mental state you can be in. People are commiting suicide when they are in that state. When we try to reach out to her and she doesn’t answer, we start to panic. It’s normal when you are very low to be « self centered » if not selfish but when my friend hides she knows it’s BAD even when she is very low she knows it’s cruel to do that she knows that we are crazy worried and about to call the police ! And do you know what, even on her worst days when she cannot get out of the bed cannot sleep cannot eat and cannot stop thinking about killing herself she manages to call her job because she knows people are waiting for her !!!
I don’t agree that she wasn’t given good news. What do you mean by that ?How do we know ? Of course her cancer journey is not over but we know nothing about margins, patho results ( it seems that she is waiting for them?) results of the next scan or anything … For all we know she could be NED even if doctors won’t tell her that so soon because they have no idea and would rather wait for the next scans/months/years.I recently talked to my dad about Tiffany (since he had the same cancer) and I discovered that he has a friend who had the exact same surgery and same cancer, she was 60 it was around 10 years ago and now she is totally fine she is a very active lady, doing yoga classes with my dad … The worst part for her was management of the ostomy and not being able to sit. She had to sit on a specific donut cushion and then on a huge soft ball for months … But she is NED, sure it’s worst for Tiffany because my dad’ friend already had a long sex life and kids before surgery but I mean she’s NED. Tiffany is stage 3 she is not about to die and the intent of that surgery was curative, not only to « gain a few years » ! Sure cancer might come back, some microscopic cancer cells might have been left, seeding might have occurred during surgery but we don’t know about that, even doctors don’t know yet maybe , but to me she might be on her way to be NED/and not on the verge of death.
She is probably in so much shock and fear ? Sure many fears but the fear (about dying or cancer) is the same as usual for her and should get a bit better if results are good hopefully . She had almost inoperable cancer before and she was vlogging like crazy and the fear was definitely quite the same I guess… And you are supposedly less « shocked » when you are adequately prepared to something .I have a cousin who woke up after giving birth ( everything went bad she had a general anesthetic in emergency) and she had lost her bladder and learnt that it would be her only son/last pregnancy. It happens to many people for various reasons and that is a « shock » because you didn’t know beforehand what was about to happen… Tiffany was in denial but she could have started to grief and prepared herself before but she didn’t and now obviously she is in a very low mental state probably worse than if she had prepared herself mentally and I feel for her …
But you know, no matter if you’re depressed, very low, in fear, shocked, in pain mourning or anything, when you have a job and can’t come you call the boss, don’t you ?
I don’t mind she’s making money with her channel BUT she makes money thanks to the people who are watching. So it is a JOB, a business … I don’t follow her for personal entertainment but because I have Lynch like syndrome and 1 risk on 2 to get the same cancer so I follow her for informations about her cancer journey.
Sorry to say but it’s a job and we are the « clients » we deserve to know if the shop is closed for how long and if it’s written « bikes for sale » we want to be able to buy bikes if the shop is open. If the business owner has lost her wife unexpectedly he still manages to write « closed » on the door of the shop. If he doesn’t, clients are gonna be angry and if he never comes back he will lose the job. She has responsibility with her job.
She has responsibility with her friends / loved ones. That is why she was sorry for leaving people in the dark. I still feel guilty for leaving some friends in the dark , years after. My bipolar friend feels GUILTY when she is thinking about a plan to end her life while her loved ones are going crazy on her phone … And I love her and forgive her but I am still angry at her when she doesn’t answer ! And both of us do know that hiding is not the solution …
Everyone/lots of people have experienced various traumas through their life, most of the time it does not prevent them from being responsible towards their loved ones and their colleagues/clients. We obviously should be more forgiving if they are in a difficult situation but only to some extent.
Personally I don’t think I expect much from her, she should just say so if she wants to leave, and give at least some basic updates and informations about her health journey if she wanna stay. We’re not her friends or her « loving » family sure, but we are her job. I can tell you that overall, few cancer patients have the « chance » to make money with YT while laying on their bed. If they are alone/no family/no savings and can’t work they have to live on benefits and that’s it and it’s not easy.
