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Genielife

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Yep, thanks for saying what I was thinking also!

JL used the magic word in one of her posts: CONTEXT

Her opinions and perceptions are influenced by the context of the individual situations in which she was placed, as well as her relationships with the other players around her.

She was the one in the room. Not me and not you. It's her story to tell and I for one appreciate her honesty however painful, icky and difficult it is.
I can’t imagine the ick the folks working in that studio must have had to put up with, even before the whole predatory side of things came out I always felt like that house probably smelt like stale Marlboro lights and BO.
 
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DISbored

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Who are you referring to? I’ll clarify if I have been misunderstood.
Thank you for telling your storage JL. Please do not entertain the weirdos who are trying to make something out of nothing you’re telling your story you’re telling your lived experience.

I’m also happy that you got to fulfill your dream to work at Disney and are making such incredible strides for the guest experience… I just hope you had nothing to do with Jollywood Nights!
 
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TheNextStacey

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Jenilyn is right. The folks who remain at The Dis are on a sinking ship that is mostly completely under the water and they're too scared to jump and it's kind of shitty that they didn't. Grab back your dignity, people. Create something new. Make your own brand of fun. Don't be constrained by this bullshit that Pete created. Don't keep carrying water for DUT and their dirty hands. There is nothing valuable about the DIS IP. Sure, it's scary starting up something, but it can be done if you have a following of your own. Then you get to control your own destiny for once. It's scary, but so worth it. Because if you won't stand up for anything, you'll fall for everything and this much has been apparently for awhile. But what is past needn't be your future.
Agree. The only caveat is if they have some sort of non-compete in their contracts. It's been discussed previously in regard to Molly's exit from AllEars, but it still shocks me that DFB didn't have her roped and tied down. She was able to leave and launch Mammoth Club in about a month. Good for her! And lesson learned for AllEars/DFB with future talent.

I've been hard on Erica, but I'm impressed that she is taking her career into her own hands and moving forward. As far as Craig and Ryno, I do think they could land on their feet easily, but there may be contractual restrictions that hold them back. If not, then yeah...get out now dudes. :cool:
 
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erikaelvis

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I forgot that the welcome center never got addressed in all my stuff. - it’s really stupid.

Years ago, Disney allowed vendors to come on the ship while it was in port to put things in people’s rooms before they got to the ship. DUT got a lease nearby the ship so the baskets could be made and then quickly make it to the ship between check out and check in so the guest would arrive and their basket was waiting in their stateroom. Disney eventually eliminated this policy and DUT still had the lease, so they started mailing the baskets or you could pick them up in person.

Back then, the baskets were fairly helpful. It had a highlighter marking activities on the daily planner, it had a white board so you could write notes for your family on where to find you on the ship, a power strip so you had more wall plugs etc etc. but as times changed, the things in the basket weren’t relevant anymore.

Pete told me about the welcome center and said that he didn’t know what to do with it at that point and the lease was soon going to expire. I believe the rent was around $3000 a month but I’m not sure I remember that correctly. Pete said it worked well because they needed a place to make the baskets and anyone who booked with FLtours to be driven there got a free stop over at the Welcome Center.

I asked what was in the baskets and that the cost was roughly $25 per basket, I was told it was 2 full time employees and 1 part time employee. Teresa also could book someone on their next cruise after they got off the ship or if people called in she could book them (which actually did happen with people calling).

I gave my two cents. I said Teresa could easily answer the business phone from her house and then you don’t have to pay a salary. I also suggested the basket was outdated and irrelevant and that instead of paying 2.5 employee salaries to make them and $36k a year to house it all, plus the cost to make each one that they could just stop making them completely. This would save around $126,000 per year in company expenses. Not even taking shipping the baskets into account.

Instead of baskets, DUT already gave $25+ in Disney gift cards (depending on what you spend) to their clients) but DUT could also have a gift card and give the clients that and ‘match’ whatever the Disney amount was. This would ensure that the client would HAVE to use DUT in the future and if they didn’t then the company loses nothing because the money isn’t real, it’s just a deduction off a future trip which would’ve made DUT able to always beat the competition because everyone is the same price as Disney (outside like Costco and stuff) but DUT gift cards would allow you to book with them again at a slightly lower rate than even Disney could book the client. In addition, a gift card would allow them to have ‘giveaways’ on the show and at events and if the winner uses it, its new business, if they don’t then it’s no loss.

