The Moscow/Idaho Murders #4

[Aberscot]

thank you @LasVegas702 this was a good recap, are you from the states as feel You know quite a bit about their justice system.
I wish we could hear the 911 call but I guess we will in time And it’s under the gag order

 

[Chocolatelover123]

I really hope when all this comes out the room mates get some sort of vindication there still seems to be more uproar about them online than the actual killer

 

[LasVegas702]

thank you @LasVegas702 this was a good recap, are you from the states as feel You know quite a bit about their justice system.
I wish we could hear the 911 call but I guess we will in time And it’s under the gag order

You're welcome. I'm American. I usually follow civil cases only. This is my first time following a criminal case or true crime case. So, it's a bit of a learning curve for me. But I watch a lot of EDB, Lawyer You Know and Andrea Burkhart and some other things to try to keep up . But I got interested in this case when people were saying they think that he is innocent. I was like why do that they think that.

Oh yeah got that gag order but they can talk to the media but only about what is in those court documents and no more from what I understand. haha. Both sides are clearly hiding behind the gag order and I can't really blame them , I would too. They have so much work to do. Anne Taylor and Jay Lodgson had another death penalty case that they were working on while they are working on Bk's case. If you look at the court documents, most of the time the assistant prosecutor for the state is filing those documents and signing them lately instead of Bill Thompson. Bill Thompson has an election position which is up for election in Nov 2024. So Bill will have to decide if he is going to run for reelection in Nov 2024 or not. I think that is another reason why he is probably asked for the trial in the summer of 2024 but I don't think that it will happen during that time frame. imo.

I want to hear that 911 call too. I hope that it's played during the trial if there is ever a trial.

I posted this article because it has some information in it that I haven't heard before. But also someone online talked about how they heard that the sheath was found near the dumpster on the ground near the 1122 King rd. but it was found in the house. But this person is wondering what is going on with the way the sheath was found. the state explains it in different ways in different documents. it's weird and even the Washington State search warrant for BK's apartment it's weird there too.

 

[Aberscot]

You're welcome. I'm American. I usually follow civil cases only. This is my first time following a criminal case or true crime case. So, it's a bit of a learning curve for me. But I watch a lot of EDB, Lawyer You Know and Andrea Burkhart and some other things to try to keep up . But I got interested in this case when people were saying they think that he is innocent. I was like why do that they think that.

Oh yeah got that gag order but they can talk to the media but only about what is in those court documents and no more from what I understand. haha. Both sides are clearly hiding behind the gag order and I can't really blame them , I would too. They have so much work to do. Anne Taylor and Jay Lodgson had another death penalty case that they were working on while they are working on Bk's case. If you look at the court documents, most of the time the assistant prosecutor for the state is filing those documents and signing them lately instead of Bill Thompson. Bill Thompson has an election position which is up for election in Nov 2024. So Bill will have to decide if he is going to run for reelection in Nov 2024 or not. I think that is another reason why he is probably asked for the trial in the summer of 2024 but I don't think that it will happen during that time frame. imo.

I want to hear that 911 call too. I hope that it's played during the trial if there is ever a trial.

I posted this article because it has some information in it that I haven't heard before. But also someone online talked about how they heard that the sheath was found near the dumpster on the ground near the 1122 King rd. but it was found in the house. But this person is wondering what is going on with the way the sheath was found. the state explains it in different ways in different documents. it's weird and even the Washington State search warrant for BK's apartment it's weird there too.

I don’t think it will be in summer either unfortunately.
I am following the Delphi trial as well from the states, it’s been pushed back to October.
I cant Believe he was living and working in same place and they had video of him but was free for almost 5 years.
Hopefully justice soon for those girls too and they go for death penalty

 

[LasVegas702]

I don’t think it will be in summer either unfortunately.
I am following the Delphi trial as well from the states, it’s been pushed back to October.
I cant Believe he was living and working in same place and they had video of him but was free for almost 5 years.
Hopefully justice soon for those girls too and they go for death penalty

That Delphi is something else and I have trouble with keeping up with it. Hopefully soon the trial will happen.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

You're welcome. I'm American. I usually follow civil cases only. This is my first time following a criminal case or true crime case. So, it's a bit of a learning curve for me. But I watch a lot of EDB, Lawyer You Know and Andrea Burkhart and some other things to try to keep up . But I got interested in this case when people were saying they think that he is innocent. I was like why do that they think that.

