Shamima Begum

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She’s 21 now , how long would she honestly get in prison in the UK 10 years shortened by saying how sorry she is , how she was radicalised!!! She will then get a free house a new name and be free to do what she wants again by the age of 30 and more than likely end another “white widow” hell bent on revenge
 
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Would you feel comfortable if she moved in next door to you?

I know I wouldn’t.
 
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I think she will end up back here. I don’t agree with it personally, but that’s what I think will happen. I wouldn’t feel safe knowing someone like her was walking amongst us, and I have no faith in the British justice system to keep her locked away forever.

Yes, she was groomed and radicalised, but she is an adult now and not even losing her own children was enough for her to see how horrific the crimes of Isis are. She lacks genuine remorse even now, and that is terrifying.
 
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But there are all sorts of bad people walking among us. Whilst we’ve been discussing her hundreds more have been radicalised- who knows what they’ll do in a year or two? You can’t control bad people by refusing to let them back into their country of origin. Reality is we have lots of British bad people. That’s just life

to be honest Sb is probably here already, she was given permission to return to the U.K. and appeal her citizenship withdrawal back in July.
 
I initially felt "duck her, she should never be allowed back". But after listening to a couple of solicitors talk about the case I realised that she should be brought back her to face UK justice. She is a citizen and she should be tried as such in our courts for her crimes. I don't think it's right to make another country take responsibility for her. The UK must take responsibility for the trial and punishment of its own criminals.

This is not about applying a soft touch to her, it's about the application of justice to UK citizens by UK courts.
Absolutely. It’s a disgraceful stance by UK to foist our problems onto other countries. They say she should/could get Bangladeshi citizenship. Why? That’s unfair to Bangladesh.

She’s a British citizen (or was) and she should be brought back here to be tried in UK courts and face justice for her crimes.
 
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Absolutely. It’s a disgraceful stance by UK to foist our problems onto other countries. They say she should/could get Bangladeshi citizenship. Why? That’s unfair to Bangladesh.

She’s a British citizen (or was) and she should be brought back here to be tried in UK courts and face justice for her crimes.
She foisted herself onto them. Also note the drug smuggling grandmother in Bali, they don’t want to give her back to the U.K.
 
Absolutely. It’s a disgraceful stance by UK to foist our problems onto other countries. They say she should/could get Bangladeshi citizenship. Why? That’s unfair to Bangladesh.

She’s a British citizen (or was) and she should be brought back here to be tried in UK courts and face justice for her crimes.
Well this is it isn’t it we’re quick to want foreign criminals out of our country because they’re not our problem, but the second one of our own citizens commits horrific crimes abroad they are also not our problem. Can’t have it both ways. She should face the consequences of her actions here like others before her. The system being ‘soft’ isn’t an excuse to wash our hands of the whole situation. It is an excuse however to put pressure on the government to make changes to the system so these people serve appropriate sentences.
 
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But there are all sorts of bad people walking among us.
Exactly, and we don’t want one more. The only way I’d be happy about her returning is if she was dealt with harshly, but that will never happen. That’s my opinion, not everyone will feel the same but I bet many do and I can’t blame them.
 
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If she was allowed back she will be unemployable, let's face it who would want to employ her. Not only that she will be living in a house free of charge, getting loads of benefits.

She made her bed now lie in it, don't ever want to see her back in the UK again.
Too much money will be spent on her case, lock her up and throw away the key.
 
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Terrorism? She actively sewed people into bomb vests.
Only way she should be dealt with is by locking her up and throwing away the key.
Not in the U.K. though- we don’t prosecute people for crimes they committed in other countries, we don’t have any juristriction to do so
 
Not in the U.K. though- we don’t prosecute people for crimes they committed in other countries, we don’t have any juristriction to do so
You can be prosecuted for taking a child abroad to undergo FGM, even if FGM isn’t widely prosecuted in that country, as an example.
My problem with this is she was groomed as a child and left as a child so this was her being abused and groomed. I also think if she we white people would be more sympathetic to her situation. She was 15 when she left the UK.
I don’t have a solution to offer particularly, but I don’t see why any one of us should provide a solution. Just my opinion on the matter.
 