I had the gift card made (see attached) and it was simple, it allowed people to use their number on the back to have it linked with their profile so the balance would show there. It also listed most of the products we sold because so many people said they didn’t think we sold anything but Disney. It also featured Pete’s new ‘tv logo’ (fun fact, the plan there was that Pete wanted theDIS to become a round the clock television channel - like you could subscribe to with cable - which is also stupid).

I presented it to Pete first and explained to him that he needed to present it to John himself and claim that Craig made it because John didn’t like me and would kill the project simply because I presented it. Pete showed John and John liked it and then Pete told me that he then told John that I came up with it ‘so I got my credit’ and then John changed his tune and said it wouldn’t work and killed it. I told him I didn’t want credit, I was just trying to help and that he shouldn’t have done that and then Pete got made at me and flipped out that I’m stupid and a terrible employee and businessman anyway and he’d never defend me again cause I’m ungrateful and all that.

and now for the photo above of the street view of the welcome center. Pete proceeded to invest a bunch of money into the welcome center and bought all new furniture and couches. Dragged us down there to film travel agency content (these videos likely still exist because it was them interviewing me on the new couches about booking vacations - this should’ve been in 2019 I believe) - then he wanted me to start working out of the welcome center (which would’ve given me a 1+ hour commute every day, each way for a job I currently did from home) and he also proceeded to rent the unit on the far left (you can see it just has a white sign above it that’s blank). He moved the basket making into that other building and then made the welcome center, just be the welcome center, despite them being able to make baskets for years in the one rented unit.

In what was supposed to be a money saving plan, it ended up costing extra per year with no benefit, but I guess he proved his point to me. Hope it was worth it. And to think it all started with a gift card.
I can't imagine they would renew that lease moving forward, especially with Pete out of the picture. I remember an episode of the podcast where Kevin just went on and on about them giving out highlighters like it was the most amazing tool for your cruise you could ever receive. Also, I believe clothespins as well. Then went onnnn about coming to the welcome center and enjoying some air conditioning before the cruise, like it was the only place in Orlando that had an air-conditioned space. All these years of money out the window for this space, had they saved that money they would prob have enough to pay off Petes amex debt. :)
 
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ProfessorFate

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John sat idly by while Pete the Predator only hired young, vulnerable, attractive men. I will cut him zero slack and have zero sympathy for him. He just enjoyed the ride while he showered Queen Kevin with expensive trips and merchandise. John is a POS. Just in a different way that Pete is a POS.
Exactly. Kevin went from making, what, $17 an hour teaching kindergarten, to bragging incessantly about his love affair with Louis Vuitton and his inability to pass a store without going in and buying something else he doesn't need.
 
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invisobelt

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If only we had a way to communicate with The Ghost of Bob Varley to ask what happened.

Oh wait...
 
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Rufuscat

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Until someone posted the picture, I always imagined the Welcome Center as so much more! I thought it was more of an upscale lounge for clients arriving to Port early and somewhere to chill in comfort. I feel like I was watching one of those FB Reels or Tik Tok videos of Social Media vs. Reality of different tourists spots!
If you had to judge Dreams Unlimited Travel by their Geocities style website, their ancient business model (fill out a form & a few days later a travel agent will get back to you) & their depressing strip mall outlet you'd be forgiven for thinking you were still in 1995. I still don't understand why people use a travel agent anyway when you can just book direct. I just seems such a faff, especially when you need to amend things.
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I'm not sure if its been mentioned before but Dreams' BBB rating was padded out with a number of 5* reviews all on either 08/28/23 or 08/29/23. Either side of those dates ALL the reviews have been one or two stars. Very, very suspicious. BBB Dreams Unlimited Travel, Inc. Reviews
 
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Funfouryou

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Listen to a wide variety of podcasts as I have a long drive to work and back Monday to Friday. This was a fantastic show …the timeless advice of taking sunglasses with you to the Caribbean was mind blowing.
three shows this week..zero creativity and zero effort
 
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DISbored

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Hey Sean, welcome back how was your first Thanksgiving as a married couple? I think we could all be grateful and thankful this year that you help Dustin come forward and take down that hideous man, allowing people to be free of his control abuse and manipulation so in this board we are super thankful for you.
 
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Thunderbirdtoo

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I'd forgotten that John and Kevin bought a home near Disney that they used as a vacation rental. Apparently they've sold it.

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I'm not sure that lawyer fees count as a business opportunity, but I do look forward to seeing the end result of their new project.
 
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I'm back to answer the second part of your question: What were the circumstances of my departure?

