The Archie Battersbee case #4

[Merpedy]

There was a fine line in my opinion but we steam rolled right past it and now we have kids seeing on social media and in school all this mental health chat and it starts planting a seed in their brains. And we wonder why more and more kids are committing suicide.

I’m probably not making sense(my simple ADHD brain) but my point is that we are not shielding kids from stuff 10 years ago wasn’t spoken about to them.

I have tried not to say anything too controversial but I was such an emo child once I hit the age of 10, and plenty of my peers went through that phase a few years later too. It wasn't unheard of comparing self-harm scars or exaggerating certain things a bit. I know my mental health isn't that of the average person, and I reckon some of my peers also had problems, but I do wonder if that was influenced by social media almost normalising it

Granted, it was also 10 years ago and back then the whole mental health situation was only coming out into the open I'd say, nothing at the level it is at today. Maybe being told that we should be open about mental health during that time would have been beneficial to us

I also think there's something comforting in being a part of online community. Kids these days are growing up very online, my generation had that period where we were sort of between being online and being told to go and enjoy the outside world

 

[MidnightAura]

I expect archie was quite streetwise and would have known perfectly well what suicide was.

Apparently his avatar is that of an adult site. (Not that I would know!) but if so that’s disturbing. He’s 12.

 

[Brainkits]

It’s subjective, because we are telling ALL kids the same thing. Not the kids who really need the help.

I didn't even know I needed the help, and neither did my parents or teachers, as I thought my catastrophic thoughts were normal and I hid them well. Educating kids on mental health and when to know to seek help is crucial to reducing the impact in their adult life.

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

Archie Battersbee's mother today accused an NHS hospital trust of pursuing a 'choreographed execution' of her 12-year-old son - as the family prepared for a High Court hearing today to decide whether the boy's life support should stay on.

Hollie Dance said the family has had 'no support whatsoever' from Archie's carers Barts Health NHS Trust, telling Sky News: 'Absolutely none. I know they come across to the media as supportive and compassionate. It's very much the opposite. It's very misleading.'

Asked what she would want to see the Government doing at this stage, Ms Dance said: 'Just to overlook the decision that the justice system make, really.

'We shouldn't have to go outside our justice system to do the right thing by the citizens in this country.

'This is a 12-year-old...this is a child. They say about Archie's best interests, I don't believe for one minute that Archie's best interests would be to put his parents through what we're being put through. Our little boy wouldn't like that.

'I think that it needs overlooking, and I'm very grateful to the Health Secretary for doing what's he's done, very grateful. I just hope that it is overlooked within the court today.'

I don't believe her
I had a baby in nicu for 4 months very ill and hospital were nothing but supportive
Shes obviously a very difficult woman and a liar

 

[peteburnsreincarnated]

What I don’t get is Tik Tok allowing all of these videos glorifying criminality.
Apparently there is a thing about stealing Kia cars? They are allowing these videos.
They should be shut down.
People are dying and becoming victims of these stupid kids.

 

[xoxo GG]

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

On the one hand, I can't imagine what this family is suffering. I wouldn't wish such an awful situation on my worst enemy, or anyone for that matter.

On the other hand, this woman is a nightmare, clearly thick as mince, and this poor kid is long gone. What a mess.

Excellent post well said

 

[candyland_]

I think some people forget 12 year olds today aren’t like us when we were 12. Children are exposed to things we weren’t at those ages and are pretty aware of more from an earlier age

Mines 12 going on 18.
There’s boys in her class with depression and others that self harm. It’s sad.

 

[judgejohndeed]

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Even more delay then. The SC already said there is no arguable legal point, this is an actual circus

 

[IOrderedASandwich]

Same. Also if they realised girls could also have ADHD and autism, but that's a different story. I don't want kids to exist in the world I did, where you were told to 'just ignore' bullying or to 'pull yourself together' or, if you were gay or trans, that it was 'just a phase' that you needed to keep quiet about so not to attract attention, or if you were sexually abused, that it was shameful to even mention it and you'd just be told not to see that weird uncle/friend/etc anymore. And then those kids, especially young men, grow up thinking that they are broken somehow because everyone else seems to be coping.

Also, yeah, even if tweens have more access to the internet than I did when I was 16/17, how the hell would a kid know about PornHub? Did he just think it was a daft image and used it for an avatar? I hope so.

 

[Merpedy]

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How's there a hearing but they have been refused? Does the Supreme Court hold a little tea session every morning for all of those wanting to appeal directly?

 

[tigerlilly_xx]

Update

 

[MidnightAura]

Didn’t Tik tok threaten legal action and say there was no evidence what happened to Archie is anything to do with them? Didn’t This Morning have to issue an apology or am I mis remembering that?

 

[riddleme89]

Why say anything at all then?

Who is she anyway ? And your right why say anything anyway . Like them people who check into hospital on Facebook then get what’s wrong hun and then say inbox you

 

[peteburnsreincarnated]

Who the duck does she think she is? Going on about “how it’s always been about the brain stem for her since day one”. Is she a doctor?! I doubt it somehow.

She probably works at B&M or something.
Knows it all!

 

[If i told you …]

just over 30 years ago a close member of my family son at the age of 12 died from hanging himself. Earlier that evening he had been watching the good, the bad and the weird?! There was a scene in that film where someone is hanging, but shot down just in time. His inquest ruled death by miss adventure. The coroner was unable to ascertain if it was suicide or just a prank gone wrong. His parents had divorced a hear before and he was struggling to make friends at school. My point is unless a note has been left and the person isn’t showing signs of great sadness, how can we tell what the intentions are?

I do believe Archie tried to take his own life and now in all fairness to him. The machines should now be switched off and allow this young boy to rest in peace

 

[Blonde_moment]

I said "if" not that it "is"

I wasn’t questioning that. I haven’t been following this case closely and just wondered where people were finding out information like this. No offence intended!

 

[IOrderedASandwich]

It’s subjective, because we are telling ALL kids the same thing. Not the kids who really need the help.

We tell all kids about physical conditions. We vaccinate all kids against diseases.

 

[Imhereapparently28]

What is the purpose of going to court tomorrow? Surely enough is enough now.

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

of course not I haven’t commented yet but had to just jump in and say people like to paint forums such as Tattle as faceless, emotionless places that the worst of society come to and behave like trolls/spread hate and that’s really not true imo. I’ve been following this thread and there are plenty of compassionate, caring people here, including some HCPs, who just want what’s best for Archie (and other children/families who have or will go through similar situations) and are clearly very knowledgable and supportive. The social media mob love to repeat stock phrases like ‘where is the kindness in this world?’ but I feel a lot of the posts on this thread are coming from extremely empathetic and experienced perspectives. It’s made me consider things I’d never thought about previously and I’ve had conversations with family as a result. Regardless of the outcome, it’s not a happy situation for anyone involved and whilst I know this thread is about Archie, it must be really emotional for anyone with children or personal experiences to be following this case, so I hope everyone is looking after themselves

I've seen more kindness on here towards archie than I've seen on FB