The Winter of Discontent #2 Food, energy, transport, jobs, housing etc

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Close the borders? They can’t give away visas for people to come here and drive the trucks to deliver your oil!!!
Should have closed the borders to stop all the EU nationals (who kept the UK running) from leaving, more like.
There’s enough food and electric it’s just more expensive 🙄
people desperate enough to try to cross from France in this weather aren’t taking your leccy
“EU nationals” are not the ones keeping the UK going, the Romanians washing cars on every corner in town definitely aren’t the back bone of the UK - signed an “eu national”
 
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Close the borders? They can’t give away visas for people to come here and drive the trucks to deliver your oil!!!
Should have closed the borders to stop all the EU nationals (who kept the UK running) from leaving, more like.
There’s enough food and electric it’s just more expensive 🙄
people desperate enough to try to cross from France in this weather aren’t taking your leccy
If we are taking in 800 per day… then yes! We need to Be able to provide for the population we have surely? As a country/economy we are struggling…no need for the eye roll.. it’s common sense surely?! Maybe I take it personally? My 84 year old nan won’t accept anything financial help from me… but she worked from 17 years old till retirement age + for the ministry of defence… yet she’s been totally fooked over by pension scheme and is debating whether or not to switch her heating on??!! Really???! It’s a disgrace.
 
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If we are taking in 800 per day… then yes! We need to Be able to provide for the population we have surely? As a country/economy we are struggling…no need for the eye roll.. it’s common sense surely?! Maybe I take it personally? My 84 year old nan won’t accept anything financial help from me… but she worked from 17 years old till retirement age + for the ministry of defence… yet she’s been totally fooked over by pension scheme and is debating whether or not to switch her heating on??!! Really???! It’s a disgrace.
For how many days are we taking in 800?
We lost a few million over the last two years so are we up or down?

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“EU nationals” are not the ones keeping the UK going, the Romanians washing cars on every corner in town definitely aren’t the back bone of the UK - signed an “eu national”
You’re aware Romania is in the EU? And that the UK are short of the workers who used to come to work on the farms, in haulage...from the EU?
 
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For how many days are we taking in 800?
We lost a few million over the last two years so are we up or down?


You’re aware Romania is in the EU? And that the UK are short of the workers who used to come to work on the farms, in haulage...from the EU?
At. Least the past month. I sense something behind this with yourself and if I have offended you then I apologise. But if we can’t keep the established population fed and warm then how can we possibly provide for more?
 
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At. Least the past month. I sense something behind this with yourself and if I have offended you then I apologise. But if we can’t keep the established population fed and warm then how can we possibly provide for more?
I think the point is that with freedom of movement that came with the EU was providing for us
 
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At. Least the past month. I sense something behind this with yourself and if I have offended you then I apologise. But if we can’t keep the established population fed and warm then how can we possibly provide for more?
We can keep everyone fed and warm, admittedly not as cheaply as say Germany or Sweden. I don’t understand how leaving the United Nations would improve things?
 
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We can keep everyone fed and warm, admittedly not as cheaply as say Germany or Sweden. I don’t understand how leaving the United Nations would improve things?
Pros and cons to both? Ultimately we’ve been dealt the decision 😬 we need to improve our living standards across the board first… then help others? I try to help! All the time!
 
Pros and cons to both? Ultimately we’ve been dealt the decision 😬 we need to improve our living standards across the board first… then help others? I try to help! All the time!
You want to list the Pros of the UK leaving the United Nations because I’m not aware of...any? You’re right though, we have to live with the decision to be a member of the United Nations and the charter in refugee asylum.
I didn’t think anyone was still basing their political outlook just on their own lived experiences but here we are
 
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If we are taking in 800 per day… then yes! We need to Be able to provide for the population we have surely? As a country/economy we are struggling…no need for the eye roll.. it’s common sense surely?! Maybe I take it personally? My 84 year old nan won’t accept anything financial help from me… but she worked from 17 years old till retirement age + for the ministry of defence… yet she’s been totally fooked over by pension scheme and is debating whether or not to switch her heating on??!! Really???! It’s a disgrace.
The government is the reason your nan has been fucked over by the pension scheme. Nothing to do with immigrants.
 