Before I begin, I want to apologize for the length of these posts. So far, these aren't questions with simple or concise answers. I'm trying to give a full picture because I know that you guys have been trying to connect the dots, but I recognize it has made a lot of these posts long. Unfortunately, this post may end up being my longest because it is the part of my journey that people have the most questions about. It is also the part of my journey that has been most misrepresented. In order to avoid a lot of follow-up questions, I'm going to be proactive and address a lot here so that we can all put this particular thing to rest. Then we'll be able to move past it and get to the remaining questions y'all have on other topics. If long, sordid tales are not your thing, please just scroll past this one. If they are, buckle in.

So, as we all know, Dustin finally left The Dis. His seat was vacant, and Pete was beside himself over the loss of Dustin. The emotional roller coaster Pete was on was a really rough ride for the team in many ways. Pete kept Dustin's seat open and wouldn't fill it for what seemed an eternity. It felt like he was holding out hope that he would be able to lure Dustin back somehow.

I didn't really know what was going on with Pete. Only the guys were a part of Pete's innermost circle, so the women often dealt with the dramatic effects of Pete's personal soap opera without much context (except for Teresa...she knows where most of the bodies are buried. lol). This was one of those times. Pete seemed to be getting more irritable, but I didn't really know why. He was reorganizing things with the shows, and he felt The Trip needed a lot of changes. Those changes all but hog-tied The Trip. We were told that we would no longer be funded for outings in Orlando and had to restrict ourselves to round-table discussions about the theme parks. Since there was already a show about Disney and a show about Universal, this made The Trip redundant. We were told it had to be this way because the guys would now be too busy to spend any time creating the packages (video content akin to vlogs) that we incorporated into the show. We were also told it was not an option for the women (myself, Teresa, and Jackie) to create the packages ourselves because we weren't capable of meeting the quality standard that The Dis required. Craig, Teresa, and I didn't see the point in continuing and thought the show should just be dropped. We would have been content to let it go and focus our efforts on the shows Pete wasn't crippling. Teresa was stretched thin anyway due to her responsibilities at The Welcome Center. She regretted that she didn't have time for her family, and I wasn't so wrapped up in The Trip that I couldn't call it quits. In truth, the show was often an awkward experience for me even though I tried to make the best of it. We collectively felt it wasn't a tremendous loss if we were going to be working under these new restrictions.

One day before we started filming The Trip, Teresa gave me the heads up that Pete would probably pick a fight with me after the show because somehow he heard we were unhappy with the changes he was making. She also warned me that if I was honest, she would leave me holding the bag because she was not about to tell him her true feelings and suffer the consequences. I told her I understood. We filmed the show, wrapped, and just as she said, Pete came in and went straight for me. He very aggressively confronted me. I matter-of-factly laid out the points I mentioned above and said that maybe we should consider just dropping the show. To protect Craig, I did not mention any of his grumbling about Pete's decisions. And when it came to Teresa, I was careful not to put words in her mouth. I expressed that her circumstances should be given consideration as if those were singularly my personal feelings. And I did it all in a straightforward manner.

Because he was looking for a fight to begin with, he purposefully escalated everything even though it wasn't necessary. I had remained calm and collected, but he started antagonizing me and screaming at me. I suspect he was trying to bait me so that I would react and his vicious behavior would be justified. I was boiling, but I wasn't going to give him what he was desperate for. I heard no words at that point. There was only his ugly face screaming. I remember glaring at him, basically daring him to keep going until he turned blue in the face. No matter what, I wasn't going to respond other than with this dead stare of pure hatred. He eventually went silent and tried to intimidate me by glaring back, but I wouldn't look away. We sat there with eyes locked until he eventually broke, got up, and left the room. Craig, Teresa, and Jackie looked at me in disbelief. It wasn't the first time I had been direct with Pete, but I hadn't stood my ground like that before.

Days later, he apologized. I think he didn't know what else to do with me since I had shown some gumption. I briefly found myself being treated favorably again, and there was the gift of a Disney Resort stay for me and the kids around this time.

Not long after this, Pete finally came around and began interviewing to fill Dustin's spot. Oliver was among the top individuals being considered by Pete. He is talented and a hard worker, but if you look at him, it isn't hard to figure out why he caught Pete's attention. They aren't look-alikes, but Oliver and Dustin share some common physical traits as well as skill sets. He had a lot going for him in this particular race. The only thing that would have hurt Oliver's chances of landing the job was that during his interview when he was asked who his favorite podcaster was, he responded, "It's definitely JeniLynn. She is just lovely. I've been following her since her days at Attractions, and she is the reason I found The Dis." Oliver and I still laugh about that to this day because he didn't realize how much of a mistake that was.

