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has she said anything specific to them in the last two years? It does show that @Clara Burnett was/is in the know and I personally like her posts although I do have spats with her. This place will have no real intel without her input so I hope she isn't chased off because otherwise it is all just surmising.
Clara never feigned consent from Frank and Ivo.
In fact, if you go on the early threads when she appeared she stated multiple times they had no idea she was on this forum and sharing everything and that if they did, they would probably not approve. I remember because I was there when Clara made her appearance.
While I understand Frank and Ivo have never shared the details of their Lalande departure, from what I have seen shared on these threads they do still bring it up (quite a bit) on their blog (so, publicly) and have nothing but negative things to say about the place (calling it soulless, for example, hinting at an unjust and nasty departure etc). So it's not like they have been radio silent about it while someone else decided to air the dirty laundry.
I don't support them, or any of the chateauverse cast for that matter, being harassed however - just leave the Tattle things on Tattle. In fact I think this is a rule of Tattle.
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It says they last checked on here two years ago, it doesn't say they discovered which of their friends it was two years ago. If anything this email does show that @Clara Burnett was sharing stuff that was true-but without their consent which is where the hurt feelings and mind duck comes in. It does show that @Clara Burnett was/is in the know and I personally like her posts although I do have spats with her. This place will have no real intel without her input so I hope she isn't chased off because otherwise it is all just surmising. I don't have a problem with @Clara Burnett she is not grifting. I think this site becomes much the poorer when contributors are hounded out.
Again, I fail to see where their collusion was ever advised or even hinted by Clara. I have only seen posts where she was clear they are in fact not involved and not in the know about her actions (which I think led people to believe that they are behind the Clara character).
If I'm mistaken about this, feel free to link me to the relevant posts.
I think thats the easiest language I’ve e er tried to learn
Hubby sees this time and time again with (hate to say it) mainly Brit clients. He always advises them to insulate and get sufficient heating in but it falls on deaf ears. Then come the Winter (the Vendee is supposed to have a micro climate, so they all think it's not going to get that cold but it does) they're frozen. They think because the house has got thick stone walls it will keep the heat in. It will if you properly insulate otherwise the stone walls just soak it up and you're still cold. Also good insulation will keep the place cool when it's 40+ degrees in the summer but they don't listen to that advice either and then moan it's unbearably hot indoors. Must admit you do get it windy where you are. The temperature certainly changes as you cross over the Loire. Here, we get a bit of everything luckily our Winters are short but they're sharp!
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Nevertheless, and in no fallacious regard to the original intentions of this person, their actions have cost us a lot. Since they started writing about us, we have received perpetual accusations and threats and lost numerous friendships. Their continuous writings have caused us both a great deal of hardship and stress.
I agree that @Clara Burnett has always made it clear that they are acting independently and that for quite some time have no longer been in the circle of friends of Ivo and Denno. I also agree that this Tattle page without info from @Clara Burnett would be a poorer read and consist only of speculation, admittedly a lot of it hilarious and while some may be spot on there is a lot of it that is wildly off the mark. So having validation from @Clara Burnett is good.
However as a consequence of the input from @Clara Burnett for Denno to say they have received perpetual accusations and threats and been caused a great deal of hardship is extremely disturbing.
If that is true then the implications are horrenduos. We all think of Fanny and the other inmates as being greedy, lazy and anything else applicable to grasping grifters and apart from the obligatory visits to brocantes etc having no interaction with anyone living in the area but in what Denno says it seems that there must be a lot of locals who are fierce defenders of the shittooline. Which negates her non involvement in the community. (Unless all of the threats originate from Mary Poppins and is it Dave? the cleaner).
Nevertheless, and in no fallacious regard to the original intentions of this person, their actions have cost us a lot. Since they started writing about us, we have received perpetual accusations and threats and lost numerous friendships. Their continuous writings have caused us both a great deal of hardship and stress.
I agree that @Clara Burnett has always made it clear that they are acting independently and that for quite some time have no longer been in the circle of friends of Ivo and Denno. I also agree that this Tattle page without info from @Clara Burnett would be a poorer read and consist only of speculation, admittedly a lot of it hilarious and while some may be spot on there is a lot of it that is wildly off the mark. So having validation from @Clara Burnett is good.
However as a consequence of the input from @Clara Burnett for Denno to say they have received perpetual accusations and threats and been caused a great deal of hardship is extremely disturbing.
If that is true then the implications are horrenduos. We all think of Fanny and the other inmates as being greedy, lazy and anything else applicable to grasping grifters and apart from the obligatory visits to brocantes etc having no interaction with anyone living in the area but in what Denno says it seems that there must be a lot of locals who are fierce defenders of the shittooline. Which negates her non involvement in the community. (Unless all of the threats originate from Mary Poppins and is it Dave? the cleaner).
I would imagine anything bad towards F&I would come from Stephanie’s circle. They are the only ones that would care. Also, what did F&I do to garner threats? Not throw themselves into a volcano and disappear forever? They are just regular people trying to move on from a narcissist and live the rest of their lives in beauty and peace.
If I was to guess, the accusations and threats received would be either from Tattlers, from the Fanny circle (both the online and offline one), or most likely both. I doubt the local community knows who Fanny is, even less the Dutch couple living in the neighborhood (not saying they haven't built any friendships in the area, but that from what we have seen I doubt any local friend of the couple are also in Fanny's circles).
