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Terrible 😣

Schools can’t do everything. Parents must take some responsibility here. Someone’s son has been out there and murdered a woman who was just walking home. A class on it in school may not have as big as impact as we would wish. Morals and values, rights and wrongs come from parents and are instilled in us from birth. The school has a role in backing this up obviously but it must be with everyone else. Not solely them
Without knowing this awful man’s background you cannot lay the blame at his patents’ door. Some people are born evil.

My heart goes out to Sarah’s family and friends but I can’t stop thinking about his poor children. Their lives will have changed forever. The chances are they’ll have to leave their area, school and probably have new identities. Even walking the streets with their mum is going to put them in danger now she’s being identified.
That’s if their mum will be allowed to keep the children. Was she not arrested and charged with assisting an offender? If she knew what he had done and helped him she should be locked up too. My heart goes out to those poor children.
 
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I think she was a regular walker from the outfit she had on. She was wearing a jacket which costs from £200-£500ish which are designed for mountaineering/hiking etc. and “gym” style trainers (not fashion trainers) so she was equipped to walk a 50 min journey home through London. She wasn’t heading home in a pencil dress and heels where you may jump in a cab home for ease and comfort. Her outfit tells me walking home for her was her normal.
 
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I’ve been following this story on and off, the remains have not been identified as Sarah yet have they ? So it may or may not be her 😞
 
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Sorry to be a bit morbid, but adding on to tips, its said it can be a big help to police if you set up an “if I go missing” folder on your computer. You can google for details but apparently it can help them find you faster in case anything does happen. Includes things like recent pictures, photos of things that could help identify you like tattoos or jewellery you wear everyday, address, work addresses, other places you frequent. I can’t remember exactly everything that goes into it but it’s worth having I think!
 
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I’m glad his wife has been released even if on bail it gives hope for their children at least that she perhaps wasn’t involved 🙏🏼
I completely forgot that if the children have no parents they will literally have to go into care Omg :(

I’m so glad this is the top news story not some American women bleating about her injustices as a duchess.
this can be important and so can Meghan markle’s injustices she’s suffered within the royal family. But nice selective feminism
 
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Sarah's case has honestly broken my heart a bit. I've walked home at 9pm, god I've walked home later than 9pm. I've got into taxis alone absolutely shitfaced, with no recollection of being in them the morning after. I've walked off on a night out and come back 2 hours later not sure where I've been. Thought this was all ok (albeit a bit stupid) behaviour as I'm a student living in a small city, but Sarah's case has really, really showed me it's not and, even when we feel safe, the likelihood may be that we're not.

I was 18 when, during my shift in an 'event', a table of men aged 20-50 pulled me into a spare chair on their table and started spewing grotesque and gross things. For example, "You have blowjob lips", "What time are you finishing tonight?", "We'll show you how good it is not to have a boyfriend", despite the fact I had told them I have a boyfriend. All of that whilst one of them rubbed my leg under the table. I got up from the table, went straight to my boss in tears and she sent security to entertainer them out of the building. Every single security guard in the building got involved, came to see me to make sure I was ok, my current and old manager (one female, one male) both stayed with me all evening until my boyfriend came to collect me. I had to watch it all back on CCTV, but since there was no audio footage (only video) of them pulling me onto the table, I was advised not to pursue it - arguably, at 18, I wouldn't have been brave enough to pursue it anyways. The men protested being escorted out, which was captured on body cam, and they genuinely all used "she's a pretty girl we're just messing around". I had told them I was 18. They were so angry they tried to reenter the building and were banned for that reason. I was escorted out of the back of the building (with more people than I care to admit flanking me 😂 ) and didn't breathe until I was home with my boyfriend in bed.

It frightens me that these stories are normal. And we are almost encouraged to accept it and move on. No more moving on. No more acceptance.
 
