Southport Attacks and Aftermath #2

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One thing I’m curious about is the guy on sky news saying “the mosques are open, come in and discuss” so can I come in without a Hijab on?
A lot of mosques ask you to dress modestly but you're not necessarily required to wear a headscarf
 
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It was discussed in the news thi

It was on Sky news today he fought for them to get benefits from the off…I’ve hear it time and time again. No other country would be so generous they flock to the U.K. and Germany as we are so generous…lodgings, clothes, food and phones… meanwhile we struggle with bills and food . If they stayed in France they’d have a tent in a field no wonder they risk their lives to come here. Every single person I speak to is sick fed up of the level of migration that is the issue☹
doesn’t everyone tend to speak to people in their own echo chamber though?
 
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I thought the tents in fields in France was because they haven’t claimed asylum in France as they want to come to the UK? I think if they do actually claim asylum in France then they are obligated to look after them like we are here?
 
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One thing I’m curious about is the guy on sky news saying “the mosques are open, come in and discuss” so can I come in without a Hijab on?
Most have community areas and kitchens where you can eat without wearing one, you probably won't be in the prayer hall. But you can check with your local mosque and take a scarf if unsure.
 
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Yes exactly. People just spread misinformation, get people riled up and it fuels situations like these.
The thing is, once people are so far gone in their „opinion“, it doesn’t matter if you point out facts to them, they won’t believe them. One of the most important tools of the right is convincing people that the traditional media is only telling „leftist“ fake news. The only „real“ news are the ones spread on specific social media platforms or from known talking heads.
 
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Iain Lee offering to help family members.
I am not familiar with him, don't remember him from IAC either - is he a therapist? If he is, I hope it is beneficial to someone but of course just riding on the back of a tragedy for selfpromotion gives me the ick. There have been traumatising events well before then - where was he helping those affected then?

That being said, the guy underneath is a dose too with his 'advice', I would have blocked him too.
 
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The big problem was that the Tories stopped processing claims and just shoved them all in hotels or the big barge meaning they were unable to work and pay their way and they were able to go missing and get lost in the system. They also stopped cooperating with the French authorities due to Brexit. I believe that Labour have already started to do this and have already sent people back who's claims for asylum weren't admitted and have started processing the huge back log.

Also the right wing are anti climate change/net zero changes and climate change will create an even bigger wave of immigrants.
 
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The thing is, once people are so far gone in their „opinion“, it doesn’t matter if you point out facts to them, they won’t believe them. One of the most important tools of the right is convincing people that the traditional media is only telling „leftist“ fake news. The only „real“ news are the ones spread on specific social media platforms or from known talking heads.
The social media algorithms don’t help either.
 
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A lot of mosques ask you to dress modestly but you're not necessarily required to wear a headscarf
No one seems to have a problem with "dressing for Church" strangely enough.

Lots of religious places of worship encourage modesty.


*I'm an atheist so it's all a load of old balls anyway*
 
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I don’t know if anyone is watching Sky but the woman sat with the little girl on her knee a few minutes ago should be ashamed of herself. The little girl looked all of four and they were right by the line of police with shields
She needs the kid removing why the duck would you take your kid to watch this thuggery?
 
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The thing is, once people are so far gone in their „opinion“, it doesn’t matter if you point out facts to them, they won’t believe them. One of the most important tools of the right is convincing people that the traditional media is only telling „leftist“ fake news. The only „real“ news are the ones spread on specific social media platforms or from known talking heads.
And that we're programmed and they're the only free thinkers.
 
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Most have community areas and kitchens where you can eat without wearing one, you probably won't be in the prayer hall. But you can check with your local mosque and take a scarf if unsure.
That’s fair enough but why should I have to wear a scarf? If it was my religion and I chose to do it then that is one thing but it isn’t welcoming to ask me to wear a scarf hypothetically to just engage with people when I am not religious.
 
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One thing I’m curious about is the guy on sky news saying “the mosques are open, come in and discuss” so can I come in without a Hijab on?
You don't need to wear Hijab to enter a mosque. It's respectful to dress modestly and I have thrown a scarf over my head in the past to attend a funeral/wake/memorial service but if it wasn't for something like that you would not need to.

Just to point out, I did something similar when I was in the Vatican. I didn't have to like.
 
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One thing I’m curious about is the guy on sky news saying “the mosques are open, come in and discuss” so can I come in without a Hijab on?
Of course. Non-Muslims who visit mosques aren’t forced to wear a hijab or niqab, but many do out of respect (just like if you’re on holiday and wouldn’t necessarily wear a bikini top and hot pants while visiting temple for example).
 
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That’s fair enough but why should I have to wear a scarf? If it was my religion and I chose to do it then that is one thing but it isn’t welcoming to ask me to wear a scarf hypothetically to just engage with people when I am not religious.
same reason as I take my shoes off when I go to peoples houses if they ask me to or I have to wear socks at soft play, or can't wear trainers in certain nightclubs (that might not happen now I'm very old!)
 
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3 families are planning the funerals of their babies right now and these idiots use it as an excuse to behave like this?

It's an insult to those families and those little kids.
 
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I've just been reading the Wikipedia article about the 2011 riots. If it's anything like that this time, we've got a way to go. As I recall there was little that could be done to stop the rioting. It just petered out. We need it to start raining.

I remember these drifting up north. Any excuse to trash and loot. Some little chavs thought they were tough in the town I lived in and thought they'd try and do over the little co-op, until the locals turned up to stop them.

It'll stop when the football season starts I bet
 
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That’s fair enough but why should I have to wear a scarf? If it was my religion and I chose to do it then that is one thing but it isn’t welcoming to ask me to wear a scarf hypothetically to just engage with people when I am not religious.
When I visit cathedrals or churches in Italy or Spain I can’t wear shorts and have to cover my shoulders.
 
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It was discussed in the news thi

It was on Sky news today he fought for them to get benefits from the off…I’ve hear it time and time again. No other country would be so generous they flock to the U.K. and Germany as we are so generous…lodgings, clothes, food and phones… meanwhile we struggle with bills and food . If they stayed in France they’d have a tent in a field no wonder they risk their lives to come here. Every single person I speak to is sick fed up of the level of migration that is the issue☹
I'm assuming since you watch the news on the situation and have obviously heard many conversations on it that you're aware the majority of refugees do live in countries neighbouring their countries of origin, and France receives a higher number of asylum applications than the UK.

Turkey hosts the highest number of refugees, must be their generous benefits package?
 
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Honestly I actually just can’t anymore. The amounts of comments on here, on other social media just tells me you know absolutely nothing about the asylum system/what they get/reasons as to why people end up here. It’s pure and utter racism that you’ve just swallowed up by the media.

And I’m in no way saying that immigration shouldn’t be controlled either. Things do need to change but a multitude of things together…what doesn’t need to happen is for all immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees to be racially abused, attacked, and for Muslims to be directly targeted.

I literally BEG you to search how many WHITE MALES commit violent crimes against women and children in the daily. Ask yourself why you’re not up in arms about this?! Why is it only when the perpetrator is not white.
disgusting.

Edited to add - they are PEOPLE. Where the duck is your humanity!
This 👏🏼 What’s the saying? You can lead a horse to water…..
 
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