Oh yeah got that gag order but they can talk to the media but only about what is in those court documents and no more from what I understand. haha. Both sides are clearly hiding behind the gag order and I can't really blame them , I would too. They have so much work to do. Anne Taylor and Jay Lodgson had another death penalty case that they were working on while they are working on Bk's case. If you look at the court documents, most of the time the assistant prosecutor for the state is filing those documents and signing them lately instead of Bill Thompson. Bill Thompson has an election position which is up for election in Nov 2024. So Bill will have to decide if he is going to run for reelection in Nov 2024 or not. I think that is another reason why he is probably asked for the trial in the summer of 2024 but I don't think that it will happen during that time frame. imo.

I want to hear that 911 call too. I hope that it's played during the trial if there is ever a trial.

I posted this article because it has some information in it that I haven't heard before. But also someone online talked about how they heard that the sheath was found near the dumpster on the ground near the 1122 King rd. but it was found in the house. But this person is wondering what is going on with the way the sheath was found. the state explains it in different ways in different documents. it's weird and even the Washington State search warrant for BK's apartment it's weird there too.

Sometimes 911 calls are released by the police. I suspect there's something on that call that they dont want the public to hear, maybe its graphic, maybe it gives away something ('Dylan saw a man in the house and thought she dreamed it!) or something else ('Maddie has been getting weird messages from this bloke').

Unless its played at trial then I doubt we will hear it.

 

[LasVegas702]

Sometimes 911 calls are released by the police. I suspect there's something on that call that they dont want the public to hear, maybe its graphic, maybe it gives away something ('Dylan saw a man in the house and thought she dreamed it!) or something else ('Maddie has been getting weird messages from this bloke').

Unless its played at trial then I doubt we will hear it.

Yes I understand that 911 call are released by the police sometimes. I agree that there is something on there that they don't want the public to know for some reason. I Agree it will only be played at the trial if it's ever played.
---
Once again here is one of the earlier articles about this case. This article is based on an interview with the coroner of Latah County, she mentioned that sometime after 2 am is probably when the crime happened and I'm guessing this was shared with the Chapin's before they did their interview on Nov. 15, 2022 with a local station in Washington State.


Coroner offers new details about fatal slaying of 4 U of Idaho students after preliminary autopsies
The four students were found stabbed to death inside a home in Moscow, Idaho, on Nov. 13.

Nov. 17, 2022, 7:58 PM CST /By Samantha Kubota

Coroner offers new details about fatal slaying of 4 U of Idaho students after preliminary autopsies

The four students were found stabbed to death inside a home in Moscow, Idaho, on Nov. 13.

www.today.com

The local coroner is offering more details about the brutal slaying of four college students in Moscow, Idaho, early Nov. 13.

The autopsies for Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20, were completed Nov. 16, Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt said.


In an interview with NBC News Nov. 17, Mabbutt said the autopsy gave a clearer picture of what time the four were killed, their “extensive” wounds, and what the murder weapon was.

"It would have been early in the morning, sometime after 2 a.m., but still during the night," Mabbutt said, adding that there wasn't a medical way to determine who was attacked first, but investigators are "trying to put timelines together with other text messages and other technology."

She said that the murder weapon "would have been a bigger knife" to be consistent with their "pretty extensive" wounds.

Mabbutt said that the victims showed "little bit of bruising" but "nothing significant." She added that some bruising "wouldn't be uncommon during a stabbing."

Mabbutt couldn't say how many times each victim was stabbed but said it was safe to say each of them had multiple wounds. She declined to say where on the body they were stabbed and later clarified that the victims were stabbed in different places and a different amount of times.

Mabbutt said it was likely the four had bled out in the home.

She said DNA samples have been taken from the scene and are being processed. When pressed, she said it was "possible" that some of the DNA being tested may not be of the four victims.

"There were nail clippings that were taken, and other ones that are being sent off, and so that will be processed," she said.

They are awaiting final autopsy results, which will not be available for another four to six weeks, pending toxicology. Mabbutt said in this case, the toxicology reports likely wouldn't be important to the investigation.

She added that the autopsies were completed by Spokane Medical Examiners Office — located in Spokane, Washington, about 90 minutes northwest of Moscow — but she responded to the scene a few hours after police were called.

"It’s pretty traumatic when there’s four dead college students ... who’ve been stabbed to death in one location," she said, adding that there was “quite a bit” of blood at the scene.

