I wonder if Grandad knows his son is a drunk, gambler and thief as well as a wife-beater and child killer.
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I wonder if any of the other children were being abused.
I’d say yes.
I hope to goodness US doesn't take after his father. I really, truly hope the children are being well looked after and that US is not representative of his family. I have my doubts however, because his brother is also in the dock and the grandfather clearly harboured them when they were on the run
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In this BBC article it says the following:
Sara Sharif's father 'threatened to kill ex-partners', court hears
Three former partners accuse Urfan Sharif of threats to kill and false imprisonment since 2004.www.bbc.co.uk
Why on earth was she allowed back in his care? Poor Sara it’s like she didn’t stand a chance. Truly heartbreaking to think at some stage she was safe in FC.
Very sinister with his apparent targeting of Polish women in particular.
"In 2011, while still married to Olga, Mr Sharif accepted that he became engaged in an Islamic ceremony to his cousin in Pakistan.
The following May, Olga became pregnant with Sara. The jury heard that as soon as Sara was born she was made the subject of a child protection plan."
Two significant things in as many sentences.
He can have 4 wives though.
It seems BB was hanging around from at least 2014, so aged 18/19?
But can he in the UK?
Islamic weddings. He can have 4 Islamic weddings in the UK or anywhere, but it wouldn’t give a spouse visa to a wife abroad.
He can only have 4 wives if all the wives are in agreement with the arrangement which i doubt they did. His dad probably knows fine well he's a drinker and gambler. God I feel sick after today's reading.
I reckon BB knew and agreed. It wouldn’t matter if Olga agreed because she’s not Muslim anyway. He hasn’t legally married BB they keep calling her Ms Batool.
He can as long as he only has Islamic marriages to the final 3 as these marriages aren't legally binding in UK law as far as I'm aware.
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It would still matter in the eyes of religion as Muslim men are permitted to marry Christian women, so he has went against even his own religion doing that. The women mostly do not change their names when getting married, they usually keep their fathers name.
She might have agreed though, we don’t know. Was it engagement or marriage? She was in Pakistan so unless he visited her at some stage, it wasn’t much of a marriage. Olga could have only been a legal marriage
I'm feeling utterly sick after today, I truly thought that it was completely plausible that he could be working all hrs of the day and not actually seen how much Sara was being injured. I thought the note he left with her showed that he at least had some guilt but it was a plan from BB and not indicative of any remorse. I thought he maybe felt bad and that's why he called the police from Pakistan but its prob cos batools family knew and they'd probably eventually call the police.
This guy is a monster and I feel so so stupid for having given him the benefit of the doubt and that was mostly driven by batools refusal to give dental impressions. He seen her with black eyes and marks, he shook one other kid and that's only scratching the surface after reading of his past behaviour. Sara didn't stand a chance with these people. It's awful.
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This guy is a monster and I feel so so stupid for having given him the benefit of the doubt and that was mostly driven by batools refusal to give dental impressions. He seen her with black eyes and marks, he shook one other kid and that's only scratching the surface after reading of his past behaviour. Sara didn't stand a chance with these people. It's awful.
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Whatever the case with the marriages its all a horrible mess, cousins getting engaged and tit, completely ducked up and all just done to gain or to give passage into the UK. A total sham and this kind of stuff needs to be regulated more closely.She might have agreed though, we don’t know. Was it engagement or marriage? She was in Pakistan so unless he visited her at some stage, it wasn’t much of a marriage. Olga could have only been a legal marriage
Poor Sara had such an unhappy 10 years. From earlier reports, it seems that the relationship between Olga and US was mutually abusive. And there must have been concerns about his behaviour towards the children because it was reported that he initially had supervised contact with the children whilst Olga had physical custody. Then something happened with Olga which must have been serious for them to remove the children from her custody and return them to US given the background of his behaviour.
Then she ends up being with an abusive US, who is joined in his cruelty by BB and latterly by FM. Every single adult who was supposed to look after her, not only let her down, but also violently abused her. Poor girl. So much suffering with no respite. My heart truly bleeds for her.
Then she ends up being with an abusive US, who is joined in his cruelty by BB and latterly by FM. Every single adult who was supposed to look after her, not only let her down, but also violently abused her. Poor girl. So much suffering with no respite. My heart truly bleeds for her.
More information here about this rum bag. He had a history of assaulting a 1 month old baby, and sadly burning children with irons an injury poor Sara also had. In another article it was stated that he started a “relationship” with a 15 year old polish girl he went on to abuse. It just gets worse.