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I think she was a regular walker from the outfit she had on. She was wearing a jacket which costs from £200-£500ish which are designed for mountaineering/hiking etc. and “gym” style trainers (not fashion trainers) so she was equipped to walk a 50 min journey home through London. She wasn’t heading home in a pencil dress and heels where you may jump in a cab home for ease and comfort. Her outfit tells me walking home for her was her normal.
Yep, I have a car but often if I have to go somewhere or do something I'll walk. The walk there and back is an activity in itself rather than a means of transport.
Some of my friends would im mad for walking to retail parks outside of town, and they think it's so far away even though for me it's great to get the fresh air and the exercise.
In these lockdown days its also a way of passing a bit of time instead of doing a 5 minute drive.

I love walking around town and looking at buildings and seeing what's happening. I have 2 dogs and they're old now and can't go for long walks anymore, I definitely much prefer walking with dogs especially the big one, I feel a little vulnerable without them. There's certain places I would have walked with my dogs like down the river bank that I wouldn't walk by myself.
 
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the breaking lockdown comments are p-ing me off. Like A) being kidnapped grape and murdered is not ok even if she was at an illegal dance [arty!

Also, she was wearing sporty clothes - she could have met up with her friend to exercise in a pair (permitted) then walked home after nipping into use the loo.

Women are angry, but not surprised. It could have been any of us.
 
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Anyone else struggling to think of anything else. I feel like I’ve had this huge realisation today. I’ve never even realised until now why I do the things I do. The things all women have talked about. I’m also realising all the incidents that have happened over my life since a young teen, all the near misses. That I brushed off as just life. It’s not normal and it’s not ok. And i can’t get passed it. Sarah is all of us. We’ve just been lucky.
 
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Before lockdown I would have to go to Worthing frequently. This would be in the evening, at about 17:30 - 20:30. On the way back to the train station, I thought it would be relatively safe because although the centre of town isn't exactly nice, it was very busy main roads with loads of CCTV. I now realise that I was fortunate that nothing has ever happened to me. The closest I came on that journey was a group of men from a woman-hating religion, one of them staring at me with absolute hatred as I walked by.

Georgina Gharsallah went missing from Worthing, and her family have tried so hard to help find her. The mum tried to contact the police any time the family and friends had new information, and the police actually told her off and said she was affecting staff morale. Sussex police have utterly failed in their duty, including not bothering to secure vital CCTV evidence of her in Worthing town centre on the day she went missing, so most of it was lost, and also deciding that a retracted witness statement saying that they'd seen a distressed Georgina being dragged down the main road by her elbows by two men that evening, was of no importance.

The police also mentioned that she had an "unconventional lifestyle", which can be translated as "Meh, whatever. Just another probable muggy".

It is interesting which cases the police and the media decide to publicise. Part of me wonders if the police knew they had some good leads with the Sarah Everard case early on, and so knew that this case would be solved quickly and make themselves look competent. Whereas Sussex police massively ducked up with Georgina, and have severely ducked up in other cases too, especially the stalking victim who was convicted of wasting police time after reporting her stalker, who then went on to murder her.
 
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Before lockdown I would have to go to Worthing frequently. This would be in the evening, at about 17:30 - 20:30. On the way back to the train station, I thought it would be relatively safe because although the centre of town isn't exactly nice, it was very busy main roads with loads of CCTV. I now realise that I was fortunate that nothing has ever happened to me. The closest I came on that journey was a group of men from a woman-hating religion, one of them staring at me with absolute hatred as I walked by.

Georgina Gharsallah went missing from Worthing, and her family have tried so hard to help find her. The mum tried to contact the police any time the family and friends had new information, and the police actually told her off and said she was affecting staff morale. Sussex police have utterly failed in their duty, including not bothering to secure vital CCTV evidence of her in Worthing town centre on the day she went missing, so most of it was lost, and also deciding that a retracted witness statement saying that they'd seen a distressed Georgina being dragged down the main road by her elbows by two men that evening, was of no importance.