Luckily or unluckily (depending on how you want to frame it), Oliver still rose to the top for Pete. And--full disclosure--I was 100% behind this decision because I felt Oliver was the best choice regardless of Pete's not-so-subtle attraction to him. Oliver was hired. Dustin's seat was filled, and we all hoped that Pete would be able to move on so our lives could be a little less hellish. That didn't up being the case for me.

Company policy required the team to float expenses on our personal credit cards. When we paid for meals, plane tickets, or anything else our content required, we did it with our personal credit, collected the receipts, and eventually turned them in for reimbursement. But turning over our receipts was always a very uncomfortable event. Even though it was money we were owed, it always felt like you were coming to Pete with your hand out. Sometimes, I just ate expenses to avoid having to ask Pete for money because it was just so unpleasant, and I never recorded the amounts from my receipts because I didn't think I needed that information. Questioning a check amount would have provoked him, so I figured I was going to take what I was given even if it was incorrect. But to his credit (pun intended?), I don't think I ever had a check come up short. In fact, it was often the opposite.

It wasn't uncommon to float expenses on our cards for months to avoid approaching him, and it wasn't uncommon to wait additional months to be reimbursed after you turned over your receipts. For this reason, it also wasn't uncommon for Pete to generously pad our reimbursement checks. I think he liked this system because it made him feel magnanimous, and none of us complained when he did it.

On the next reimbursement cycle, my check was padded. I didn't question it. Initially, I didn't even notice it because I never looked at checks in front of Pete. I didn't want to risk him handing me a check and interpreting my immediate lookover as supervising his math. I also didn't give it a priority later on because I hadn't tracked how much I was owed anyway. At that time, I had more pressing matters at home that I was navigating.

I had recently uncovered one of my daughters was emotionally struggling and was self-harming. She had started purposely scratching her skin until it broke open. Her dad and I were trying to figure out how to help her, but, honestly, it was mostly me trying to figure out how to help her. Inflated check amounts just weren't at the forefront of my mind, especially since it wasn't an unusual practice.

I think when I finally drove to the bank to deposit the check, I looked at it to record the amount on the deposit card, had a brief thought about it being a lot more than I remembered, reconciling it as Pete being extra generous, and moving on to the next thing that needed my attention. A couple of days after it was deposited, I received a text from Pete saying that he hadn't intended to give me that much. My immediate response was essentially, "Ok. Well, that makes sense. I'll return the difference to you tomorrow. What is that amount?" In so many words, he accused me of trying to defraud him, banned me from team activities, and refused to tell me the amount he wanted back.

I wrote him an email to try and establish a line of communication. In it, I painfully and embarrassingly groveled. I was already working on leaving The Dis, but this was happening too soon. I had two very strong possibilities sitting outside for me, but my ducks had not been lined up yet, and I still had three kids to take care of--one with a new and serious issue. It was not the time to be thrown into sudden unemployment. I was terrified.

I walked into the studio the next day with a check for $1k and asked Ryno to make sure Pete received it. I didn't know if that was the amount he felt he was owed. I had to take a guess. But once I dropped it off, I texted Pete to tell him the money had been returned. You guys have the screenshots of those texts in a previous thread for verification.

He never cashed that check. Instead, he began telling the team I was a thief. The team knew I had not stolen from Pete. My history at The Dis didn't line up with that. Corey spent about a full week trying to intervene on my behalf. I know that Craig also spoke up for me when he was given the chance. It fell on deaf ears. Pete was hell-bent on getting rid of me. His reaction was really extreme. He was the one who had made the mistake, and my immediate response was, "No problem. How much do you need back?" The whole thing felt manufactured like it had been when he tried to bait me into that fight a month before.

The inevitable did happen. Corey realized Pete was immovable on this and I was going to be terminated. He twisted himself into knots with apologies and asked me to forgive him because Pete was forcing him to witness my termination. He walked me to Pete's living room. I was seated across from Pete. John was there, stoic and silent. And Corey mournfully took a chair. I was told I was being fired for stealing, but I was told that I would be given 6 months of severance pay and 3 months of medical insurance. When I asked if this was in writing as our parting agreement, Pete scoffed. Nothing would be put in writing, and then I understood that this "severance" was hush money and that its ability to be taken from me would be used to ensure I did exactly what Pete wanted for at least 6 more months.

