Savanna Brockhill and Frankie Smith #3

[heretoreaditall2019]

Yeah, didn't a MN thread get pulled which was about Star?

Mumsnet pulls those threads for commercial reasons, they’re in serious financial tit and need all the ad spend they can get. They’re not going to get brand partnerships or sell ad space on a thread about a murder of a child.

Just found this: https://www.gov.uk/contempt-of-court

The two points that may be crossed is saying if someone is guilty or innocent, and releasing info that isn’t in the court case (eg people sharing bits off Facebook). I don’t understand if the guilty or innocent thing is more focused on journalists etc on Twitter with large reach, someone on another thread shared how forums are exempt from the Twitter legal beefs that have happened cos it’s seen more as a “chat in a coffee shop” whereas Twitter is akin to media publishing these days. No idea tho.

 

[elikayute]

That’s interesting about the sadism point. The barrister on Arthur’s case has been trying to get Tustin to say she got pleasure from what she did too.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

That’s interesting about the sadism point. The barrister on Arthur’s case has been trying to get Tustin to say she got pleasure from what she did too.

That's such a good point! I wasn't sure if TH would be convicted of murder but as the case goes on I think he will. At the very least causing/allowing his death (if the jury have that option). I still can't get over her casually aborting a pregnancy at 21 weeks after "banking on a miscarriage" that's one callous woman right there.

 

[avabella]

Yes

That’s interesting about the sadism point. The barrister on Arthur’s case has been trying to get Tustin to say she got pleasure from what she did too.

I stuck my head in Arthur's case but my heart is so full of Star that I don't think I could handle that too. I did see the prosecutor absolutely giving her FULL THROTTLE though, so let's hope SB gets the same treatment.

 

[elikayute]

Yeah I’m not sure what will happen re TH until he goes on the stand. But ET, wow, I’ve never been so disgusted.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Yes

I stuck my head in Arthur's case but my heart is so full of Star that I don't think I could handle that too. I did see the prosecutor absolutely giving her FULL THROTTLE though, so let's hope SB gets the same treatment.

The barrister didn't hold back. From what I read it sounded like they wanted her to get angry, even for that split second so the jury could see for themselves. She's another one I can see getting 30+. The father slightly less purely because he didn't inflict the fatal blow.

 

[avabella]

The barrister didn't hold back. From what I read it sounded like they wanted her to get angry, even for that split second so the jury could see for themselves. She's another one I can see getting 30+. The father slightly less purely because he didn't inflict the fatal blow.

Yes I was shocked at what I was reading! It was like those American courts you see, with them really giving it to them. I hope that's what they do to the both of these creatures, but especially SB. She's up on that stand with her pants down and there's nothing she can do about it, that will absolutely rile her something awful.

 

[elikayute]

She’s already had to concede to another guilty plea for assault. That barrister ripping into her isn’t even the prosecution; it’s THs barrister.

 

[avabella]

She’s already had to concede to another guilty plea for assault. That barrister ripping into her isn’t even the prosecution; it’s THs barrister.

Oh woah really? He’s really something.

 

[nothinonyou]

She’s already had to concede to another guilty plea for assault. That barrister ripping into her isn’t even the prosecution; it’s THs barrister.

he's really amazing and I agree with everything he's saying about her. She's pure evil and murdered that child in cold blood

 

[Lucyxxxx]

She’s already had to concede to another guilty plea for assault. That barrister ripping into her isn’t even the prosecution; it’s THs barrister.

Take it TH has changed his tune then?

 

[Octopies]

Oh wow sounds like I really need to read about this other case. But like someone else said I will wait until this one is over there’s only so much I can take I’ve read the updates on an evening and every night I’ve wanted to run into my baby’s room and scoop her up out of her cot

 

[Rustyee83]

She’s already had to concede to another guilty plea for assault. That barrister ripping into her isn’t even the prosecution; it’s THs barrister.

No it was THs barrister this morning but Hankin (prosecution) for most of the day, he hasn’t finished yet and will resume on Monday.

Take it TH has changed his tune then?

No clue yet, very little has been said about his outlook on it apart from the initial interviews. He will probably be in the dock by the end of next week is his barrister sees fit.

 

[karmadrama]

I cannot believe the holier than thou act SB is putting on in the witness stand. I know the CCTV and other evidence shows what she’s really like and she can’t talk her way out of that but I really hope the jury don’t fall for any of her bullshit!