"I’ve been coroner for 16 years... we have had multiple (victim) murders in the past, but nothing, nothing like this," she said.

Police said that they did not have any suspects and were still looking for whoever was responsible for the deaths of the four friends.

“We cannot say that there is no threat to the community,” Moscow Police Chief James Fry said at a press conference on Nov. 16. “There is a threat out there, possibly.”

“We do not have a suspect at this time, and that individual is still out there,” he added. “We cannot say there is no threat to the community.”

Fry said that two additional roommates had been home at the time of the killings but they were not considered witnesses and are actively cooperating with the investigation. He said the 911 call came in at noon on Sunday morning — hours after authorities believe the four were killed.

The morning of Nov. 17, Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson told TODAY that it "certainly is possible" there could be more than one suspect in the case.

“The fact of the matter is whoever’s responsible for these murders is still at large,” he said. “The investigators do not know who that person is.”

 

[shadawayo]

I'm sorry for butting in, but have these 4 beautiful people been laid to rest yet? or are the tests ongoing w/coroner?

 

[Luce0331]

I'm sorry for butting in, but have these 4 beautiful people been laid to rest yet? or are the tests ongoing w/coroner?

yes they have been I remember reading about Maddie and Kaylee’s ashes being together, it wasn’t too long after the murders I believe

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

The coroner was finished with them really quickly.

Then it came out the coroner was also an attorney in Idaho who had worked on previous murder cases (defending!)

I wish I could remember her name

 

[LasVegas702]

The coroner was finished with them really quickly.

Then it came out the coroner was also an attorney in Idaho who had worked on previous murder cases (defending!)

I wish I could remember her name

Coroner's name is Cathy Mabbutt. The autopsies were done by a medical examiner at the Spokane County Medical Examiner in Spokane, Washington . Yes Cathy Mabbutt is a criminal defense attorney. She was also the lawyer to James Curtis Leonard.

Who is James Curtis Leonard? Convicted killer comes under scrutiny for Idaho University murders

On Tuesday, December 6, 39-year-old convicted killer James Curtis Leonard was arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife in Moscow, Idaho.

www.sportskeeda.com

There was a live stream with Duty Ron and he had a specialist of some kind on his channel and she said that she was shocked about how fast the victims were cremated e.g. Maddie and Kaylee. But Ethan was buried. Because she said now LE can't go back to the Bodies if they need to .

But there was another document drop for this case the defense is asking for some documents to be unsealed, they only asked them to be sealed because the prosecution asked for them to be sealed.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

Coroner's name is Cathy Mabbutt. The autopsies were done by a medical examiner at the Spokane County Medical Examiner in Spokane, Washington . Yes Cathy Mabbutt is a criminal defense attorney. She was also the lawyer to James Curtis Leonard.

Who is James Curtis Leonard? Convicted killer comes under scrutiny for Idaho University murders

On Tuesday, December 6, 39-year-old convicted killer James Curtis Leonard was arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife in Moscow, Idaho.

www.sportskeeda.com

There was a live stream with Duty Ron and he had a specialist of some kind on his channel and she said that she was shocked about how fast the victims were cremated e.g. Maddie and Kaylee. But Ethan was buried. Because she said now LE can't go back to the Bodies if they need to .

But there was another document drop for this case the defense is asking for some documents to be unsealed, they only asked them to be sealed because the prosecution asked for them to be sealed.

Why would the prosecution feel the need to seal anything? Its like all this nonsense with How the DNA was acquired, the Defense had to push the prosecution to release their evidence, so much so the judge had to order it.

I think BK is guilty but its making the prosecution look very strange in their approach.

 

[AimlessShameless]

Why would the prosecution feel the need to seal anything? Its like all this nonsense with How the DNA was acquired, the Defense had to push the prosecution to release their evidence, so much so the judge had to order it.

I think BK is guilty but its making the prosecution look very strange in their approach.

I think the gag order all stems from how they acquired the DNA, in that it was done in a non legit way which was then the only route to BK and without this they had no suspect.

So because they are thin ice on this they are keeping everything they can gagged for fear that it will then all unravel and jeopardise the whole case.

It will be interesting if they have got this through non legit methods, what this means for general citizens and what the FBI can effectively probe into.

I'm still on the fence with BK being solely responsible for this and still not convinced that Brent K had nothing to do with it but without any clear evidence apart from the touch DNA nothing makes sense at the moment. Hopefully the trial will be in the public domain to allow this "watertight evidence" to prove that it was solely BK who was responsible, as I would not want to be a juror making a death penalty decision on just this.

