Thanks for the clarity. Still an odd statement to make. Anita clearly had concerns re; FS, Yvonne and Jordan because nights out for young parents aren’t uncommon and are usually no issue if the child is well cared for prior to this.
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I don’t think it’s a strange statement for Anita to make at all. I think it reads like a desperately sad relative trying to apportion blame onto anyone that seemed to have any influence on how the whole sorry situation started. I don’t think she necessarily means it or can articulate what she actually means, but I think she’s so overcome with grief that she’s putting 2+2 together and getting 5.
Yeah - this is how I took it too. Anita had previously said that Frankie didn’t go out much prior to being introduced to it by Jordan, it appears she was easily led and Anita was sad that it was down the wrong path.
She looks like a different species.Just looking through some of the photos from the Sun Hotel-she looks like a massive bruiser doesn’t she
Yeah I don’t think Anita was referring to Frankie’s sexuality as the problem. I took it to mean that SB was very manipulative and Frankie would never have met her if Jordan didn’t start taking her to that particular pub. Certainly it’s true that she could have met a man with similar tendencies but as family you’re going to wish certain things in that timeline could be changed.
That’s really interesting about MN. I didn’t know they were struggling financially! I’ve often thought that their agenda is odd at times. And whenever they take a thread down ‘for now’, it never goes back up again!
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I do hope she gets this then. Still, even that doesn’t seem enough does it. Star saw one birthday, just one. If only they took into account the years robbed off Star. I’d award 80 years on top of that. I’ll never really understand the poor sentences in this country for serious crimes.
I think she could get whole life tarriff if the judge decides SB was unusually cruel. Not 100% infact in going to read back up on sentencing guidelines. It's difficult for judges to use whole life orders specially when it involves 1 victim but it can be done. Never heard of it being used for a domestic case but I guess we can hope.
To the best of my knowledge yes.
No I have to disagree. Medical reasons aside which she didn't make mention of, to wait until 21 WEEKS to terminate a pregnancy you know you don't want. Nope that is hideous.
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Mumsnet aren’t a forum tbh they’re an advertising opportunity for the woman that owns it. They used to be in cahoots with all the big ad agencies when I worked at one of the big ones very briefly years ago they were aware of us scraping member posts for analysis and condoned this (this is also possible with tattle but the way the website is configured makes a lot harder, because it’s actually for conversation not for data capture). I wouldn’t go near Mumsnet with a barge pole and that’s not even getting onto the gross culture there. But when they claim they’re pulling threads altruistically, they’re not, it’s because they need to provide those spending £ on their platform with performance reports and they don’t want to see undesirable content in that.
That said I have reported the thread to mods to check over it, hopefully someone will comment and either let us know they’ve got to lock it or why it’s safe!
I hope the Tattle powers don't have to delete this thread. I think it's only if things are discussed that haven't been said in court which may jeopardise a fair trial when a thread would need to be pulled isn't it?
I know the subject is horrendous and the life of a child has been taken away but it's been such a level headed, informative thread - as have the two before that. For example, Anita's comment about Jordan taking FS to the gay-bars. Some posters took it one way, some another and the explanations from each poster to analyse what she meant have been so fair. I didn't understand the bits about the romani translation, and a couple of people took the time to explain it.
On the other site, there'd have been such snideyness and belittling. I haven't come across any of that yet.
There's been the odd comment here aimed directly, mostly at SB, JH, FS, YS but well deserved, mostly well worded but certainly not many pitchfork wielders.
I know the subject is horrendous and the life of a child has been taken away but it's been such a level headed, informative thread - as have the two before that. For example, Anita's comment about Jordan taking FS to the gay-bars. Some posters took it one way, some another and the explanations from each poster to analyse what she meant have been so fair. I didn't understand the bits about the romani translation, and a couple of people took the time to explain it.
On the other site, there'd have been such snideyness and belittling. I haven't come across any of that yet.
There's been the odd comment here aimed directly, mostly at SB, JH, FS, YS but well deserved, mostly well worded but certainly not many pitchfork wielders.
Jordan can’t be blamed. Frankie was out drinking Thursday to Sunday - she would have found her way into these bars regardless.
It honestly makes me so sad that if SB probably wouldn’t of come on the scene that poor baby would still be here. They all say, yeah FS was lazy with her and needed help, but she was a happy baby and once SB arrived that’s when it all went downhill. It’s just heartbreaking how Star went from happy and loved to neglected and seen as such a sad baby 
She was still neglected by her mum whether SB was around or not.
I can’t get over FS texting SB after she was returned one time.
To me this sums up how controlled and under pressure she felt - to add the caveat that ‘I’m not blaming you’ is so hugely devastating to the outcome poor Star faced.
To me this sums up how controlled and under pressure she felt - to add the caveat that ‘I’m not blaming you’ is so hugely devastating to the outcome poor Star faced.
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If I'm right in thinking that the only questions SB has had so far are from her defence team then next week is going to be explosive under cross examination. My feeling is the jury are going to get a real look at SB's explosive temper if the questions rattle her.
She looks nothing like in her filtered pictures.
The prosecution and FS’s defence will be hoping that’s the case. Light a fire under her, see what happens.
She started wearing a lot more make up and getting her eyelashes done also changed her clothes after she met with SB - they said in court that she started to dress like a traveller etc.She looks nothing like in her filtered pictures.
If they speak to her the way they’ve been speaking to the woman on little Arthur’s case then wwooaahhhh it’s going to get heated.
I also think this was a couple of years ago so she naturally changed etc.. she really was so very beautiful and I wonder if this has a lot to do with SB’s behaviour towards her - the insecurity of her leaving her etc.She looks nothing like in her filtered pictures.
I think the point Anita was making was pre Jordan, FS wasn’t out drinking full stop. It sounds as if she was still playing with dolls a year or two prior to all of this!
Re the comment it’s obvs illogical but Anita’s not only had one of the most devastating life events possible, her granddaughter (& daughter of her dead son) who lived with her for 2+ years as a teen is the one who has done it. She’s lost two people in this, so probably can’t think straight and is looking for answers or to apportion blame. I know I wouldn’t want to think my LO was capable of such things, you’d always be looking for an explanation or a reason and sadly I doubt she’ll ever get one.
I really hope FS speaks truthfully this week because Star’s family deserve answers & they deserve to know that they did their best, SB and FS were purposefully deceitful/evasive to get away with continuing the abuse.
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