Sara Sharif case

[InTheDollsHouse]

I bought this set of books as a younger mum yet have never once read any of them, I just couldn't venture into them.
I think they're still in my attic.

It’s such a hard read. I read it in my late teens and it’s stayed with me.
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Exactly. Anything and everything that went wrong was her fault.
I really wonder what goes through the mind of the abusers of kids like Star, Arthur, Peter, Sara, do they not think they will go too far? They know they have to hide it from Social Workers, so on some level they know it’s a problem. Do they get bolder the more they hurt the kid, and the kid doesn’t die?

I think the abusers are on such a power trip that they don’t for a second think anything will get in their way. They don’t consider that they may lose control - of the child, or of the entire situation. The child dying is not in their mind because that would ruin their plan.

 

[Pavement1979]

An hour until we find out if BB is going to give evidence.

I admit I am a bit confused - is it just defendant's who get to decline giving evidence? I am a witness (for the prosecution) in a Crown Court case in March 2025 and as far as I can tell it isn't optional. I could be compelled by the court to give evidence if I was trying to decline?

 

[Boogs]

The defendant doesn’t have to give evidence. It’s down to the prosecution to prove their guilt not for them to give evidence to prove their innocence. I’m sure after the tit show that was his evidence her counsel will be thinking hard about whether her voice will make things worse.

 

[Lizzie Mintdrop]

The defendant doesn’t have to give evidence. It’s down to the prosecution to prove their guilt not for them to give evidence to prove their innocence. I’m sure after the tit show that was his evidence her counsel will be thinking hard about whether her voice will make things worse.

His counsel shouldn't have put him up on the stand, he's done the prosecution's case for them

 

[Boogs]

His counsel shouldn't have put him up on the stand, he's done the prosecution's case for them

Must admit I was surprised they did but I suspect he wanted to give evidence as he thought he was could gaslight his way out of this.

 

[moldwarp]

A Child Called It is a bit of an unfortunate comparison as Dave Peltzer has since been exposed as lying about vast chunks of his book. He's also been caught bang to rights lying about a number of things: he said the book was a Pulitzer nominee when it wasn't, he said he was a firefighter when he wasn't, he said that the state of California had officially classed his case as being the 'third worst case of child abuse ever seen' when they hadn't (I mean, wtf would anyone rank child abuse cases like they're K-pop bands lol).

He's also a clearly pretty wild guy, he used to make a lot of money from public speaking until he eventually got less popular due to reports of him making wild misogynistic statements and weird jokes onstage.

Anyway, sorry for the derail, I just think his book cheapents the experiences of children who really do suffer this stuff.

If you're iterested in the controversy about how much (if any) of his account is true and the various exposes done over the years, his wikipedia page is actually a good place to start cos it points you to other sources, artiles and reviews.

 

[Lizzie Mintdrop]

A Child Called It is a bit of an unfortunate comparison as Dave Peltzer has since been exposed as lying about vast chunks of his book. He's also been caught bang to rights lying about a number of things: he said the book was a Pulitzer nominee when it wasn't, he said he was a firefighter when he wasn't, he said that the state of California had officially classed his case as being the 'third worst case of child abuse ever seen' when they hadn't (I mean, wtf would anyone rank child abuse cases like they're K-pop bands lol).

He's also a clearly pretty wild guy, he used to make a lot of money from public speaking until he eventually got less popular due to reports of him making wild misogynistic statements and weird jokes onstage.

Anyway, sorry for the derail, I just think his book cheapents the experiences of children who really do suffer this stuff.

If you're iterested in the controversy about how much (if any) of his account is true and the various exposes done over the years, his wikipedia page is actually a good place to start cos it points you to other sources, artiles and reviews.

Oh, I know his book was bull but my comment wasn't really about him, it was about believing that no one could do that to a child

 

[2ofeach]

Sara Sharif’s stepmother and uncle will not give evidence – Court News UK

courtnewsuk.co.uk

They aren't giving evidence!

