Savanna Brockhill and Frankie Smith #3

[heretoreaditall2019]

New thread. Firstly massive trigger warning for themes of domestic violence & violence towards and eventual murder of a child.

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Today the prosecution concluded & it went to the defence, wherein we heard from Satan herself Savannah Brockhill, the baby beater.

And it feels an apt time to say it but remembering the most important person in all of this is Star, RIP Star

 

[LittleMy]

Someone on the previous thread mentioned about SB and FS getting together being a recipe for disaster. There is a psychological term for it and that’s ‘folie à deux’ - madness of two. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley are a common example of this.

 

[nothinonyou]

Someone on the previous thread mentioned about SB and FS getting together being a recipe for disaster. There is a psychological term for it and that’s ‘folie à deux’ - madness of two. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley are a common example of this.

thank you, I thought that was the term but wasn't sure. Apparantly James Bulger's killers are like this, one was the instigator and the other followed. I think one had a horrible childhood, messed up home and the other was just some kind of a sadist (arrested as an adult for possessing child porn).

 

[L31]

I’ve not seen it have u got a link pls

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They're all on the Sun Hotel Bradford FB page. Wide eyes, dilated pupils, clenched jaws.

 

[AdelesEarring]

Someone on the previous thread mentioned about SB and FS getting together being a recipe for disaster. There is a psychological term for it and that’s ‘folie à deux’ - madness of two. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley are common examples of this.

Yes folie a deux is more common than I realised. Much more. In this case I’m not as sure that it’s quite the same as, say Brady & Hindley. I don’t think FS was able to predict where her relationship with Sb could end up. Her grandfather could see it and he warned her that SB would ruin her life.

 

[elikayute]

Re “not doing a good job of defence if it looks like someone is guilty” - I don’t think you could. If your passion is justice, what if you didn’t represent someone who looked guilty very well and they got sent down and then it turned out they weren’t guilty. Remember some people convicted of murder were hanged and then found to be innocent at a later point.

Also,
ive gone back through the major injuries and they all fit when SB was there.
She had Star 12-14th September, 8-10 days before her death.
Skull fracture 5-10 days before death
Leg fracture 2-4 week
Re fracture of leg likely 3-7 days but could be as much as 9 days; also potentially from jumping down a step as bone was weakened.
Rib fracture 2-4 weeks before death.

I was wondering earlier if in those lengthy 15 mins before an ambulance was called, could SB have spent time threatening FS to keep quiet. I’m sure the detail yesterday said FS shouted out to “Call the f*ing police” and also that she texted 999 - perhaps to get an ambulance without SB knowing? I do think FS has contributed to bruising but I don’t think sheknew about major injuries.

 

[L31]

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[LittleMy]

Yes folie a deux is more common than I realised. Much more. In this case I’m not as sure that it’s quite the same as, say Brady & Hindley. I don’t think FS was able to predict where her relationship with Sb could end up. Her grandfather could see it and he warned her that SB would ruin her life.

Definitely not on the same level as Hindley and Brady, no. They’re just prime examples along with the Wests and other killer couples.

 

[candyland_]

I can see them both getting over 20 years for this.

 

[nothinonyou]

Interesting that Frankie and her friends frequented The Sun which is a gay bar when they're all straight (apart from Frankie obviously). Maybe it's just known as a good place to go in Bradford?

 

[Housework Fairy]

Interesting that Frankie and her friends frequented The Sun which is a gay bar when they're all straight (apart from Frankie obviously). Maybe it's just known as a good place to go in Bradford?

It's the nearest pub to the nightclubs, I have no idea what time nightclubs open so maybe they just went there before the clubs opened? Bradford is not really blessed for nightlife. I have heard that although it's a gay bar, and has been for many, many moons, they are very welcoming to all.

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

Re “not doing a good job of defence if it looks like someone is guilty” - I don’t think you could. If your passion is justice, what if you didn’t represent someone who looked guilty very well and they got sent down and then it turned out they weren’t guilty. Remember some people convicted of murder were hanged and then found to be innocent at a later point.