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If we are taking in 800 per day… then yes! We need to Be able to provide for the population we have surely? As a country/economy we are struggling…no need for the eye roll.. it’s common sense surely?! Maybe I take it personally? My 84 year old nan won’t accept anything financial help from me… but she worked from 17 years old till retirement age + for the ministry of defence… yet she’s been totally fooked over by pension scheme and is debating whether or not to switch her heating on??!! Really???! It’s a disgrace.
If she’s got a MOD pension then it’s a defined benefit pension which is impossible to be fooked over
 
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Now if the power companies were nationalised you’d have a reason to be annoyed with he government about the price of the leccy, but they’re not. And yes a gold plated pension from the MOD!
 
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If she’s got a MOD pension then it’s a defined benefit pension which is impossible to be fooked over
Then please look over it! She took an oath… met them all .. and still won’t spill to me😂 although I have a beautiful vase from a top Arab gold leaf and totally not anyone’s taste but mine 😂 my grandad also worked for them.. once he passed away they messed her over… big time!
 
Then please look over it! She took an oath… met them all .. and still won’t spill to me😂 although I have a beautiful vase from a top Arab gold leaf and totally not anyone’s taste but mine 😂 my grandad also worked for them.. once he passed away they messed her over… big time!
Took an oath? You mean she joined the forces, not a civil servant at the MOD? She gets a forces pension?
 
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Inflation in the US was only said to be "transitory". Going off the gold backed dollar was supposed to be transitory too 50+ years ago.

Inflation is the biggest theft of wealth....

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I get it's the easy "solution" to blame immigrants/refugees for issues, fascism has been doing that since time immemorial. But I urge you to please look deeper into this and don't just swallow the daily fails headlines.

Immigration is a net plus for any country. Immigrants bring their education that their new country did not pay for, saving thousands, if not more. Free expertise. Compared to the average citizen, they also pay more into the system than they take out. And so on and so forth.

Now refugees - it's an emotionally fraugh topic, but I also can only ask you to put yourself in their shoes. Your home has been destroyed, your children have a bleak future ahead of them. It's not a matter of if, but when things are going to get worse. Somebody tells you that up north there's food aplenty, people live in luxury and safety. Wouldn't you at least try to change your own lot and those of your children?

It's so sad to me that people still seem to think it's an "either- or" situation. The government has enough money to help the underprivileged, they'd just rather funnel it through to their Eton buddies than spend a penny on someone they deem undeserving.

If you need numbers, just look at how much investigating benefits fraud costs, and how much benefit fraud there actually is. Ask yourself - who profits? And in the age of "poverty porn" of "Benefits Britain" and "Life on the Dole", its easy to be manipulated into losing your empathy for people.

Those programmes are propaganda, plain and simple. They make you despise one participant, who is shown as lazy no-good scrounger. Even better if they duck up their Job Centre appointment. Can't even get that right, lazy git. They are thus undeserving.

The other participant is a "good" benefit claimant, because they are working a tit job or have a disabled family member, so they're blameless.

If the first example made you go "well yeah, they should just get their life straight" ask yourself why the duck you think it's humane to take somebodys only income away and leaving them at the threat of homelesness and starvation, no matter how irresponsible they're acting.

Sorry for the lenghty post, I'm just so angry right now. The DWP is fucked up and is linked to at least 69 suicides. They're asking quadriplegics to take an assesment if they're fit to work ffs. They ignore doctors notes, they ignore the workers condition, they are just there to make you give up even trying to claim.
 
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It's a complex issue, it's wrong to say there are no downsides to immigration etc or that every negative article is just propaganda, but yes you need to look deeper into it and the bigger picture too. One side isn't good and another bad, loads of grey areas and complex issues.

We also have to remember that for a lot of them it's our fault due to the west's foreign policy of the last 20 years. We have a moral responsibility after messing up their countries
 
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