Maybe they did but the other medical opinions weren't ones they wanted to hear.
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She's going to drag it out as long as she can. I'm not sure she really understands the whole concept of children being individual human beings rather than property or some weird extension of the mother.
Bit of a pointless opinion then? I’m not surprised it was disregarded.
Does anyone know which interview HD discussed the day prior when his sister intervened in another potential suicide attempt? Or him having been supervised that night? Would be interested to see that as there’s v little / patchy info regarding this.
Absolutely agree. They didn’t deserve any of that, I didn’t mean it to come across as any sort of criticism. It was more a “look at what she got for nothing and is still criticising!” Our NHS need protection because people like her are driving more people towards the privatisation brigade, which given the state of our economy is just not an option.
Yes this was my point in my last post. His necrosis would have been so far advanced from the MRI scan weeks earlier.God, all I can think now is the poor staff having to look after, essentially, a dead boy for so long. It must be really traumatic
Just seen this in Daily Mail comments:
The only urgent review needed is what on earth is happening on tiktok.
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Sometimes I really get an urge to thump people on the head to knock some sense into them (not that I would, as I would almost go to jail and have to change my name).
The only urgent review needed is what on earth is happening on tiktok.
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Sometimes I really get an urge to thump people on the head to knock some sense into them (not that I would, as I would almost go to jail and have to change my name).
I already hadYou can still @ her or quote retweet
This is the thing - there was a really sad case in London where a 14 year old died by suicide and it was found she'd viewed hundreds of self-harm/suicide ideation type posts on instagram in the lead up. Her parents led a really important campaign to change things on SM.
If the family could accept it was potentially a suicide, this would be a genuine cause they could get behind (if indeed SM was involved).
I still don’t understand why this Ella girl was so prominently there at the hospital, hearings, interviews etc but there was no sign of her boyfriend/ the brother at any of them.
Surely you don’t get all this time off work or whatever for the brother of your short term boyfriend.
I’ve just seen a picture of them leaving one of the court dates and it’s the mother, father and Ella. No sign of the other siblings
Surely you don’t get all this time off work or whatever for the brother of your short term boyfriend.
I’ve just seen a picture of them leaving one of the court dates and it’s the mother, father and Ella. No sign of the other siblings
I will delete this if someone has already answere but - he didn’t. The medication was stopped. The ventilator was still on at 12. My understanding is they don’t simply “stop” it- it’s taped in, and is gently turned down and removed so would take several minutes. He would not have breathed independently, and his heart would have kept going briefly due to residual blood gases but given up within a few minutes of removal as he couldn’t breathe for himself.
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HD is playing the victim card, and the media/public simply lap it up
So I've just discovered this thread (and previous ones) here on Tattle, after following Archie's case for several weeks now, and seeking an alternative discussion forum to make sense of this case. Something never sat right, having read and listened to HD's account of events, and I smelled bull from the outset. For the record, I have a background (degrees/training) in law, psychiatry, and body language. Putting two and two together - observing HD's body language, comparing her various (conflicting and contradictory) accounts of what happened to Richie, and analyzing court documents - it struck me that HD was at the very least hiding something; and worse, peddling complete falsehoods and fabrications.
This past week, the media have painted HD as a loving yet distraught and grief-stricken mother fighting till the very end for her son. However, the extreme/extraordinary lengths to which the family have gone to "save" Archie - widely praised in the press as determination and devotion - actually looks a lot more like overcompensation.
HD is guilt-ridden - and is probably aware of it on some level (denial and all) - and as such is now going above and beyond to: (a) make it up to Archie, in death (having failed him, in life); and (b) prove to the world (and herself too, in all likelihood) that she is indeed a good mother. Unfortunately for her, those of us with a few brain cells can smell a rat.
No wonder the family swiftly converted to Christianity after finding Archie unconscious (or more accurately, on the brink of death). They are trying to process - and diminish - their guilt. And now, it's pretty obvious they're just exploiting the charity Christian Concern for funds, kudos, and publicity to further their own selfish and warped interests. (It's sad that the well-intentioned albeit gullible and misguided members of the charity have fallen for their ruse without further scrutiny.) Besides, if the family are genuinely Christian, they ought to take comfort in the fact that Archie is now in a better place. Why hold onto his soul in a rotting, mortal body in this world? What - and whose - purpose does this serve?
HD's undignified behavior - intemperate comments about the hospital staff who have worked tirelessly around the clock on what is essentially a lost cause, and accusing judges applying the law of being executioners - is utterly despicable and ultimately conceited. She has weaponized the country's sympathy/grief for Archie against medical professioners who have done their utmost to accommodate her unreasonable and nonsensical demands. How utterly reprehensible and diabolical.
And just think of the astronomical costs and countless hours spent on this singular case (to no avail), when there are scores of patients - who are actually alive - waiting in line for medical attention.
HD may be a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but she is cunning enough to channel victimhood culture to milk the public's sympathy and tug on their heartstrings. This vile woman is a total narcissist; even after Archie was confirmed dead on 6 August 2022 (although we know he died months ago), HD offers the following statement: "I know I’ve done a very good job being Archie’s mum. Based on my own childhood I was very determined to be as good a mother as I can possibly be and I feel like I have done that to the very best of my ability. It’s one of the reasons I am here" (see: https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/06/arch...m-says-she-did-everything-she-could-17137610/). Even in her son's death, HD makes it out to be all about her - as if she's the real victim here - and tries way too hard to convince the world how wonderful a mother she is.