The police also mentioned that she had an "unconventional lifestyle", which can be translated as "Meh, whatever. Just another probable muggy".

It is interesting which cases the police and the media decide to publicise. Part of me wonders if the police knew they had some good leads with the Sarah Everard case early on, and so knew that this case would be solved quickly and make themselves look competent. Whereas Sussex police massively ducked up with Georgina, and have severely ducked up in other cases too, especially the stalking victim who was convicted of wasting police time after reporting her stalker, who then went on to murder her.
Is there anything we can do to put Georgina Gharsallah’s case in the public eye? Seems the police only change their methods when acting like this if they are forced to by public pressure.
 
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Is there anything we can do to put Georgina Gharsallah’s case in the public eye? Seems the police only change their methods when acting like this if they are forced to by public pressure.
I wish I knew how to help. Hopefully the family can capitalise on the recent publicity, both on Sarah's case and on the 3rd anniversary of Georgina going missing. Here is the link to their twiiter, which contains information, and a go fund me to pay for flyers etc: https://twitter.com/FindGeorginaNow
I'm not on social media but they don't seem to get much attention, and would probably appreciate retweets. There's a facebook too.

The police referred themselves for investigation, also the mum has made an official complaint that Georgina's case was not treated properly due to her class and her race. It sounds like the ball is rolling there, but if there's more publicity hopefully it will be more likely to go in their favour. I hope that they can capitalise on the current climate regarding race and class. There's probably an element of Georgina not being a perfect victim.

The truth is, from first and second hand experience, Sussex Police are maliciously lazy and will do their utmost to avoid any serious work. I am developmentally disabled, and was spat on, harassed, and had horse manure thrown at me by young boys. They police got angry with me and said it should never have been reported. Another time, I and dozens of other people were witness to a serious hit and run, and the police had to be encouraged to even turn up. When they did, they refused to arrest the perpetrator, who was hiding in a nearby garden. (Also, the ambulance never turned up, and residents took the victim to hospital). The way the whole incident was reported in the media was simply not what happened. It made me realise that the police and media are in control and if they don't want a crime to be known, they can simply ignore it, no matter how serious. On that note, two skeletal human remains have been found in West Sussex this year, and I bet we won't hear any more about them and they'll be quietly forgotten.
 
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Sorry to be a bit morbid, but adding on to tips, its said it can be a big help to police if you set up an “if I go missing” folder on your computer. You can google for details but apparently it can help them find you faster in case anything does happen. Includes things like recent pictures, photos of things that could help identify you like tattoos or jewellery you wear everyday, address, work addresses, other places you frequent. I can’t remember exactly everything that goes into it but it’s worth having I think!
Oh dear...what a world we live in when we need to do this...
 
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Such a sad case. I imagine it might take a while to know the full extent of this and suspect the trial will be a lengthy one
 
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people are arguing on the local news site, men feeling butt hurt because women are saying they don’t feel safe. What they don’t realise is that physiologically, most men are stronger than women. Not all men, but many are. My dad is tiny, much shorter than I am but he is still much stronger than I will ever be!
I second this. I have experienced attempted grape twice both by people I kind of knew. One of them was a “typical” bigger man size but the other was not. He was about 5’9, skinny and also about 50odd I’d say (hard to tell sometimes with how well black skin ages!). I would never have thought he’d be able to overpower me but despite his size he was SOOO strong (someone said that yardie strength lol) and I couldn’t stop him. Funnily enough I remember not actually being scared (I was very drunk) until this moment - I was fighting like crazy and it was only when he had managed to pull my leggings (WORST PANTS FOR EASY ACCESS!) down to mid thigh, and then I heard him unzip - that I panicked and the realisation hit me that it was going to happen and I couldn’t stop him. Oddly enough after all the fighting I’d done, it was only then that he stopped - when i started crying and mentioned the word grape. He then acted like I was being a stupid girl crying grape when I’d been leading him on.... wtf!