 

[LasVegas702]

I think the gag order all stems from how they acquired the DNA, in that it was done in a non legit way which was then the only route to BK and without this they had no suspect.

So because they are thin ice on this they are keeping everything they can gagged for fear that it will then all unravel and jeopardise the whole case.

It will be interesting if they have got this through non legit methods, what this means for general citizens and what the FBI can effectively probe into.

I'm still on the fence with BK being solely responsible for this and still not convinced that Brent K had nothing to do with it but without any clear evidence apart from the touch DNA nothing makes sense at the moment. Hopefully the trial will be in the public domain to allow this "watertight evidence" to prove that it was solely BK who was responsible, as I would not want to be a juror making a death penalty decision on just this.

I don't think that the non dissemination order have anything to do with the how they got the DNA. But I do agree that there may be something off about how they got to his DNA. . Even though MPD was given a "tip" about BK they were still suppose to investigate if the suspect did commit that crime but for the defense to stated in court documents that they don't know what came first the car or the IGG. Based on the discovery that they got from the prosecutor and from the defense team doing their own investigation of whether or not their client committed the crime. That's a huge problem imo. Because you have to remember that the defense team does have a criminal investigation or private investigator that is former Law enforcement. This guy has worked with Anne Taylor in the past before. But during the hearing in June 2023, Anne Taylor said in open court that this shouldn't be a trial by ambush and she's correct about that. At that time Anne still needed the report about the cell phone pings from the FBI CAST expert and that was six months later and state said that they didn't have it. SMH. I heard that the gag order is only there until the trial starts and it has been used in other high profile cases too from what I understand. But don't quote me on that. But one of the bigger problems with the dna is that it's touch/trace dna is that it's a partial print from what I understand. IGG isn't foolproof either and Cece Moore got someone's IGG incorrect once and I had to go back to that drawing board again. Another problem is that Idaho State lab sent the sheath to the private lab and when the private lab was building that IGG tree. They stopped them and they sent it to the FBI and they completed the IGG family tree. This is all so wild. There is a reason that private lab in Texas is only used for cold cold cases and not active cases. Because during the hearing about the IGG information Anne said that they had the SNP from the private lab but there was problems with it and that information was missing. SMH. It's a big mess imo.
---

Why would the prosecution feel the need to seal anything? Its like all this nonsense with How the DNA was acquired, the Defense had to push the prosecution to release their evidence, so much so the judge had to order it.

I think BK is guilty but its making the prosecution look very strange in their approach.

good question. I agree that the prosecution does look very strange with how they are handling this case. there are people upset with the Judge, some people think that he should have jumped in sooner about the prosecution being slow to turn discovery over to the defense. Some people are even wondering why the judge hasn't sanctioned the prosecution over it yet and that's a good question imo.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

I don't think that the non dissemination order have anything to do with the how they got the DNA. But I do agree that there may be something off about how they got to his DNA. . Even though MPD was given a "tip" about BK they were still suppose to investigate if the suspect did commit that crime but for the defense to stated in court documents that they don't know what came first the car or the IGG. Based on the discovery that they got from the prosecutor and from the defense team doing their own investigation of whether or not their client committed the crime. That's a huge problem imo. Because you have to remember that the defense team does have a criminal investigation or private investigator that is former Law enforcement. This guy has worked with Anne Taylor in the past before. But during the hearing in June 2023, Anne Taylor said in open court that this shouldn't be a trial by ambush and she's correct about that. At that time Anne still needed the report about the cell phone pings from the FBI CAST expert and that was six months later and state said that they didn't have it. SMH. I heard that the gag order is only there until the trial starts and it has been used in other high profile cases too from what I understand. But don't quote me on that. But one of the bigger problems with the dna is that it's touch/trace dna is that it's a partial print from what I understand. IGG isn't foolproof either and Cece Moore got someone's IGG incorrect once and I had to go back to that drawing board again. Another problem is that Idaho State lab sent the sheath to the private lab and when the private lab was building that IGG tree. They stopped them and they sent it to the FBI and they completed the IGG family tree. This is all so wild. There is a reason that private lab in Texas is only used for cold cold cases and not active cases. Because during the hearing about the IGG information Anne said that they had the SNP from the private lab but there was problems with it and that information was missing. SMH. It's a big mess imo.
---

good question. I agree that the prosecution does look very strange with how they are handling this case. there are people upset with the Judge, some people think that he should have jumped in sooner about the prosecution being slow to turn discovery over to the defense. Some people are even wondering why the judge hasn't sanctioned the prosecution over it yet and that's a good question imo.