 

[TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo]

thank you, I thought that was the term but wasn't sure. Apparantly James Bulger's killers are like this, one was the instigator and the other followed. I think one had a horrible childhood, messed up home and the other was just some kind of a sadist (arrested as an adult for possessing child porn).

Not quite. They both had difficult childhoods and Folie à Deux wouldn't apply in their scenario. Literally translated it means a madness of two and although that could be any two people, generally it is used to describe a man and a woman who commit murder together.

That's such a good point! I wasn't sure if TH would be convicted of murder but as the case goes on I think he will. At the very least causing/allowing his death (if the jury have that option). I still can't get over her casually aborting a pregnancy at 21 weeks after "banking on a miscarriage" that's one callous woman right there.

I don't know...I think some of that has been misconstrued. If we put aside the crime for a moment, this is a woman who was so convinced she wanted to die she jumped off a six storey high building.
Due to those injuries she has since suffered two miscarriages and assumed all future pregnancies would go the same way.

Either the abortion was advised medically (this is possible, no further info was given) or she felt unable to carry on with the pregnancy of a wanted child.
I don't think either scenario should be used against her though. Maybe she didn't want to bring a child into her situation. Or maybe she was trying to punish herself.

Whilst what she is accused of is abhorrent, some things shouldn't be brought down to evil vs non evil.

 

[karmadrama]

Is there live coverage of Arthur’s case like there is with Star’s? Sorry if I’ve missed it, I keep seeing it mentioned but not sure where/how to follow it.

 

[Hereforagoodtime85]

SB is a danger to society imo.



Frankie was straight most of the time. I don’t know if you remember but Anita Smith said that Jordan was the one who introduced Frankie to The Sun & she wouldn’t forgive him for it.

I think this is quite naive of Anita, tbh. I’m a gay woman, and though I was aware early on, I still identified as bisexual until my early twenties.
Jordan taking Frankie to a gay bar won’t have had any influence on her sexuality. FS having her first same sex relationship at 18-19 isn’t uncommon.
Jordan could’ve taken Frankie to a straight pub, and could have met the male equivalent of SB. This ‘relationship’ was doomed from the start. Someone mentioned Myra Hindley earlier in the thread (apologies, I don’t know who) and were looking at comparisons; I read a book several years ago that questioned whether MH and IB would’ve ended up murdering all of those children had they never met, but instead married regular people, had regular lived or if they were individually ticking time bombs. I feel this case is like this. FS would have likely ended up abusing Star, one way or the other. SB wanted to own those in her life. The two of them together was just a recipe for disaster. Sadly, I think SB will come out of this looking better based on her testimony.. luckily, the evidence will speak for itself.

I think this is quite naive of Anita, tbh. I’m a gay woman, and though I was aware early on, I still identified as bisexual until my early twenties.
Jordan taking Frankie to a gay bar won’t have had any influence on her sexuality. FS having her first same sex relationship at 18-19 isn’t uncommon.
Jordan could’ve taken Frankie to a straight pub, and could have met the male equivalent of SB. This ‘relationship’ was doomed from the start. Someone mentioned Myra Hindley earlier in the thread (apologies, I don’t know who) and were looking at comparisons; I read a book several years ago that questioned whether MH and IB would’ve ended up murdering all of those children had they never met, but instead married regular people, had regular lived or if they were individually ticking time bombs. I feel this case is like this. FS would have likely ended up abusing Star, one way or the other. SB wanted to own those in her life. The two of them together was just a recipe for disaster. Sadly, I think SB will come out of this looking better based on her testimony.. luckily, the evidence will speak for itself.

Apologies for the errors - I’m knackered

 

[pinkjune]

Frankie and Jordan and i think that's her friend and babysitter becky

 

[pissedandsad]

If a murder involves an element of sadism the starting point is 30 years, Stars age,then add the fact she was in a position of trust, then add the DV. Ol girls looking on 32-35 years.

Is this a general rule of thumb n the UK?

 

[pinkjune]

I think this is quite naive of Anita, tbh. I’m a gay woman, and though I was aware early on,

I think anita meant she didn't like jordan introducing her to going out to bars etc . Any bar. She said frankie didn't have any interest in going out before jordan took her, if I recall correctly