However, do keep in mind that, Clara's statements aside, the couple themselves write (negatively) about Fanny and the heap on their public blog. Maybe the general public wouldn't understand who they are referring to missing Clara's intel, true, but their repeated statements could have been viewed at any point by Fanny and her inner circle, even prior to Tattle, and they would know exactly what the couple are alluding to.
If Frank and Ivo are receiving threats, that goes to show just how deluded some of Fanny’s ardent fans are…even dangerous. How would they (deluded fans) even know anything was said unless they read here? And if they read here, they were brought here for a reason. I didn’t find Tattle until Michael Petherick begged for a handout after blowing his money in Madrid…I thought “I can’t be the only one who thinks this is wrong!” A google search brought me here. I’d say 90% of the time, the posts on here point out the obvious…where is the money going? what’s up with the timeline? why aren’t projects finished but there’s time for world travel? why does the chatelaine date, bed, and pay an employee who’s half her age? why doesn’t she care for her animals? Frank and Ivo left La La Lande and have nothing to do with Fanny for a reason. If they’ve lost friendships, it’s because Fanny is displaying classic narcissist behavior. She’s the victim and she’ll turn on anyone who crosses her…even getting people to end friendships with the people she thinks wronged her or she dislikes. Her flying monkeys. To make it clear, Tattle isn’t the reason for Frank and Ivo’s issues. And @Clara Burnett isn’t the reason for their issues. Unfortunately, Frank and Ivo were screwed from the moment they met Fanny and got involved…just like what happens, eventually, to everyone who befriends Fanny.
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Their mistake was telling their recollection of the truth to people who couldn’t keep quiet and have repeated another person’s story. Tattle has certainly exacerbated their issues - let’s not absolve ourselves from having a role to play in speculation and accusations.
Tartlets are not threatening F&I.
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It’s from within the Dame Fanny Four Flues’ friend group to catch the mole (Clara). Reread people - jeez
Yet someone took it upon themselves to contact F and I in the hope of stirring up trouble for @Clara Burnett. Surely this is completely against the rules of Tattle.
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Frank and Ivo admit themselves on IG they were mesmerized by Jarvis and the chateau. I don't know how they could be fired from the chateau under what Clara describes as homophobic circumstances and maintain any kind of friendship with the chateau hangers on. Especially if, per Clara, as I recall, they are the people who reported Jarvis and Lalande to Workaway for violating the stipulations that volunteers not work in a for-profit business, or more than five hours a day.
If they were fired from Lalande, the hangers on would cut them off.
For this email to allege it was Clara who got them into trouble with the Lalanders is, I submit, a misinterpretation by Den Os, if, in fact, the circumstances of their firing was reported correctly here by Clara. I submit both Stephanie and Isabelle would have gossipped mercilessly about them and coerced what locals there were to cut them off. There would have been no circumstance under which they could have remained friends with the people they'd mostly associated with, per photos of parties at Lalande.
Also, I'd like to know what the origin of this email allegedly from Den Os is. URL please.
I've never seen haters like I've seen among the thought police here. I'm including my years of experience as an abortion clinic escort, and as a union shop steward in a a notorious case of jurisdiction litigation.
It's the number one reason I got a VPN.
And, as noted in the other case, it poisons the discourse here to the point of quashing new ideas, discouraging new members, and repudiating fact-based evidence-seekers whose goal is to bring Stephanie Jarvis to justice. Persecuting the one source of corroboratable fact benefits only Stephanie Jarvis. And ends this forum.
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jeez! So snippy!
Tattle spoils the fairytale image SJ tries to portray (both to herself and the world). Fanny has no way to control Tattle and it’s probably infuriating to her. So, she does the next best thing…lash out at anyone she can, whether they’ve actually posted here or not. She can’t stop people from posting here, but she can make life miserable for Frank and Ivo. I’m pretty sure that when the pink phone camera is turned off, Fanny is a vindictive, gossipy “mean girl” herself…she just doesn’t like it when the gossip is about her.
Nothing truly new under the Mid-French sun today and your little undercover operation has proved nothing: I never lied. Did I first suspect and later know they would hate my guts for spilling their beans? Yes. Could I have known they would get into a whole mess because of me exposing their truth? Oh yes. Did I think about that before I started doing that? Of course I did.
Frank den Os and Ivo van Woerden provided me with a comfortable cover to speak uncurbed, as they will probably forever be blamed by anyone in Stephanie Jarvis’ world that still cares about it or her. Why? Not because they were so silent about their grievances, I can tell you that.
They are big boys. I made an assessment, could they deal with any and all anticipated backlash and I can honestly say: so far so good. I monitored and they seem fine, enjoying their fairytale life, don’t they? The blog Frank writes is kind of proving that, if you can read through his woolliness, that is. I am no fan and said so before.
You yourself clearly chose to act against their clear wishes by publicly posting a private answer to questions you’ve apparently asked them without also be transparent about how you approached them. This hardly makes your ethics any better than mine. But a real nice touch that you blacked out the name you used when you contacted them.
Meanwhile, the true grifters are off the hook, once again. Nothing truly new indeed.
Edited to add that in no way I enjoy hearing that Frank and Ivo are being threatened, obviously. Not surprised though. The Jarvisses are a vindictive bunch.
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I don't understand the lengths taken and amount of time put into smearing another Tattler.
If I'm not interested in what a particular Tattler has to say, I scroll or ignore.
If I'm not interested in what a particular Tattler has to say, I scroll or ignore.
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