Overall for Tiffany, sure recovery is gonna be tough, and having to adjust is surely difficult and I feel for her, but she might very well have a beautiful long life ahead, she has a big loving family, a loving partner( it seems HA) she has money, one day she might be NED and a happy mom, hopefully…
I apologize, I don’t know how to quote direct statements from your post that I wanted to respond to.. I’ll learn eventually! So I copied and pasted some of what you said and responded to them.
‘No matter what you’re going through at some point you need to answer or you’re gonna lose your loved ones/ friends/job, everything …’ - she did answer and she did it on her own time.. she knew what she did wasn’t the best way to go about it as she apologized in her video.
‘I’ve been in a low place/in depression a few times in my life and I’ve not answered some friends and still to these days I feel guilty.’ And do you know what, even on her worst days when she cannot get out of the bed cannot sleep cannot eat and cannot stop thinking about killing herself she manages to call her job because she knows people are waiting for her !!!’
These quotes of yours I feel like you’re comparing again and I do not think you should compare anyones pain or difficult experiences. This was my point in my post you responded to. Just because your friend can manage to call her job on her ‘worst days’ doesn’t mean it’s fair to compare t to your friend. 2 people can go through difficult, identical experiences and get through them differently. Just because your friend has suicidal thoughts, but manages to contact people, no matter how difficult that is for your friend, it’s not right to compare t to your friend. We don’t have a clue as to what t is going through or feeling. Some could say ‘I could contact my friends and family’ but how do you know that if you’ve never had stage 3 cancer and just had PE surgery?
Yep, you’re right.. I jumped to assumptions when I wrote that many of us thought she didn’t receive good news. I apologize.. that was wrong of me.
‘But you know, no matter if you’re depressed, very low, in fear, shocked, in pain mourning or anything, when you have a job and can’t come you call the boss, don’t you ?’
I don’t agree with your statement here. And also what you wrote here
Sorry to say but it’s a job and we are the « clients » we deserve to know if the shop is closed for how long and if it’s written « bikes for sale » we want to be able to buy bikes if the shop is open. If the business owner has lost her wife unexpectedly he still manages to write « closed » on the door of the shop. If he doesn’t, clients are gonna be angry and if he never comes back he will lose the job. She has responsibility with her job.
She has responsibility with her friends / loved ones. That is why she was sorry for leaving people in the dark. I still feel guilty for leaving some friends in the dark , years after. My bipolar friend feels GUILTY when she is thinking about a plan to end her life while her loved ones are going crazy on her phone’
She doesn’t have a boss and she can post whenever she likes. I read comments on here that people were annoyed that she spent so much time vlogging and she should take a break. When she takes a break, people now want an update, when she gives an update, the update is not enough for people. She can’t seem to please anyone. I keep repeating myself. honestly with an empathetic lens, I think your opinion would change. You keep comparing t to your friend living with bipolar and now a shop owner who can put up a sign informing his clients his shop is ‘closed’ because of his wife’s death. It’s honestly not right. I’m sorry for your friend. I live with a neurodiversity a 6 diagnosed mental illnesses. I don’t use my mental illnesses in comparison to t in her last video. ‘Oh I have 6 mental illnesses.. but I would contact my friends and family’ how would I know that if I’ve never had t’s experiences? Yes, I’ve had suicidal ideations after I was sexually assaulted and I couldn’t get out of bed nor eat. In those years, I lost many friends and I secluded myself completely.. I was angry at life. I can relate to her not wanting to contact anyone, but I will never fully understand as I am not t, and again.. we all deal with things differently.
Her body that she has lived with for 30 years has changed, and I’m sure that is so traumatic and devastating for someone. That in itself makes me so heartbroken and teary eyed for her. Yes, she makes me beyond frustrated, but empathy is needed. She has appeared to be in denial for over a year and maybe reality is hitting her now.
I’ve not watched it yet. But my heart is breaking for her already, while reading all your posts.
I’m having a super bad day today so I think I’ll wait for a better day.
Thank you for the pre warning.
hope you’re doing ok
That new video is so desperately sad. The fact she is SO addicted to social media validation that she's picking up the camera as soon as she wakes up from major surgery, while incredibly medicated, is just heartbreaking. How did someone not step in and stop that?
I knew she said she did some filming while in hospital.. but I was not expecting this. I think at the beginning of the video she said ‘I missed a day’ .. a day of filming? Very sad.