I was just about to say the same. Hes a cop always will be to fellow prisoners and they despise cops. Dont matter what he did he will be targeted. In school i had a male friend whos dad was head chef in a prison and he would tell us all sorts of stories
From prisoners attacking child killers/child rapists and sex offenders. Even though they themselves werent exactly angels and in for drug dealing or stabbing but they drew the line for harming children so cant see them being nice to a cop
I’ve been down some Reddit thread holes before and seen a comment (albeit from an American) that he used to work in a prison and was present for a prison riot. He said by the time they regained control..... some of the things the inmates had done to each other were beyond belief. Horror movie tit. I can imagine tbh given that gang culture before prison and then prison culture both hold a lot of inventive torture tactics etc.
 
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Like everyone else, this has hit me hard. I’m around the same age, only live 5 mins down the road from Clapham, similar job.

Only last year I was on the top deck of a bus in Brixton and a man sat beside me despite it being practically empty, trying to find out my name, what I do etc

I pressed the button to get off and he started following me down the stairs. Once outside he continued walking with me for about 5 minutes despite me saying I wasn’t interested and I had a boyfriend (I bleeping hate the fact we have to even mention or lie about that, like me being single isn’t automatically gonna make me drop my knickers down for you!) He only then ducked off when I lied and said my bf is waiting for me outside 2 mins away and he won’t be happy if he’s there.

Also last year, I regularly went to the gym early in the morning and I would always pass the same group of men, builder types. Every single morning I would get comments and looks, one day I told one of them to duck off as I was at the end of my tether. He then walked up to me and said ‘You know what, you’re the ugliest person I’ve ever met.’ 🙄 His poor ego!!

I also had a stalker when I was 18 who would wait for me every Friday outside uni, write me love letters claiming he’s told his family all about me (he knew duck all about me). It came to a head when he wouldn’t let me on a train to get away until I pushed him off me. I was shocked that no one on the platform tried to help! I called the police who actually took it seriously and gave him a restraining order.

It’s honestly so exhausting.
 
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Surely there would have been signs of this in work. If his line manager/colleagues suspected something or noticed unusual behaviour then it would have been dealt with immediately given his access to firearms?
Seems he exposed himself in a fast food restaurant three days prior to the murder, on film, but the incident wasn't 'escalated to command' or some such dumb bureaucratic rit, so he was able to continue work instead of being suspended. Apparently he'd been behaving 'erratically' in the past few days. I think it's possible he knew the incident in the eaterie would effectively end his big old police career and get him a criminal record and place on the sex offender registry and decided to escalate to something far far worse as a last hurrah. People who crave control pathologically and then lose it often unravel very fast.

I also share the belief that this tit is not his first rodeo. Obviously there was the indecent exposure just before but I will bet you he's done some dark tit before and got away with it or has a history of domestic violence, controlling behavior or other forms of abuse within the household or past relationships, which is where the vast bulk of male on female violence and murder actually occurs. Nobody that age suddenly blossoms into a smooth kidnapper and murderer first time out. Usually they've escalated from more minor sexual and violent offences. The guy who murdered the female student in Hull had a history of offences going back to when he was still living in Poland, and was already in prison for a string of other sexual offences starting with masturbating while spying on women through their windows, and escalating to breaking into student houses and stealing women's underwear and sex toys, then standing in the street openly masturbating, when he came to trial for Libbie Squire's murder. That night he was driving around specifically looking for a woman vulnerable enough to be able to get in his car and grape. I'll note this weirdo was also another with a wife and two kids, a 'respectable' Mr. Normal with a proper job and family, blah blah. I don't know why people think these things make you less likely to be a fuckhead.