Are you saying they sent the touch dna sample, and then the sheath to this private lab, realised there was an issue (perhaps risk of contamination, or that the lab was unorthodox\a weird approach) and then sent the touch dna to the FBI?

Also, what is IGG and SNP? sorry!

 

[LasVegas702]

Are you saying they sent the touch dna sample, and then the sheath to this private lab, realised there was an issue (perhaps risk of contamination, or that the lab was unorthodox\a weird approach) and then sent the touch dna to the FBI?

Also, what is IGG and SNP? sorry!

It's okay.

IGG is Investigative Genetic Genealogy
SNP is Single Nucleotide Polymorphism which are used to build a family tree.

Idaho State Forensic Lab sent the sheath to the private lab to create the SNP from the touch dna on the sheath. I think that the Idaho State Forensic Lab stopped the private lab during the process of making the family tree for the FBI to take over that process. I'm not totally sure why Idaho State forensic lab did that. But I think that there are probably several reasons why that happened. The SNP profile that was created by the private lab was sent to the FBI and the FBI's software had to make some adjustments to it so that it could work with FBI's software parameters. I don't think that Idaho State Police sent the sheath to the FBI by the looks of it. But during the IGG hearing on Nov. 2, 2023, the lead counsel for the defense stated that there was problems or information missing from the SNP profile from the private lab. The SNP is a partial print according to one of the DNA experts for the defense. I heard that Idaho State forensic lab probably stopped the process with the private because they wasn't getting the results that they were looking for. But I also heard that Othram Lab won't work a case if they sample is too small. But it's true that Othram Lab doesn't have a certain certification that most labs have that do IGG, if that source has that right.


.the screenshots below are from the document that was filed by the prosecutor about why he wants a protective order.

 

[LasVegas702]

Are you saying they sent the touch dna sample, and then the sheath to this private lab, realised there was an issue (perhaps risk of contamination, or that the lab was unorthodox\a weird approach) and then sent the touch dna to the FBI?

Also, what is IGG and SNP? sorry!

This is a screenshot from the declaration written by BICKA BARLOW ,a dna expert hired by the defense and she said that the dna is partial .

 

[LasVegas702]

'

Are you saying they sent the touch dna sample, and then the sheath to this private lab, realised there was an issue (perhaps risk of contamination, or that the lab was unorthodox\a weird approach) and then sent the touch dna to the FBI?

Also, what is IGG and SNP? sorry!

I just found this article today about the FBI and Othram Lab does work together sometimes. I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to find that information about Othram Lab's certification situation. Look at the date of this article too it's from Nov 2022 before the murders happened. It talks about damaged DNA mmm

Texas lab pieced together DNA to identify 'Lady of the Dunes'
Updated on: November 5, 2022 / 7:54 AM EDT / CBS Boston

By Mike Sullivan, WBZ-TV

PROVINCETOWN - Recently, FBI investigators were able to crack the case of the longest unidentified homicide victim in Massachusetts. She was known as the Lady of the Dunes. Her identity was discovered thanks to a lab in Texas.

Her name is Ruth Marie Terry, and she was brutally murdered in 1974. Her body was found lying in sand dunes near Provincetown. Investigators believe her killer removed her hands and nearly severed her head, in an attempt to make her harder to identify. Her remains were unidentified for 48 years.

This year the FBI called on Othram Labs to help piece together her DNA. They were sent pieces of her skeletal remains. Othram's CEO says the FBI sometimes comes to them after they have exhausted every avenue of identification.

"They may have tried anything on the case from facial reconstructions, to finger printing searches, dental records, pursued all of the leads possible," said David Mittelman, CEO of Othram Laboratories. "Problem comes when you have a case like this, and the bones were treated in formaldehyde. It's a preservative to preserve the remains, so they can be examined later on. The problem with formaldehyde is that while it does a wonderful job preserving the material, it basically damages the DNA. It dehydrates it and pulls all of the water out. It puts it in a fixed state. As you begin to dehydrate it, it breaks the DNA into pieces, and sometimes there are these big molecules that are proteins stuck on the DNA sequence."

