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Actually, there are just as many rumours about his not so Hero Harry like behaviour as there are about Andrew. Lots of anonymous personal claims by people that know someone who served with either one of them. I don’t think we can believe or dismiss the ones about Anderw without doing the same with Harry.
I think the BRF did the right thing in both cases. A decade or two too late in Andrew’s case though. Harry stepped back or rather demanded a different set up for his job profile and when he didn’t get it started to publicly attack first some employees, then the institution and lastly his own family members. If you don’t do the job anymore, because you quit or were let go, you don’t get to keep the job titles and benefits.
Andrew has behaved appallingly over the last decades and letting him go was long overdue.
Both don’t represent the monarchy or Britain anymore and therefore have lost certain positions, and rightly so. They should loose more if you ask me, but I get that it’s not that easy to revoke the other titles if at all.
The reason as to why they are out of the family business are very differently though, but it’s not relevant for the outcome. A CEO screwing over the company will loose his business card just as the one that retires or quits for another job.
The P Andrew news being demoted by the RF is being lost among all the No10 news
They are all assholes. I despise the monarchy tbh.
Prince Andrew Accused of Underage Sex Acts
No. I've formed my own view of HRH The Prince Andrew having more recently seen him in action in his interview with Emily Maitlis You based your entire view on one interview? Also you just stated he was an utter cock, for something that turns out to not be true.
www.arrse.co.uk
No 10 apologised to the Queen for having had the party on the eve of PP's funeral. Morons
The pic of the queen all alone at Philips funeral am that are coming out again are so heartbreaking.
I think the thing to remember is that it hasn‘t been done to either protect Andrew or throw him to the wolves, it’s been done to protect the Monarchy. They literally survive by the optics and public opinion.I find ARRSE a good source of Royal tea…Prince Andrew Accused of Underage Sex Acts
No. I've formed my own view of HRH The Prince Andrew having more recently seen him in action in his interview with Emily Maitlis You based your entire view on one interview? Also you just stated he was an utter cock, for something that turns out to not be true.
And if there should be a settlement at any stage, by emphasising that he is a private citizen it cuts the potential ‘tax payer money being used to dig him out of a hole’ comments that would surely follow off at the knees.
I feel like I want to quote the Judge in the Djokovic case … on mature reflection the obviousness of that circus might have occurred to everyone before <the suitcase was sent out for booze>
I imagine they wanted him stripped long ago, I don’t think it’s a secret Charles and Andrew aren’t the best of friends. As well as keeping the cushy life, I think there is still a family element. No one wants other members of their family embarrassing them and bringing shame upon the family, whether it’s to a small town of people or the world. I don’t speak to one of my brothers because I find him absolutely deplorable and I think they’ll be the same.
He hasn’t lost his royal titles. He lost patronages and military roles, and the style of HRH. He is still a prince, still has his dukedom.
You may well be right. But there is a very good reason this is a civil trial and not a criminal one. Virginias testimony in court over time has changed so often that she is not considered a credible witness. Added to which she was unable to specify places or dates and even the names of the men she claimed she was forced to have sex with. Prince Andrew wasn’t even mentioned in the early versions of her story. She had sex with men for money for years and her dad often dropped her off and collected her from work at Epstein’s place. She groomed girls for Epstein. She claims she was trafficked but she also did some trafficking. It’s money she’s after and she’s caught the biggest fish of her life with dopey Andrew. I hope he has a competent lawyer.
I'm not sure her not specifying places, dates and names is a fair criticism. Would you have gotten the names of the multiple men who raped you before they left the room? It sounds like JE had a constant stream of people coming and going so it's understandable she probably had no idea herself. She may not be entirely innocent but she's definitely dealing with a lot of trauma which could explain the holes in her story.
If they were well-known positions and business men - as she had claimed - then yes.
This is worth a read:
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PRINCE ANDREW – The SHOCKING Truth
THE press and mainstream media are refusing to report on a wide range of startling and crucial facts surrounding the Epstein scandal. Facts that could finally reveal the truth about serious accusat…
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OMG, I just wondered whether it was me who wrote this?? I couldn't remember it, but kind of agreed....
Then I realised that our usernames are just really, really similar.
This is an interesting read. Virginia Guiffre is obviously a fairly disturbed and unhappy young woman, who seems to have got involved in drink and drugs and selling her body as a teenager.This is worth a read:
PRINCE ANDREW – The SHOCKING Truth
THE press and mainstream media are refusing to report on a wide range of startling and crucial facts surrounding the Epstein scandal. Facts that could finally reveal the truth about serious accusat…
And this is the tricky issue, can you say a teenager is always able to choose to sell her body, or can you say they were coerced by older men and women into doing things that with hindsight they regret? Its about maturity and choice, which is so tricky to define!
I'm a bit surprised though that after Guiffres previous payout, she is still wanting to relive such a stressful and unpleasant period of her life in public.
I am sure there were an awful lot of other rich men involved in Epsteins orbit, and it was a pretty crappy outfit, run by a filthy rich man, for other filthy rich men who believed themselves untouchable by the law. But now that the mess has come to light, some scapegoats need to be provided to make us think the issue is all resolved, tided up and gone away!
Sadly I would imagine that Prince Andrew....(much as I dislike him) is going to be crippled in the court of public opinion and found guilty of trafficking her. its too close in time, to the guilty verdict for Ghislaine Maxwell, for him to be seen as innocent.
Maybe I should put this in the unpopular opinions thread but The Queen chose to sit alone at the funeral, she could have had someone in her bubble support her or have someone sit 2 metres away. Also, it great that Downing Street did a personal apology to the Queen but what about the thousands of others who suffered and they partied? Do we get a personal apology too? I don’t know, maybe it’s too close to home for me because my Dad died from Covid and I found out it was on one of the days of the parties.
I agree that the gov should issue a general apology to the public and particularly to people who lost loved ones.
I've seen people mentioning the Queen choosing to sit alone a lot recently and I don't really get the issue. Do people think she did it to gain sympathy? I thought it was just her following the rules (although I don't think anyone would have minded her having someone) or even just her wanting to be alone or appear strong. I didn't think that much about it at the time.
For me, the point about the Queen is that she chose not to appear above the law. A lot of the Royal mystique is about the symbolism - she knew what people were going through with funerals for their own loved ones, and therefore she couldn't be seen to be doing less than what other people did. And she was right.
Compare and contrast with those cunts in govt...
Compare and contrast with those cunts in govt...
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