At a point in recent history when trust in authority is at an all-time low, we could really do without (in most cases) competent, hardworking, and dedicated members of the medical and legal professions being undermined – left, right, and centre (and yes, that was a political pun too). Everyone loses when this happens. What an absolute clusterfuck.
So I've just discovered this thread (and previous ones) here on Tattle, after following Archie's case for several weeks now, and seeking an alternative discussion forum to make sense of this case. Something never sat right, having read and listened to HD's account of events, and I smelled bull from the outset. For the record, I have a background (degrees/training) in law, psychiatry, and body language. Putting two and two together - observing HD's body language, comparing her various (conflicting and contradictory) accounts of what happened to Richie, and analyzing court documents - it struck me that HD was at the very least hiding something; and worse, peddling complete falsehoods and fabrications.
This past week, the media have painted HD as a loving yet distraught and grief-stricken mother fighting till the very end for her son. However, the extreme/extraordinary lengths to which the family have gone to "save" Archie - widely praised in the press as determination and devotion - actually looks a lot more like overcompensation.
HD is guilt-ridden - and is probably aware of it on some level (denial and all) - and as such is now going above and beyond to: (a) make it up to Archie, in death (having failed him, in life); and (b) prove to the world (and herself too, in all likelihood) that she is indeed a good mother. Unfortunately for her, those of us with a few brain cells can smell a rat.
No wonder the family swiftly converted to Christianity after finding Archie unconscious (or more accurately, on the brink of death). They are trying to process - and diminish - their guilt. And now, it's pretty obvious they're just exploiting the charity Christian Concern for funds, kudos, and publicity to further their own selfish and warped interests. (It's sad that the well-intentioned albeit gullible and misguided members of the charity have fallen for their ruse without further scrutiny.) Besides, if the family are genuinely Christian, they ought to take comfort in the fact that Archie is now in a better place. Why hold onto his soul in a rotting, mortal body in this world? What - and whose - purpose does this serve?
HD's undignified behavior - intemperate comments about the hospital staff who have worked tirelessly around the clock on what is essentially a lost cause, and accusing judges applying the law of being executioners - is utterly despicable and ultimately conceited. She has weaponized the country's sympathy/grief for Archie against medical professioners who have done their utmost to accommodate her unreasonable and nonsensical demands. How utterly reprehensible and diabolical.
And just think of the astronomical costs and countless hours spent on this singular case (to no avail), when there are scores of patients - who are actually alive - waiting in line for medical attention.
HD may be a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but she is cunning enough to channel victimhood culture to milk the public's sympathy and tug on their heartstrings. This vile woman is a total narcissist; even after Archie was confirmed dead on 6 August 2022 (although we know he died months ago), HD offers the following statement: "I know I’ve done a very good job being Archie’s mum. Based on my own childhood I was very determined to be as good a mother as I can possibly be and I feel like I have done that to the very best of my ability. It’s one of the reasons I am here" (see: https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/06/arch...m-says-she-did-everything-she-could-17137610/). Even in her son's death, HD makes it out to be all about her - as if she's the real victim here - and tries way too hard to convince the world how wonderful a mother she is.
At a point in recent history when trust in authority is at an all-time low, we could really do without (in most cases) competent, hardworking, and dedicated members of the medical and legal professions being undermined – left, right, and centre (and yes, that was a political pun too). Everyone loses when this happens. What an absolute clusterfuck.
I've only recently started following this case because it's all over the news. Where is the father? am i missing something. so far all I see is the mum and some other family friends?
I agree. Those notes will be very comprehensive. I’m sure the lead nurse will be checking daily to cover themselves. She doesn’t have any chance of suing the NHS and rightly so.
With regard to time of Archie’s death - 12.15. He had nutrition & meds withdrawn at ten, but it was not until noon they began to withdraw the ventilator. He failed to take a breath because his brain stem was destroyed and couldn’t send a signal to his lungs to breathe. Death was not immediate because it clearly states in the letter given to the family that there would be a period of stepping back for the family before they tried to check for a heartbeat. See 10. & 11.
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I don't think anyone goes from a happy, carefree child to depressed and suicidal upon viewing some images though - they'd probably already be in that state of mind to be looking at that stuff.
I didn’t think you sounded critical (at all)! I agree entirely with the point you’re making. I find Hollie Dance’s lack of gratitude - for both the exemplary care Archie received & the fact that it cost her nothing - baffling.
I follow a thread on Reddit for medics, most contributions are by doctors (mostly American but plenty of Brits & other nationalities) but some are also from nurses & pharmacists. I’ve come to recognise that unwarranted criticism, stalking, death threats, harassment of every kind and a complete lack of gratitude seem endemic in every healthcare setting around the world.
In the UK, it’s always the NHS that gets blamed when the outcome is not what people want for their relative, friend etc etc but similar behaviour goes on everywhere. If all those who indulge in NHS-bashing & link this to “socialist healthcare” would care to broaden their horizons, they would find out that people die all over the world, even in the most expensive / world-leading US hospitals (I’d argue much of the NHS care in the teaching hospitals across the UK is right up there). People - notably children - die “before their time” & not everyone will respond to treatment.
I’d be horrified if our NHS was privatised & it worries me that this is already happening, by stealth. I hope reform is possible to stop people like Hollie Dance from being allowed to waste precious resources and prolong unnecessary & futile treatment provided to their relatives.
Is this Archie’s? I thought his account was deleted
I’ve wondered the same
I had a hunch come over me last night. What if the reason she keeps changing the times/story is cause at the time she popped off to do a cheeky line when she was supposed to be watching him like a hawk.
So I've just seen on the news that Hollie is asking for an investigation into the way Archie has been treated. Unbelievable! She's definitely going to try suing the NHS.
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