Sara Sharif case

[moldwarp]

I'm not sure jail will be hell for him.

He is an intimidating, violent person, he will probably be aggressive in prison instead of meek and contrite, which means he'll be less of a target.

There is a very large number of Muslim men in prison too, and he will probably join a gang of them.

Not a 'gang' necessarily but it's well known that UK prisons have for a long time been a key place where moderate/non-observant Muslims get radicalised, and non-Muslims converted and radicalised. If US plays a clever game he might be able to paint himself as a murtadd who's now seen the light and thus have a group to protect him.

Having said that, child-killers are not popular in prison no matter the colour or creed of the other inmates. I think he'll be on seg, and hopefully very miserable and terrified of being caught out without an entertainer.

Yesterday in court Batool's barrister completely destroyed US's claims that he was never at home. When he spooled out his lies, the numbnut forgot that his mobile phone records location data.

 

[HotesTilaire]

He will be on seg, alone, and scared of that moment he is not alone. An absolute trash bag, no redeeming features.
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Sara Sharif: Jury shown video of father slapping girl

The home video was filmed less than 13 months before Sara was found dead with multiple injuries.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lizzie Mintdrop]

I've seen lots of people saying, on various parts of the internet, that they think BB was the instigator of the more torturous elements of Sara's abuse. I think it's becoming clear how untrue that is.

I feel so sad that Sara didn't have anyone who cared for her, the poor girl only knew abusers. Her short life must have been so painful.

 

[Spidey2020]

Sara’s mother is not on trial so we won’t know if the allegations US made against were founded. I’m sure there will be a separate review of the many, many times this poor girl was failed by those supposed to protect her.

It is especially sadistic that he went to the effort of getting her back only to inflict this on her. My feelings are it was about control than love.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Oh yes, of course the Social Worker fabricated facts about what Sara said, and about him being a domestic abuser.

The jury may as well just go home now!

ducks sake. That poor girl was not safe for a single moment in their ‘care’.

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

And now there’s evidence of SS dropping the ball - school reporting bruises on a kid and this is the background on file, but they closed the case?

But the defence will still be overworked and underpaid and that specific team having hundreds of kids on their file at more risk and Sara’s death wasn’t foreseeable. I’m not sure how bad it has to be for people to be allowed to actually criticise them at this point.

I also find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe they had many kids on their files at more risk than a child with those bruises and that background being pulled out of school especially with the added risk in this case of them fleeing the country to escape scrutiny (I mean fleeing with the children) which likely wouldn’t be present in many other concern cases - it is clearly more likely that people with a known large support network in another country would flee there than a family who do not have that to flee to.

When all of that doesn’t get serious action, something is terribly wrong with the risk assessment process.

 

[HotesTilaire]

But the defence will still be overworked and underpaid and that specific team having hundreds of kids on their file at more risk and Sara’s death wasn’t foreseeable. I’m not sure how bad it has to be for people to be allowed to actually criticise them at this point.

I also find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe they had many kids on their files at more risk than a child with those bruises and that background being pulled out of school especially with the added risk in this case of them fleeing the country to escape scrutiny (I mean fleeing with the children) which likely wouldn’t be present in many other concern cases - it is clearly more likely that people with a known large support network in another country would flee there than a family who do not have that to flee to.

When all of that doesn’t get serious action, something is terribly wrong with the risk assessment process.

Well we should start a thread on the Case Review

 

[iieee]

I had a feeling the whole story would spin on cross examination. I hope they all go down.

 

[HotesTilaire]

I had a feeling the whole story would spin on cross examination. I hope they all go down.

I did think it was going to be back and forth but there’s just….so much coming out. I now think the other kids are safer in Pakistan, still should be returned to the UK though. Being in that house must have just been awful.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I didn’t imagine all of this violent and abusive history he’d have. It’s just awful.

 

[Spidey2020]

I did think it was going to be back and forth but there’s just….so much coming out. I now think the other kids are safer in Pakistan, still should be returned to the UK though. Being in that house must have just been awful.

If US is not a product of his upbringing and his father is a responsible person he could make a good argument that social services failed one child so why hand over the others?

 

[HotesTilaire]

If US is not a product of his upbringing and his father is a responsible person he could make a good argument that social services failed one child so why hand over the others?

I think it’s a diplomatic issue. The kids are British citizens, especially the oldest boy is in school, they have only ever lived in the UK.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

But the defence will still be overworked and underpaid and that specific team having hundreds of kids on their file at more risk and Sara’s death wasn’t foreseeable. I’m not sure how bad it has to be for people to be allowed to actually criticise them at this point.

I also find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe they had many kids on their files at more risk than a child with those bruises and that background being pulled out of school especially with the added risk in this case of them fleeing the country to escape scrutiny (I mean fleeing with the children) which likely wouldn’t be present in many other concern cases - it is clearly more likely that people with a known large support network in another country would flee there than a family who do not have that to flee to.