I saw someone question his wife's possible role in it all. I suspect it'll be the usual helping dispose of a body or other evidence such as the victim's clothing, trying to mislead police by lying for him when questioned, or something of that nature. I don't want to think there's another Rose West or Karla Homolka around. I think it's most likely this epic shitbag did it alone, then panicked and confessed to his wife, and demanded help etc etc. Probably cried like a bleeping weasel too. I never understand why anyone would help a guy who killed a woman. I'd turn on my own family or a partner in a heartbeat if they confessed to this kind of tit.

I think the head injury was him banging his head against the cell wall to try to off himself. He will know where he's going, and for how long, and as a former police officer and sex offender, he knows how hard his life will be inside. No-one likes a rozzer turned bad outside or inside.

I know these kind of offences are rare, in fact rarer than they used to be (70s and 80s were much worse in terms of stranger murders and sex crimes). What freaks me out in this case is the fact it was a copper and it is highly likely that status was what enabled him to get close enough to Sarah to hurt her. That is utterly chilling. I'll note the Garden State Killer (13 known murders, 50 rapes and 100+ home invasions involving grape and violence)over the course of 10 years) in the USA was actually a former police officer who committed some of his crimes during his short police career and many more after he was kicked out the force for shoplifting. He also had a very dark past involving animal abuse and burglary as a teenage juvenile alongside a history of witnessing and experiencing childhood sexual abuse and should never have been given a position of authority to begin with.
 
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Websleuths are mostly talking about the indecent exposure charge and the wife’s involvement. The main theory which sounds very plausible to me, is that he might’ve just said something to his wife like “can you say I was home at X time on Y date, it will save my job” and she went along with it, not realising it was something so huge. Once she realised she might’ve cooperated with the police and hence was released on bail. Of course there’s the possibility of abuse too.
In terms of the indecent exposure, I find things like that slip under the radar all the time in London. A lot of people are minding their own business, heads down, earphones in, don’t even notice anything happened. This time last year, just before the pandemic hit I was heading to stansted early in the morning. I took a bus from the city centre to Tottenham Hale station, a man sat down in a seat facing the opposite direction to me and began to stare at me the entire journey. When I got to the station he followed me in, all the way to the platform. I went into a seated area thinking it would be safer because there were 10-15 people inside but he followed me in, shouted very graphic abusive/sexual things at me, and eventually spat at me two or three times. And it went on until he eventually left of his own accord after maybe about 15 minutes of that, though it felt like an eternity, and I was terrified as to how far he would follow me. No one asked if I was okay or checked on me, or said anything to him. Lots of people just don’t want to get involved.
I’ve got 2 stories on transport (London tube)

1 I was once on there and there were 2girls sitting opposite me, one hada huge handbag that she was holding infront of her. I can’t remember if I noticed first, or didn’t notice until the man next to me told her, but there was this big... “bit” of gunk on her bag. She got tissues and wiped it but it was one of those situations where none of us wanted to voice it, but we ALL knew what that gunk was....

2. I got chatted up once by a dude working for London transport police - when i asked what kinda things his job involves (as I imagined its be quite boring most of the time) he told me “well I caught a paedophile the other day” obvs I was like 😱 and he told me basically some sicko had wanked himself off on the tube behind a yr7 girl on her way home from school, spunked on her skirt which she didn’t notice till she got home and her dad was like WTF is that. (As before... we all know what that gunk is!) they called the police did dna swabs and linked it to a known sex offender

An MP read out all the names of women who have been killed in the last year in these sorts of situations and it’s over 5 minutes worth! You just wouldn’t even think about it with lockdown (domestic violence yes but not walking in the street)
Prob is with lockdown the streets are emptier, there are plenty of people breaking rules and going out and so I feel there’s almost more opportunity for them to be attacked as less people about to help them.
 
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I saw this being reshared yesterday; 7 years ago officers in the same diplomatic protection unit were investigated for sharing extreme pornography amongst themselves. Those officers were sacked (not charged) and I guess this suspect wasn't involved, but this is what we mean by grape culture; its everywhere, including the met.
 
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