The Archie Battersbee case #4

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This is completely wrong as someone who has suffered with mental health issues since I was around 8, in 1999!!! If I’d had the help back then that children now so desperately need, I wouldn’t of had to spend thousands of pounds in my 20s going to private therapy to come to terms with my mental health issues since I was a child. Have you personally experienced mental health issues apart from ADHD???
We desparately need to get MH help and support into schools. Most of the people picking up the children who are suffering are TAs and SEN teachers who have no specialist training. We can refer but the list for counselling/treatment are so long, the parents and children turn to a friendly familiar face but we are not trained and are concerned about doing more harm then good. It breaks my heart. xx
 
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It's not actually that confusing. When you lose a case you can ask the court that heard it whether can appeal. Mostly IME they're going to say no, because why would a judge say 'here's what I think, but appeal me because I might be wrong'. Obviously they think they are right, so they're rarely going to think their decision should be appealed (except in some circumstances). But if that was the only way to appeal the court would be holding themselves accountable, which isn't fair. So today, the court this case was heard in have said we don't think there is a point of appeal here, but to ensure fairness and accountability etc, the SC can also hear what an appeal might look like and decide whether it has merit to be heard in full. And while it is a bit lengthy/seems a bit daft it is fairer that way.
 
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This was also a problem when I was a teenager 20 years ago. Livejournal was massive and tumblr was just taking off - it was trendy to hurt yourself or pretend you had an eating disorder or OCD (until you weren't pretending any more). Teenagers just want to fit in and for some people that means exaggerating illnesses or creating false stories to get the attention from others. It's nothing new and sadly it's not ever going to go away.

Also CAMHS are historically tit and have been long before I was mentally unwell, their advice literally does often boil down to "Have a bath" or "Have a cup of tea and call back later" which isn't great when all you can think of is harming yourself.
CAMHS didn't really exist when I was a teenager, you basically had to be extremely unwell to be seen by anyone, and that was if you were able to discuss what was going on. Things like Childline seemed to be for very serious issues like sexual abuse and I always had the impression you weren't supposed to call them otherwise. I remember when I was 15 some research students handed out forms to our form to fill out about depression in teenagers, and I filled it out really honestly hoping someone would see it and I could talk to somebody, but nobody ever contacted me.
 
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I have thought someone on that page may have a personal issue with hollie beyond thinking what she's dragged archie through is awful. It seems more than Internet stranger
 
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It's not actually that confusing. When you lose a case you can ask the court that heard it whether can appeal. Mostly IME they're going to say no, because why would a judge say 'here's what I think, but appeal me because I might be wrong'. Obviously they think they are right, so they're rarely going to think their decision should be appealed (except in some circumstances). But if that was the only way to appeal the court would be holding themselves accountable, which isn't fair. So today, the court this case was heard in have said we don't think there is a point of appeal here, but to ensure fairness and accountability etc, the SC can also hear what an appeal might look like and decide whether it has merit to be heard in full. And while it is a bit lengthy/seems a bit daft it is fairer that way.
Well yes and they may have additional supporting evidence to submit
 
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This is completely wrong as someone who has suffered with mental health issues since I was around 8, in 1999!!! If I’d had the help back then that children now so desperately need, I wouldn’t of had to spend thousands of pounds in my 20s going to private therapy to come to terms with my mental health issues since I was a child. Have you personally experienced mental health issues apart from ADHD???
I’ve been suicidal since I was a teenager and have been in therapy on and off for 15 years. So to answer your question, yes.
 
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The adult site is quite well known, and the meme seems to be quite popular so he may have seen it somewhere and thought it was just a graphic about being depressed, but seeing a pun on an adult site on a pre-teen's account makes me pretty uncomfortable.
The amount of porn young children are accessing, I'm talking the ages of 11, 12, 13...is appalling. Schools have banned phones etc but the kids still access it and show it around their friends. It is truly disgusting. It needs to stop but I have no idea what the solution is. Its the same with graphic violence sadly, it's being 'normalised' and they don't see what is wrong with it. x
 
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I really hope that Hollie uses her time wisely now, spends it with her son. Holds him, reads to him, chats to him, plays his favourite songs and makes peace with things. It actually breaks my heart to think about it.
If she doesn't,she will regret it.She will soon be back in her house
I wasn’t questioning that. I haven’t been following this case closely and just wondered where people were finding out information like this. No offence intended!
No offence taken.There is information out there,especially when they went to court,stating Archie’s condition etc.
 
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Things like Childline seemed to be for very serious issues like sexual abuse and I always had the impression you weren't supposed to call them otherwise
I remember messaging Childline a few times and they really didn't give me any good advice

They're probably powerless but is it really that hard to create a few leaflets on self-help tips (that aren't just taking a bath, I'm thinking more along therapy exercises that you could do yourself) and how to seek help if you want to try? I don't want to go into specifics but that would have been far more helpful than the 'advice' given to me
 
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I highly doubt any qc would want to touch this case pro bono.
Why? It's a great one to do pro bono. High profile, in the most senior courts, lots of inter-jurisdictional issues, parent who is almost certainly not going to complain or sue you.
 
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I really hope that when the time comes, she can actually let him go with dignity and not cause a huge scene. Although I fear a police presence will be necessary for the protection of the medical staff. I wouldn’t like to be the person that flicks the switch. Poor sweet boy.

His final days should have been spent with his parents sat with, talking to him and giving him love. Instead his legacy will be that the last days and hours of his short life were filled with hate and vitriol. Hollie seems to spend more time engaging with strangers online, whipping up a shitstorm rather than caring for her son.
 
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Why isn’t anyone stepping in?
Surely putting video and pictures of a dead body online is a crime? Or at least frowned upon?
It’s like when Ashley Cains daughter was actively dying and they were holding her jumping up and down screaming in her face obee doo!!!
I wish to god they’d let her just lie down and rest.
Every second of her life was a camera in her face. It’s sick.
I don't think its criminal but definitely ethically and morally wrong.. you'd think.
 
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The problem is nobody wants to be the person who tells a grieving mother straight not that she would listen. People fear for their jobs and getting sued hopefully a judge or consultant approaching retirement will give her both barrels. She's ridiculous, thankfully a huge overwhelming majority aren't army supporters in comments on social media.
 
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D'ya reckon Jeremy Kyle will challenge her? He's into cav baiting isn't he? He'll probably go down the head tilting, mushy sentimental route though, lest she takes his head off.
 
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The problem is nobody wants to be the person who tells a grieving mother straight not that she would listen. People fear for their jobs and getting sued hopefully a judge or consultant approaching retirement will give her both barrels. She's ridiculous, thankfully a huge overwhelming majority aren't army supporters in comments on social media.
100% this. Right out of the gates everyone on that mawkish Facebook group was telling her she was doing the right thing. Fast forward to the last few weeks, even though it was clear the judges in the appeal court thought that her and her barrister were talking out of their arses, nobody wanted to be "that guy" to tell her to just stop wasting everyone's time and do the right thing. Unfortunately I can't see Kyle being any different.
 
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The problem is nobody wants to be the person who tells a grieving mother straight not that she would listen. People fear for their jobs and getting sued hopefully a judge or consultant approaching retirement will give her both barrels. She's ridiculous, thankfully a huge overwhelming majority aren't army supporters in comments on social media.
Yes exactly. She needs to seek guidance and support from other mothers who have lived experience of this, not randoms on Facebook who will misguide and misinform, which she feeds into.
 
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I’m not in the group on Facebook, however I imagine that most people in there are grief tourists who love a bandwagon.
 
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