When all of that doesn’t get serious action, something is terribly wrong with the risk assessment process.

I'm not defending the social workers in this case who seems to have closed the file after the report from the school. Far from it, this does sound like really tit decision making. But in the last couple of weeks in my education linked non-social work role I've had a teen boy and then his siblings put under a forced marriage protection order and taken into care along, a family moved out of an area due to the risk of life to a parent and then various kids involved in gangs and wandering around with machetes. Before half term a family where kids are going unfed because mum is at the hospital with their poorly newborn while dad is out scoring crack. There are sadly far too many children living absolutely terrible lives. In a good local authority social workers have large but not unmanageable caseloads and supportive and responsive managers. In bad departments social workers are overloaded, managers are either too busy firefighting or don't care. Good social workers leave and the crappy ones stay because they don't get challenged or know they couldn't stay employed elsewhere. There are tit social workers and tit social work managers. Some I wouldn't trust with a pet rock. Surrey children's Services got a not good inspection in 2022, every aspect was requires improvement, this was an improvement on previous inspections where they were inadequate in different areas. Lots of agency workers, high staff turnover. It sounds similar to a lot of other failing social services departments although not as bad as Bradford was

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

I'm not defending the social workers in this case who seems to have closed the file after the report from the school. Far from it, this does sound like really tit decision making. But in the last couple of weeks in my education linked non-social work role I've had a teen boy and then his siblings put under a forced marriage protection order and taken into care along, a family moved out of an area due to the risk of life to a parent and then various kids involved in gangs and wandering around with machetes. Before half term a family where kids are going unfed because mum is at the hospital with their poorly newborn while dad is out scoring crack. There are sadly far too many children living absolutely terrible lives. In a good local authority social workers have large but not unmanageable caseloads and supportive and responsive managers. In bad departments social workers are overloaded, managers are either too busy firefighting or don't care. Good social workers leave and the crappy ones stay because they don't get challenged or know they couldn't stay employed elsewhere. There are tit social workers and tit social work managers. Some I wouldn't trust with a pet rock. Surrey children's Services got a not good inspection in 2022, every aspect was requires improvement, this was an improvement on previous inspections where they were inadequate in different areas. Lots of agency workers, high staff turnover. It sounds similar to a lot of other failing social services departments although not as bad as Bradford was

Totally agree with that but when I said upthread there were some tit social workers I was told there couldn’t be because it’s so badly paid it’s a vocation and every social worker some posters had known had been good. Which isn’t the first time I’ve been told similar when I’ve said there are some bad ones.

In reality, like any jobs there are tit workers along with other stressors and talking about that should be allowed (and needs to be allowed or how do you fix it?).

 

[flap a doodle dandy]

Well we should start a thread on the Case Review

Should call it 'lessons will be learnt'' as it seems to be all that gets bandied about after these type of cases. Lessons seem to be the last thing that get learnt as it feels like there are more and more abusers and more cases where the children should have been prioritised and removed.

 

[HotesTilaire]

Should call it 'lessons will be learnt'' as it seems to be all that gets bandied about after these type of cases. Lessons seem to be the last thing that get learnt as it feels like there are more and more abusers and more cases where the children should have been prioritised and removed.

Call it whatever you like, this thread is about the trial of US, BB and FM

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

TBF this thread is about the case generally so SS’s failings in the case are relevant, the thread was started well before the trial.

 

[Pinklobster]

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.arc...if-father-attacked-women-burned-children.html

More information here about this rum bag. He had a history of assaulting a 1 month old baby, and sadly burning children with irons an injury poor Sara also had. In another article it was stated that he started a “relationship” with a 15 year old polish girl he went on to abuse. It just gets worse.
More information about olga here to, stating that SS were worried she was extremely vulnerable as had possible learning difficulties and likely to be exploited. She had no chance against someone like him who just manipulated her into marriage and children so he could have a right to stay in the UK.
I think the worst thing is female Social Services have documented that they felt abused by him!!! But they then agreed to put innocent children back into his care. I do think this is one of those times that Social services really do hold a lot of blame here. There was so much evidence against him and signs Sara was terrified of him as a baby.

The only thing wrong with this is that it is a judge who makes the decision whether to remove/return children, not the social workers. Clearly a terrible decision, with tragic consequences

 

[Spidey2020]

I think it’s a diplomatic issue. The kids are British citizens, especially the oldest boy is in school, they have only ever lived in the UK.

Oh I understand why from a legal standpoint. I was more referring to the emotional response of the grandparents.

 

[Mrsell]

I'm not sure jail will be hell for him.

He is an intimidating, violent person, he will probably be aggressive in prison instead of meek and contrite, which means he'll be less of a target.

There is a very large number of Muslim men in prison too, and he will probably join a gang of them.

He killed a child. He will be bottom of the barrel with the onces. Being aggressive and violent to vulnerable women and children is one thing, let's see how he manages with the big boys. I fully expect it will be a sugar water bath for him