There was nothing left to say. The meeting ended. Corey walked me to the door and began apologizing again. I stopped him and told him that I knew Pete wanted him there to intimidate me, but it had the opposite effect. Corey being there made me feel stronger because I knew he knew I was innocent. I let him know he helped me keep my dignity and a stiff upper lip during it all. We hugged, and then I walked out where I found Craig waiting for me by my car. All stiff upper lips went out the window. We both cried. He was worried, but I told him it was ok. Although he was unaware of the plans I had been working on, we'd had enough conversations that he knew I was going to leave eventually. I reminded him of that and said, "This is just pushing me out the door a little sooner than expected and might not be a bad thing." As I started to walk away from Craig, I do remember stopping and saying, "Mark my words: This is because he wants to bring Dustin back, and now that Oliver is here, he needs my salary to do it."

I got in my car to drive away, and I had the Disney Production Manager on the phone before I made it off of Pete's street. He could hear that I was shaken up pretty badly. I asked if he could take his lunch break because I really needed to talk to him. Thankfully, he sensed the urgency. We met for lunch where I explained everything that had happened. After I had verbally vomited it all up, he said, "This is actually great." I said, "What?" He said, "We've been struggling to find something for you this whole time because you needed a full-time position that would give you a salary. You don't need that anymore." I said, "Huh?" He said, "Pete just gave you 6 months of money for training as a freelancer at Broadcast Production. You can be set up as an Independent Contractor. I hadn't suggested it before because the work wouldn't be steady at first, especially since you are new. But now you don't have to worry about that part. Your finances will be set for 6 months. I'll use that time to make sure you learn everything you need to know. We could have this thing totally figured out before the 6 months are up. Maybe at the end, you still decide to go full-time with Inside the Magic. Maybe you don't. Let's take the next 6 months and see what happens." That did not sound bad to me.

Hours later, I was able to get ahold of Ricky Brigante. I told him that I knew we had set a deadline for January 2017 but that timeline might need to be accelerated. I explained there wasn't a crisis because of my plan to use my "severance" while I picked up jobs at Disney. It still gave me time to look into the legal issue and him time to look for funding. He was cool with everything. We agreed to pick back up again in about 6 months.

I went to sleep that night stressed and exhausted but not panicked. Pete thought he had sent me packing with my tail between my legs, but I relished the fact that he would inadvertently be the reason I got my foot in the door at Disney. And 6 months later, I got a huge kick out of announcing my start with Inside the Magic. I hear it was that day Pete's lawyer informed him that the non-compete he thought was in my contract wasn't actually there.
Wow, this is definitely one of those cases where getting fired turned out to be the best thing that could happen.

I didn't know about the Dis until I think Oliver had been there a little while, or was about to leave. He is why I started watching the Dis, so that hire was pretty smart! I really loved This Orlando Life, that show seemed so much more fun than the Dis.
 
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Cinnamon1

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There's an article from March 1980 that mentions a Charles and Madeline Werner being current foster parents. It doesn't use the real names of the two kids mentioned, so I feel okay posting a link to it. Let me know if you have an issue accessing it.


Oh, hello: https://www.newspapers.com/article/asbury-park-press/135940603/ - from October 1985.

And I'm not saying this is definitely his dad, obviously, because I don't know that for sure. It could totally just be some guy who happens to live in the same area with the same name but isn't at all related.
Hats off to your research skills!
 
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Genielife

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Looks like their Patreon took another downturn for December, it was about 1540 to now 1417 paid subscribers.

I found a chart online, not sure it’s accurate but it shows them peaking at just shy of 2300 Patreons in May. That seems pretty close to what I remember. The chart shows a sizeable drop the 1st of every month since August (so 5 months now) and it doesn’t appear to be over.

The YT numbers on the last show are currently 11K. Wow. The DL video version of the show was canceled when it had 10kish views.

The worse thing IMO is if your audience gets apathetic. Would a proper statement now even reach most their audience?
I feel like it’s time to axe the panel show concept and begin focusing on in park vlogs and video tours of the resorts etc without narration.

Pete has turned out to be a cretin, but it was his personality that people were buying. Without that personality to sell they need to switch to the parks, they’re what the bigger section of the audience is there for now.
 
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bten1989

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Kevin whining and comparing Topolino’s breakfast to the McDonald’s big breakfast was peak whiny Kevin behavior. I was crying when they were all silent when he said he didn’t know what McDonald’s breakfast cost because John pays. One of you is physically going to McDonald’s and regularly buying that?! And you’re comparing it to Topolino’s? BOOOO. Stay home you old hags.
John being Kevin's sugar daddy will never not be funny to me... "Can I have another Louis bag? Please daddy?!" You're in your fucking mid-60's dude jfc
 
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