Also,
ive gone back through the major injuries and they all fit when SB was there.
She had Star 12-14th September, 8-10 days before her death.
Skull fracture 5-10 days before death
Leg fracture 2-4 week
Re fracture of leg likely 3-7 days but could be as much as 9 days; also potentially from jumping down a step as bone was weakened.
Rib fracture 2-4 weeks before death.

I was wondering earlier if in those lengthy 15 mins before an ambulance was called, could SB have spent time threatening FS to keep quiet. I’m sure the detail yesterday said FS shouted out to “Call the f*ing police” and also that she texted 999 - perhaps to get an ambulance without SB knowing? I do think FS has contributed to bruising but I don’t think sheknew about major injuries.

Thank you for running through & doing this, when reading the defence at the time I felt like the medical professional (may have been multiple of them) made it quite clear that these historical injuries dated back to time periods where SB *had* had contact with Star.

Re the madness of two, it reminds me of to kill a mockingbird at school the scene where the gang go to lynch a man & Atticus stops them and it’s an illustration of mob mentality, like you lose your sense of personal responsibility because you’re part of a larger group. I do think FS must have been aware of the abuse to some degree, but the fact Star survived so much of it likely helped fuel FS’ delusion/wilful ignorance of it all.

Really hoping that FS speaks the truth next week.

 

[AdelesEarring]

I can see them both getting over 20 years for this.

SB is a danger to society imo.

It's the nearest pub to the nightclubs, I have no idea what time nightclubs open so maybe they just went there before the clubs opened? Bradford is not really blessed for nightlife. I have heard that although it's a gay bar, and has been for many, many moons, they are very welcoming to all.

Frankie was straight most of the time. I don’t know if you remember but Anita Smith said that Jordan was the one who introduced Frankie to The Sun & she wouldn’t forgive him for it.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

I can see them both getting over 20 years for this.

If a murder involves an element of sadism the starting point is 30 years, Stars age,then add the fact she was in a position of trust, then add the DV. Ol girls looking on 32-35 years.

 

[heretoreaditall2019]

SB is a danger to society imo.



Frankie was straight most of the time. I don’t know if you remember but Anita Smith said that Jordan was the one who introduced Frankie to The Sun & she wouldn’t forgive him for it.

Feel so terribly sad for Anita & David & Ben, I did consider putting a little thing in the thread summary saying something to the effect of they were Star’s very loving family and condolences and solidarity because this must be a living hell for them right now, they did so much for her in life and really tried to get help, and now have to go through this horror following her death. So sad, completely needlessly sad x

 

[Dallasdreamlove]

Just looking through some of the photos from the Sun Hotel-she looks like a massive bruiser doesn’t she

 

[candyland_]

If a murder involves an element of sadism the starting point is 30 years, Stars age,then add the fact she was in a position of trust, then add the DV. Ol girls looking on 32-35 years.

Wow!

 

[avabella]

If a murder involves an element of sadism the starting point is 30 years, Stars age,then add the fact she was in a position of trust, then add the DV. Ol girls looking on 32-35 years.

Where did you get this info? I'd like to look at it and hope and pray they meet the criteria.

Edit; I found this website which was really useful.

I wonder if David and Anita will submit a victim statement. I can guarantee that will be absolutely heartbreaking.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Murder-sentencing-leaflet-for-web1.pdf

 

[Eddypeter]

Just looking through some of the photos from the Sun Hotel-she looks like a massive bruiser doesn’t she

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She’s a monster

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Where did you get this info? I'd like to look at it and hope and pray they meet the criteria.

I've had a general interest in reading up cases, finding out sentencing guidelines for various offences and I remember looking up murder sentence guidelines and read it there any murder with a sexual/sadistic/gun involved has a sentencing starting point of 30 yrs this can be reduced through mitigation but also can go up with aggravating features. That's just my guess based on all the facts I've read. If I was the judge I'd be finding ways to start from a whole life tariff.