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If she was allowed back she will be unemployable, let's face it who would want to employ her. Not only that she will be living in a house free of charge, getting loads of benefits.

She made her bed now lie in it, don't ever want to see her back in the UK again.
Too much money will be spent on her case, lock her up and throw away the key.
Taxpayers will footing the impending trip to the plastic surgeon and protection fees.
 
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You can be prosecuted for taking a child abroad to undergo FGM, even if FGM isn’t widely prosecuted in that country, as an example.
My problem with this is she was groomed as a child and left as a child so this was her being abused and groomed. I also think if she we white people would be more sympathetic to her situation. She was 15 when she left the UK.
I don’t have a solution to offer particularly, but I don’t see why any one of us should provide a solution. Just my opinion on the matter.
so in your example the person who groomed her, if they are in the U.K, can be prosecuted.
The victim- of grooming or FGM isn’t prosecuted. So your example is either nothing to do SBs situation or just shows she doesn’t fit the profile of prosecution for crimes committed abroad?
 
so in your example the person who groomed her, if they are in the U.K, can be prosecuted.
The victim- of grooming or FGM isn’t prosecuted. So your example is either nothing to do SBs situation or just shows she doesn’t fit the profile of prosecution for crimes committed abroad?
I was just trying to say you can he prosecuted for crimes committed abroad.
SB shouldn’t be prosecuted in my opinion because she was groomed and abused as a child.

I don’t know but she looks an arrogant hole to me.
I’ve found this thread deeply disturbing and inflammatory.
She was groomed online at 15. Married off to a 27 year old as a child bride and then grape under the pretence of consensual marriage. She was brainwashed as a child.
If she was white, people would have so much more sympathy for her.
 
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I was just trying to say you can he prosecuted for crimes committed abroad.
SB shouldn’t be prosecuted in my opinion because she was groomed and abused as a child.


I’ve found this thread deeply disturbing and inflammatory.
She was groomed online at 15. Married off to a 27 year old as a child bride and then grape under the pretence of consensual marriage. She was brainwashed as a child.
If she was white, people would have so much more sympathy for her.
Two words. Samantha Lewthwaite. Had everyone fooled, like this martyr.
 
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I probably won’t be able to articulate myself as I would like to, but I’ll give it a shot.

This person was underage when she left the UK. She was a child. She was groomed online and was married to an adult far older than her. At her age, the UK law protect children and she was not able to provide consent. She is a victim of grooming/child sexual abuse/online radicalisation.

She was let down by the people around her that should have protected her. Blame cannot be placed on one person, but she was targeted by extremists and victimised. God only knows what happened to her.

I don’t dispute that she probably was involved in horrific crimes and assisted terrorist activity (where there would be victims as a result of this), but I do believe she is a victim of radicalisation and child sexual exploitation.

It is a huge ethical dilemma whether she should be held responsible for her actions, or whether the people responsible for grooming her should be held responsible.

As others have said, if she had been a blonde haired, blue eyes, white girl from an affluent family, I very much doubt she would be receiving the same opinions.
 
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Two words. Samantha Lewthwaite. Had everyone fooled, like this martyr.
The woman you’re referencing, married at 19 years old.
I probably won’t be able to articulate myself as I would like to, but I’ll give it a shot.

This person was underage when she left the UK. She was a child. She was groomed online and was married to an adult far older than her. At her age, the UK law protect children and she was not able to provide consent. She is a victim of grooming/child sexual abuse/online radicalisation.

She was let down by the people around her that should have protected her. Blame cannot be placed on one person, but she was targeted by extremists and victimised. God only knows what happened to her.

I don’t dispute that she probably was involved in horrific crimes and assisted terrorist activity (where there would be victims as a result of this), but I do believe she is a victim of radicalisation and child sexual exploitation.

It is a huge ethical dilemma whether she should be held responsible for her actions, or whether the people responsible for grooming her should be held responsible.

As others have said, if she had been a blonde haired, blue eyes, white girl from an affluent family, I very much doubt she would be receiving the same opinions.
yes precisely. Thank you for articulating this better than me.
 
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