More information about olga here to, stating that SS were worried she was extremely vulnerable as had possible learning difficulties and likely to be exploited. She had no chance against someone like him who just manipulated her into marriage and children so he could have a right to stay in the UK.
I think the worst thing is female Social Services have documented that they felt abused by him!!! But they then agreed to put innocent children back into his care. I do think this is one of those times that Social services really do hold a lot of blame here. There was so much evidence against him and signs Sara was terrified of him as a baby.
More information about olga here to, stating that SS were worried she was extremely vulnerable as had possible learning difficulties and likely to be exploited. She had no chance against someone like him who just manipulated her into marriage and children so he could have a right to stay in the UK.
I think the worst thing is female Social Services have documented that they felt abused by him!!! But they then agreed to put innocent children back into his care. I do think this is one of those times that Social services really do hold a lot of blame here. There was so much evidence against him and signs Sara was terrified of him as a baby.
I used to practice family law and I can only imagine what an extremely difficult client US would be for his legal team. I can imagine him being really inconsistent, changing his instructions frequently and evading important questions. I acted for a man similar to this years ago and he portrayed himself as a victim of DV, when it was absolutely clear he was in fact the perpetrator. It was really difficult to act for him. Based solely on what we've heard in the press, I don't believe US whatsoever. I think he's a manipulative, lying excuse of a human being.
Will be interesting to see if BB gives evidence. For the record, I believe she's equally as culpable.
Will be interesting to see if BB gives evidence. For the record, I believe she's equally as culpable.
Yeah and also The Times today reported:
"The father of Sara Sharif allegedly hit two children and physically abused three girlfriends before the death of his ten-year-old daughter, a court has been told.
Urfan Sharif, 42, had been arrested after three “separate, unconnected” Polish women reported him to the police for controlling behaviour and holding them against their will, the jury was told."
I admit my bias as I'm a survivor of DV and I don't really like men much with a few notable exceptions, but my view is that US is an abusive c-nt and he's trying to play the poor widdle victim of DV now because his barrister told him it would play well in court.
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Yeah I wonder if it wasn't so much Polish women per se as women who maybe hadn't achieved British citizenship yet so he know they'd be vulnerable and maybe extra fearful of leaving him as no fixed abode / no family ties makes it easier to be refused citizenship.Sara Sharif's father 'threatened to kill ex-partners', court hears
Three former partners accuse Urfan Sharif of threats to kill and false imprisonment since 2004.
Very sinister with his apparent targeting of Polish women in particular.
Another possibility is that the Polish women were trafficked women, the central and eastern europe pipeline of trafficking vitims to the UK is very big and active.
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Ultimately, in these very conservative religious society, loyalty is tribal and loyalty will be to the family over law enforcement. It's sad but true. Same with multiple wives, if you are following the edicts of The Prophet correctly your wives have to agree to the polygamous arrangement, in practice, they are never asked.
It's also common for the more 'junior' / newer wives to be bullied/abused by the senior one. And daughters in law get treated like rit very often. Refuge the DV charity has said that in the UK this is exacerbated in immigrant communities eg Pakistani community in UK because the women often don't have good English so can't get help.
That's the problem with conservative relious culture (I come from one myself) - it's rife with abuse of women because they are not empowered or able to speak up. Especially if you think about insular immigrant communities in the UK, they may believe they have good reason not to trust the British authorities (police, SS) so that acts as another barrier to seeking help. Same with trafficked women from Eastern Europe.
It's a massive, massive problem going on just below the sightline of mainstream society. And it's kind of taboo to discuss cos it gets seized on by racists with their own agendas. I reckon that when all the details of this case are made known, it will become a public debate that we have to have. And that in itself would be one good thing to come out of this horror, I suppose.
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I did suspect that Olga couldn’t keep the children “safe” somehow and that’s how they came back with US. He’s an absolute b and jail is going to be hell for him.
Yes, I’m trying to be careful with my words here but I do suspect that she was forced or found herself in a line of “work” or lifestyle that wasn’t conducive to caring for young children and so US was seen as the lesser of the two evils.
My suspicion would also fit with the report that said that Sara was behaving in a potentially sexually suggestive way to some older boys.
I'm not sure jail will be hell for him.
He is an intimidating, violent person, he will probably be aggressive in prison instead of meek and contrite, which means he'll be less of a target.
There is a very large number of Muslim men in prison too, and he will probably join a gang of them.
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