 

[crazycakelady]

guys cowards to the end this has made me more angry

 

[moldwarp]

guys cowards to the end this has made me more angry

I can see why their barristers made that decision tho. Cos the jury will be left with Sharif’s confession of responsibility ringing in their ears. This is a big win for the other two and so they’ve got nothing to gain by taking the stand and everything to lose

 

[Mollywobbles]

Sara Sharif’s stepmother and uncle will not give evidence – Court News UK

courtnewsuk.co.uk

They aren't giving evidence!

I don’t think they need to. They would only lie but I am sure the judge and jury have seen through them.
I’m not sure I can cope with any more horrific evidence and I am sure the jury are traumatised enough.

 

[2ofeach]

guys cowards to the end this has made me more angry

I wanted her to stand in the dock & speak aloud of Saras injuries, her excuses to how Sara died during the 'incident'.
She can piss off, evil witch.

Are any Tattlers attending the court do we know?
I know a few Tattlers attended Letbys case & stayed away from the thread during the trial.

 

[Pavement1979]

Even if they aren't giving their account they can't get away from facts that can be causing or allowing the death of a child
1. They abandoned a child who had died
2. They absconded from the country
3. They didn't report the abuse or seek medical advice for a child who was severely injured
4. They didn't take any responsibility with a Not Guilty plea

Surely this means they will face some form of punishment?

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

They’d only lie. It would be a waste of everyone's time and would add nothing to the trial itself. It would be a case of arguing over Sara’s murder, tit flinging and avoidance.

They cannot deny that they knew.
They cannot deny that they fled.
She cannot explain any other reason for refusing dental impressions.
He cannot explain any other reason for throwing away his uniform.

Let the jury get on with it.

 

[Lizzie Mintdrop]

I think the uncle might get off but BB will get coadoac. They all deserve to get full life sentences though

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I think I missed that he said he was lying about her

Also, by not taking the stand, the jury can be directed to assume that infers guilt because the defendant can’t offer anything that would be of benefit to him/her.

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I think the uncle will get Causing or Allowing Death, BB will get guilty of Murder along with US, but BB’s sentence won’t be whole life.

If BB only gets C/AD she will have a longer sentence than FM.

 

[ThisIsMyDragName]

I’ve tried to follow along but I feel like I’m missing something, has the prosecution done anything more than the opening statement yet? Have they quizzed US? Will they get to quiz BB and the uncle? (Forgot his name but none of them deserve their names anyway). What happens next?

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

I think I missed that he said he was lying about her

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Also, by not taking the stand, the jury can be directed to assume that infers guilt because the defendant can’t offer anything that would be of benefit to him/her.

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I think the uncle will get Causing or Allowing Death, BB will get guilty of Murder along with US, but BB’s sentence won’t be whole life.

If BB only gets C/AD she will have a longer sentence than FM.

I really hope if the uncle gets C/AD (as he should) the police will consider asking the CPS to allow charges for BB’s sister on the same things. She unquestionably knew exactly what was going on (even if she may have been misled as to US being the sole perpetrator) and likely saw more of the physical evidence via bruising than the uncle would have.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I really hope if the uncle gets C/AD (as he should) the police will consider asking the CPS to allow charges for BB’s sister on the same things. She unquestionably knew exactly what was going on (even if she may have been misled as to US being the sole perpetrator) and likely saw more of the physical evidence via bruising than the uncle would have.

Yes! They’ve presented that as evidence in the trial, and it hasn’t been disputed, so she absolutely should be held accountable for that. I also think if she has children, SS should be involved as someone who thinks that level of abuse is okay should be checked up on.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

I’ve tried to follow along but I feel like I’m missing something, has the prosecution done anything more than the opening statement yet? Have they quizzed US? Will they get to quiz BB and the uncle? (Forgot his name but none of them deserve their names anyway). What happens next?

As BB and uncle aren't giving evidence in their defense they won't be cross examined by the prosecution. US was questioned by the prosecution and BB and uncles barristers last Thursday and Friday. Wednesday will be summing up by prosecution and the 3 defences and then judge will also make comments to consider when the jury deliberate.