Othram uses new technologies and special computers to weed through the clutter and piece the DNA back together. They have been using this technology on cases for some time. You can learn about other cases on their website DNASolves.com.

"That is what we specialize in. How do you take the most terrible forensic input DNA that is challenging or damaged, and so on, and produce from that a profile that would look as if you swabbed your cheek just the other day," said Mittelman. "You have to be able to build a DNA profile. If you can't build a DNA profile, you're out of luck. A lot of times these cases are stuck because they aren't able to develop enough of a DNA extract or DNA profile to move forward."

The FBI took that DNA sequence and put it through a genealogical database to find a relative of Terry's.

"When you compare your DNA profile for the unknown person to a bunch of known persons you need an apples-to-apples comparison," explained Mittelman, talking about how clear the DNA sequence must be to find a match. "You and I can be brothers, but if we have too much noise, I wouldn't see the relationship because my damaged profile would look too different."

Now just a week after making the discovery, investigators already have a lead. They are looking for any information about Terry's ex-husband Guy Rockwell Muldavin.

 

[LasVegas702]

Are you saying they sent the touch dna sample, and then the sheath to this private lab, realised there was an issue (perhaps risk of contamination, or that the lab was unorthodox\a weird approach) and then sent the touch dna to the FBI?

Also, what is IGG and SNP? sorry!

I have a few theories about why the private lab was stopped but I'm not sure on these theories. But my theory is that someone thought that the private searching the consumer data bases may be a problem for this case because it's not a cold case but it's still an active case. I think that because the SNP created by the Private lab was transferred to the FBI and FBI's software made adjustments to the SNP. The FBI's software made adjustments to the SNP created by the private lab was mentioned by Bill Thompson during the IGG hearing on Nov. 2, 2023. Anne Taylor mentioned that ldaho State Police announced on July 28, 2021, that the Idaho State Police Forensic Services Laboratory (ISPFS) secured a grant to fund genetic genealogy testing for unsolved Idaho cases with Othram Laboratories in Texas in a court filing. The document is titled "DECLARATION OF ANNE C. TAYLOR IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S THIRD MOTION TO COMPEL". It's like 26 pages long. The subject of the announcement of Idaho State police contract with the private lab in Texas is "Cold Case Help—Molecular Genealogy Resources". I googled and I found out that, A case becomes “Cold” when all probative investigative leads available to the primary investigators are exhausted and the case remains open and unsolved after a period of three years. So based on this definition of a cold case, the Idaho 4 case isn't a cold case yet. Anne Taylor also included a copy of "UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INTERIM POLICY FORENSIC GENETIC GENEALOGICAL DNA ANALYSIS AND SEARCHING" in 2019 which is a policy that describes the process that law enforcement engages in during these searches and the results and limitations of the method. This document explains why Anne Taylor filed that motion to compel discovery of IGG DNA evidence. Anne Taylor also included a copy of A new collaborative, National Technology Validation and Implementation Collaborative was established in 2022. "Its purpose is to collaborate and formulate methods and policy for labs and law enforcement to establish Forensic Investigative Genetic Genealogy programs. This collaborative contributed to a forensic science journal. The publication includes contributors from Idaho; Rylene Nowlin Idaho State Police Forensic Services and Alana Minton Office of the Attorney General, State of Idaho. This publication includes reference to the aforementioned U.S. Department of Justice Interim Policy. Of particular note is the policy of release of information in accordance with rules of discovery." Quote from Anne's document. It's really interesting that there are two people from Idaho that is working on this document and Bill Thompson said that none of the IGG DNA evidence wasn't discoverable.

At first I thought that LE signed a NDA about the IGG DNA but it's a memorandum of understanding (MOU) or equivalent which is similar to a NDA which is why they probably asked for the protective order not because of the gag order. I think that the prosecutor wants the gag order because of how little evidence they may have on the suspect imo and they don't want to get called out for given out conflicting information like they did when they had those press conferences. So they stopped having them. Also Bill Thompson stopped giving interviews to before the suspect was arrested because he said something that was different from LE. So, Bill Thompson and LE wasn't on the same page. SMH.

but Othram is usually mainly used for cold cases not active cases which would explain why Othram isn't accredited by the Texas Forensic Science Commission.the video that I watch. I'm guessing they don't know that about Otrham LAb.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

Thank you both for explaining that to me. So while he's probably still guilty, the prosecution are going to be speared about this evidence mishandling by the defence when it comes to it, In my opinion.